Capt. Corona Posted July 14, 2020 Posted July 14, 2020 My Vikings were a great group of well loved people in the past. I mean they only plundered, pillaged and killed everyone and everything in their path for their on well being and benefit. We should be safe with that name for decades to come! ? .......?
Chibearsv Posted July 14, 2020 Posted July 14, 2020 Even though I doubt that the Redskins name stoked any kind of hatred towards native Americans, it certainly didn’t honor them. I think Washington missed a golden opportunity years ago to take the higher ground and make the change that seemed inevitable anyway. They could have made the change with positivity. Instead, now it feels like they’re being dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century. I’m not sure that this is the the slippery slope that Ken is describing but again, maybe it is. In this case though, maybe we will be sliding up instead of down. ? 2 1
Cloud Posted July 14, 2020 Posted July 14, 2020 Well it is about $&*% time! Redskins is a horrible name to have for a team name in this day and age and surprised it lasted this long. Can’t imagine a team called the black skins or white skins...but somehow redskins was ok until 2020! 2 1 1
JY0 Posted July 14, 2020 Posted July 14, 2020 The Navaho Nation today suggested 'The Washington Code Talkers'. Beautiful family BoliDan!
Ken Gargett Posted July 14, 2020 Posted July 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Capt. Corona said: My Vikings were a great group of well loved people in the past. I mean they only plundered, pillaged and killed everyone and everything in their path for their on well being and benefit. We should be safe with that name for decades to come! ? .......? yes, one i forgot. they might get away with it because they killed everyone and left no one to complain. 1 hour ago, Chibearsv said: Even though I doubt that the Redskins name stoked any kind of hatred towards native Americans, it certainly didn’t honor them. I think Washington missed a golden opportunity years ago to take the higher ground and make the change that seemed inevitable anyway. They could have made the change with positivity. Instead, now it feels like they’re being dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century. I’m not sure that this is the the slippery slope that Ken is describing but again, maybe it is. In this case though, maybe we will be sliding up instead of down. ? it sort of is. you can bet that we would not be changing if there was not so much pressure, especially financial pressure. dan has avoided caving to all the pressure in the world until it hit his pocket. then it was over in seconds. yes, it would have been nice to get ahead of it but there was never any chance of that. 1 hour ago, JY0 said: The Navaho Nation today suggested 'The Washington Code Talkers'. Beautiful family BoliDan! no chance. my belief is that they will not touch anything with any connection to native americans. once bitten, if you like. and there will be those that then want that changed. also, fitting code talkers into the song and chants is near impossible. let alone the problems with a logo. 1
Ken Gargett Posted July 14, 2020 Posted July 14, 2020 34 minutes ago, BoliDan said: My sad friend, give us a new name that would not sadden you other than the Washington Kenny G's. as mentioned, BD, happy with hogs (don't see it), sentinels (no chance) or wolves - can live with redwolves or warriors. redwolves allows them to keep using the 'R' which i gather they like. our state rugby team is simply known as the Reds. i could live with the Washington Reds but can you imagine the tweets!! communists! so that has zero chance. provided it is not a truly terribly name (who else can see snyder calling them the 'Dans'?), won't bother me. if it gave us one extra win, they can call them the girlyboys for all matters. perhaps not. 34 minutes ago, BoliDan said: My sad friend, give us a new name that would not sadden you other than the Washington Kenny G's. BD, my apologies. i was not thinking of you when i said the Dans was a terrible name. just snyder calling the team after himself.
