Bijan Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 https://halfwheel.com/another-u-s-senate-bill-seeks-massive-federal-tax-increase-on-cigars-other-tobacco-products/392883/ ANOTHER U.S. SENATE BILL SEEKS MASSIVE FEDERAL TAX INCREASE ON CIGARS, OTHER TOBACCO PRODUCTS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shippers Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 Quote to a weight-based system of $49.56 per pound and no less than 10.066 cents per cigar. I know it is the thin end of the wedge but how I would love to have that tax rate in the UK. But then I am grateful not to have the AUS rate... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevrknow Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 Another reason for me to quit cigs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Vitola Corleone Posted April 23, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 23, 2021 Seems relevant to the NC consumers in the US. US CC consumers are not paying US taxes. 4 hours ago, Nevrknow said: Another reason for me to quit cigs. Glass half full: Another reason to shift 100% to habanos 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frozen North Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 Canada’s brutal rates top them all 😡 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post LLC Posted April 24, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 24, 2021 Government and politicians are like crack addicts and tax revenue is their fix. Pathetic. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Kaptain Karl Posted April 24, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 24, 2021 4 hours ago, LLC said: Government and politicians are like crack addicts and tax revenue is their fix. Pathetic. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Yup true that. We’re gonna be hearing this a lot for the next 21 months🙄🙄🙄 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vitola Corleone Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 2 hours ago, Kaptain Karl said: Yup true that. We’re gonna be hearing this a lot for the next 21 months🙄🙄🙄 21 months? I love youthful optimism. "Come meet the new boss, same as the old boss." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaptain Karl Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 6 hours ago, Vitola Corleone said: 21 months? I love youthful optimism. "Come meet the new boss, same as the old boss." House and senate buddy 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zedman05 Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 Canada’s brutal rates top them all Nope. Look into what OZ is getting bent over for. We are only half way to what they are. A pack of darts up here only costs like $15, but in OZ they are around $40. Taxation without representation, baby. Sent from my SM-G973W using Tapatalk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bijan Posted April 24, 2021 Author Share Posted April 24, 2021 53 minutes ago, Zedman05 said: Look into what OZ is getting bent over for. We're marginally worse on cigars. 50 cab of Lusitanias is sub $3,000 in Australia but over $3,000 in Canada. But it's pretty close. We're better on very cheap cigars since we're by value though and they're by weight. Edit: We do have the stores operating on native land selling without provincial taxes though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wookie Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 What is the USD equivalent price for a Lusitania in Canada now? Or a cab of RASS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zedman05 Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 What is the USD equivalent price for a Lusitania in Canada now? Or a cab of RASS?A Lusi will go for 48-52 here. Sent from my SM-G973W using Tapatalk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBirdman Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 1 hour ago, Wookie said: What is the USD equivalent price for a Lusitania in Canada now? Or a cab of RASS? “If you have to ask, you can’t afford it.” -Anonymous Snob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bijan Posted April 24, 2021 Author Share Posted April 24, 2021 53 minutes ago, Zedman05 said: A Lusi will go for 48-52 here. Sent from my SM-G973W using Tapatalk Edit: Sorry forgot about USD. Carry on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chas.Alpha Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 3 hours ago, Kaptain Karl said: House and senate buddy Dunno. The R’s have managed to split themselves in two, but this borders on the beginnings of a forbidden topic, so we will leave it here... 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bijan Posted April 24, 2021 Author Share Posted April 24, 2021 2 hours ago, Wookie said: What is the USD equivalent price for a Lusitania in Canada now? Or a cab of RASS? Until recently take standard international price and multiply by about 3.3 (depends on the province). The native stores would be about a multiple of 1.8 to 2. I think it might have gone up recently but I haven't seen the new numbers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy_jack Posted April 25, 2021 Share Posted April 25, 2021 Have to fund the crazy “stimulus” checks somehow. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fosgate Posted April 25, 2021 Share Posted April 25, 2021 Next politician that asks me for a contribution, I'm gonna shove a cigar so far up their azz they're going to have to set fire to their nose to smoke it. Then tell them, "There's your contribution." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordAnubis Posted April 25, 2021 Share Posted April 25, 2021 3 dollars in tax 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Must be tough 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zigarrenziggy Posted April 25, 2021 Share Posted April 25, 2021 It's brutal for pipe tobacco. $49 a pound is almost a 100% tax on most bulk blends. Really a shame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chibearsv Posted April 25, 2021 Share Posted April 25, 2021 Wow, who could say "no" to keeping new mothers from dying during childbirth? "Sin tax" is always promoted as some sort of financial solution but it never works. As "sin products" usage declines, tax needs to rise to retain revenue, so "legal" usage declines more, and on and on. So, if intelligent people are promoting a sin tax (and I'm not making that assumption), the motive isn't truly revenue related....it's to eliminate the taxable item or activity. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grateful13 Posted April 25, 2021 Share Posted April 25, 2021 2 hours ago, Chibearsv said: "Sin tax" is always promoted as some sort of financial solution but it never works. As "sin products" usage declines, tax needs to rise to retain revenue, so "legal" usage declines more, and on and on. So, if intelligent people are promoting a sin tax (and I'm not making that assumption), the motive isn't truly revenue related....it's to eliminate the taxable item or activity. This logic actually applies to all taxes, including the income tax. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Cairo Posted April 25, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 25, 2021 2 hours ago, Chibearsv said: Wow, who could say "no" to keeping new mothers from dying during childbirth? "Sin tax" is always promoted as some sort of financial solution but it never works. As "sin products" usage declines, tax needs to rise to retain revenue, so "legal" usage declines more, and on and on. So, if intelligent people are promoting a sin tax (and I'm not making that assumption), the motive isn't truly revenue related....it's to eliminate the taxable item or activity. Imho there are two main types of people who push this stuff: (1) Control freaks. We all know them. They are the neighborhood busybody who wants to make sure the weeds in the neighborhood don't grow too unsightly. The meme in the US these days is "Karen". When they make it to the legislature they go bonkers. (2) "Experts". They hang around foundations, universities, science labs--or are very impressed by such folks. They are convinced that "science" will cure every problem. Of course "science" treats human beings like cattle to be studied--and herded, and history has shown that when you mix "science" and politics you often get a boot on your neck. Humans are very complex, so of course one person could have elements of both personalities. Sin taxes are of course very regressive since poor people either use the products more or lack the skills, knowledge and/or ability to evade the tax. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foursite12 Posted April 25, 2021 Share Posted April 25, 2021 3 hours ago, Chibearsv said: Wow, who could say "no" to keeping new mothers from dying during childbirth? "Sin tax" is always promoted as some sort of financial solution but it never works. As "sin products" usage declines, tax needs to rise to retain revenue, so "legal" usage declines more, and on and on. So, if intelligent people are promoting a sin tax (and I'm not making that assumption), the motive isn't truly revenue related....it's to eliminate the taxable item or activity. The argument holds if revenue is the only objective. In theory, sin taxes are targeted to disincent people from engaging in the targeted activity, thus saving socially -borne expenses created by those of us choosing to engage in them. Absent that benefit, the tax becomes solely punitive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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