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EAR= Email Assistance Required. 

 

"the behike are a case in point. 2010 Behike on the secondary appear to comand a 20% premium on say a 2012. Is this generally the case with first releases? The Cohiba Siglo VI from 2003 is another example.  Were both cigars any better than the production year following or is it all a case of hype?  You made a comment last week on 2014 H. Upmann Number 2 which are now being chased down by all of my cigar circle. Hype again, urban legend? any other tips? " 

 

Good one to kick around. :ok:

 

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2 hours ago, NSXCIGAR said:

Those examples are very special cases. OR BHK, 03 VI, TEB Boli, 14 HU 2, 12 Lanceros, OR RAS or 15-16 BCG are all one-offs that are very unique. If you know CCs you know what they are.

Can members think of any other examples?

01 and 03 SLRDC come to mind. Same years in Sir Winston. 

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08 I thought was a good year for RASS, D4 and the now discontinued punch RS12. Admittedly not had many of the RS12 outside of the 04-08 years. 
 

I generally go by 04, 08, 12-14, and 20-23 as decent eras within the last 20 years. 
 

Chasing at premium prices? That’s a rich man’s game. People with money will chase what they want. If the right buyer was lined up to see your OR BHK then you’d make a pretty penny. If the right buyers weren’t looking it’d pass in or sell much lower than you’re expecting. 

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'03 had a lot of great stuff of bye gone cigars like Monarch's and the LGC's.  Finding any box code of them is a premium.  I don't put a premium on aged cigars.  That's what I bought an Aristocrat for.  I'd buy aged cigars at the same price if the vendor gave them a thumbs up.  A little mold never bothered me. 

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2 hours ago, El Presidente said:

Can members think of any other examples?

Original 2017 release QdO No 50 come to mind as a recent example that fits the criteria. I have a few left from a BRO NOV 17 box that are the top No 50 I've ever had, and I know a lot of others feel the same. It seems like even though 19-22 were a few crushing years for all CCs, those 17s are pure class

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Not sure it’s relevant, but I have heard people reference 2003 HdM DD. I have had plenty of 2003 DD and smoked a 50 cab and the cigars were arguably very good but I can’t say I would outright chase them like a wine collector might. I have also smoked a few boxes of LUB 14 HU2, a box code people swear by. I smoke alot of HU2s and again I would not disagree they were fantastic boxes but not like your eyes are going to roll back in your head.  I also have a box of HU2 Reservas. Those will make your eyes roll back in your head. 

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I had a cab of RASS ’06 that was stunning. 

My stash isn’t as wide or old as many but I have to say the ’14 Siglo IV and MC#2 were up there with the best I’ve owned. I’ve had mixed luck buying aged stock and for quite a while I’ve bought and hoarded good quality regular production. Given the current price increases from Cuba I think the risk of chasing high end aged cigars Is significant.

 

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I’m not chasing aged, but at this point the new production is at an aged pricing anyway. 2014 was a great year. And any bolivar MSU ‘18 and ‘19 are stellar. 

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For me, personally, I don’t pay a premium for aged cigars. Don’t have the money to do so, but even if I did I wouldn’t. I have been fortunate enough to have smoked quite a few highly aged (more than 30 years) cigars and countless out of my own stash between 5 and 15 years. I just don’t think the gains are worth paying a premium for. This might be because I’m too poor and care about value. 
Also, I’ve found that many aged cigars aren’t even better to my palate, just different. Going through a box at intervals and smoking them all when they taste best is most enjoyable to me 

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BRC and BPC MSU 2018 - not so aged but exceptionally good

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2 hours ago, Chibearsv said:

BRC and BPC MSU 2018 - not so aged but exceptionally good

Ooo I have a box of dark oily Feb 2018 MSU BPC’s, I’ll have to finally crack it open! 

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16 minutes ago, Kaptain Karl said:

Ooo I have a box of dark oily Feb 2018 MSU BPC’s, I’ll have to finally crack it open! 

You will be rewarded. 

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1 hour ago, Kaptain Karl said:

Ooo I have a box of dark oily Feb 2018 MSU BPC’s, I’ll have to finally crack it open! 

They suck. I'll dm my address

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17 hours ago, Ford2112 said:

They suck. I'll dm my address

Short trip for them down there! I’d be happy to make a trade! 

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1 hour ago, Kaptain Karl said:

Short trip for them down there! I’d be happy to make a trade! 

I went through around 6 boxes of those faster than Grant took Richmond, not knowing that cigarmegeddon was coming. I also stocked up on the TUA Boli from '21.

If they put a red dot on them, so much the better!

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On 6/1/2023 at 9:38 PM, El Presidente said:

Can members think of any other examples?

@JohnS has a magic year for Hoyo des Dieux, I forget the year. Somewhere between 2003 and discontinuation.

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On 6/1/2023 at 6:38 PM, El Presidente said:

Can members think of any other examples?

01 and 03 SLRDC come to mind. Same years in Sir Winston. 

05 PSP2?  I remember some pricey boxes on BR…because I bought one 😆

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19 hours ago, KCCubano said:

Ramone Allones 898

61-02? :lol3:

I actually heard the later ones weren't great although that might have been due to the general 99-01 malaise. 

2 hours ago, Bijan said:

@JohnS has a magic year for Hoyo des Dieux, I forget the year. Somewhere between 2003 and discontinuation.

Yes, that's another one. Was generously gifted one around festival time in Cuba. Just delightful. Still flavorsome and has just become extraordinarily refined and gentle. 

On 6/2/2023 at 4:19 PM, Chibearsv said:

BRC and BPC MSU 2018 - not so aged but exceptionally good

I wisely picked up a box of MSU 19 BPC a few months ago. Best BPC I've had in 20 years. Very special but I'm not sure regular fans of BPC will like it. These don't have that strong leather/burnt coffee thing going on. Much more like a great BCJ. 

I went to grab another box this week but could only find MSU NOV 18. Sounds like I'll be fine. 

1 hour ago, Digi said:

05 PSP2?  I remember some pricey boxes on BR…because I bought one 😆

Yes, I believe the OR P2 was very highly regarded particularly since it never regained those heights for most of the next decade. Not sure if they were truly great or they were just being compared to what came after. 

On 6/2/2023 at 4:32 AM, Perla said:

SdO No 3

What's that? You mean LGC MdO No. 3 or Party SdC No. 3?

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