MooseAMuffin Posted July 14, 2020 Posted July 14, 2020 9 minutes ago, Ken Gargett said: redwolves allows them to keep using the 'R' which i gather they like. our state rugby team is simply known as the Reds. i could live with the Washington Reds but can you imagine the tweets!! communists! so that has zero chance. What about Red Hogs? Keeps the R. Or if you want to be more scientific, we do have a breed of pig called Red Wattle Hogs ? Also, agree with you on the Reds. We'd just call em commies, and when they continue to lose we would be able to say "See, communism doesn't work!" 1 1
Fuzz AI Posted July 14, 2020 Posted July 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Capt. Corona said: My Vikings were a great group of well loved people in the past. I mean they only plundered, pillaged and killed everyone and everything in their path for their on well being and benefit. We should be safe with that name for decades to come! ? .......? 3
Fuzz AI Posted July 14, 2020 Posted July 14, 2020 46 minutes ago, MooseAMuffin said: What about Red Hogs? Keeps the R. Or if you want to be more scientific, we do have a breed of pig called Red Wattle Hogs ? Also, agree with you on the Reds. We'd just call em commies, and when they continue to lose we would be able to say "See, communism doesn't work!" If they did call them the Washington Reds. would the fans be called the "Red Army".... 4
Hoepssa Posted July 14, 2020 Posted July 14, 2020 Modern people are so soft. Now who tell US army/navy/air force to change those weapons with names 'stole' from Indians? 1 1
Popular Post NSXCIGAR Posted July 14, 2020 Popular Post Posted July 14, 2020 I think it's a great thing. As soon as the Washington Bullets became the Wizards all the murders stopped. 3 2 1
Popular Post Fuzz AI Posted July 14, 2020 Popular Post Posted July 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, NSXCIGAR said: I think it's a great thing. As soon as the Washington Bullets became the Wizards all the murders stopped. Yes, but unregistered magic use went up 500%. 1 4
NSXCIGAR Posted July 14, 2020 Posted July 14, 2020 2 hours ago, MooseAMuffin said: What about Red Hogs? Keeps the R. My high school went from Redskins to Red Hawks. However, there is no such thing as a "Red Hawk"... I will also add that growing up in a heavily historic area with deep Native American ties we always saw the Redskins name as nothing but respectful and honoring of the Native Americans. We had very few if any Native Americans in the area and our area was 90%+ caucasian.
NSXCIGAR Posted July 14, 2020 Posted July 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Fuzz said: Yes, but unregistered magic use went up 500%. Unintended consequences indeed. 1
Markspring1978 Posted July 14, 2020 Posted July 14, 2020 The RS logo was designed by a tribal member of the Blackfoot tribe here in my home state of Montana. Really mixed feelings, even here amongst tribal members about this change. https://www.greatfallstribune.com/story/news/2020/07/13/washington-redskins-name-change-logo-nfl-montana-tribal-member-reactions/5427491002/ What I personally question is the political correctness in the cancel culture that demands change, just to make a statement. Sports mascots are not demonstrations of inferiority, but rather strength. Does it really honor a culture to erase it? 4
Ken Gargett Posted July 14, 2020 Posted July 14, 2020 6 minutes ago, Markspring1978 said: The RS logo was designed by a tribal member of the Blackfoot tribe here in my home state of Montana. Really mixed feelings, even here amongst tribal members about this change. https://www.greatfallstribune.com/story/news/2020/07/13/washington-redskins-name-change-logo-nfl-montana-tribal-member-reactions/5427491002/ What I personally question, is the political correctness in the cancel culture that demands change, just to make a statement. Sports mascots are not demonstrations of inferiority, but rather strength. Does it really honor a culture to erase it? really interesting piece. thanks for that. 1
Fuzz AI Posted July 14, 2020 Posted July 14, 2020 9 minutes ago, Hoepssa said: Modern people are so soft. Now who tell US army/navy/air force to change those weapons with names 'stole' from Indians? I don't see the names as appropriation. I was curious many years ago and did a bit of a search for the reasons why. The names are meant to honor the fierce, aggressive spirit of the Native American Indian warriors. Several Indian tribes were consulted on the names, and some even attended the naming ceremonies and blessed the aircraft. Then again, I'm not a Native American Indian.
KCCubano Posted July 14, 2020 Posted July 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Markspring1978 said: The RS logo was designed by a tribal member of the Blackfoot tribe here in my home state of Montana. Really mixed feelings, even here amongst tribal members about this change. https://www.greatfallstribune.com/story/news/2020/07/13/washington-redskins-name-change-logo-nfl-montana-tribal-member-reactions/5427491002/ What I personally question is the political correctness in the cancel culture that demands change, just to make a statement. Sports mascots are not demonstrations of inferiority, but rather strength. Does it really honor a culture to erase it? The designers son is not overly thrilled about this change
Meklown Posted July 14, 2020 Posted July 14, 2020 3 hours ago, Fuzz said: If they did call them the Washington Reds. would the fans be called the "Red Army".... Wow I have heard "red army" being chanted at every Arsenal (English football) game I have attended and never once did it strike me that there could be a political connotation to that.
Ken Gargett Posted July 14, 2020 Posted July 14, 2020 Just now, Meklown said: Wow I have heard "red army" being chanted at every Arsenal (English football) game I have attended and never once did it strike me that there could be a political connotation to that. sadly these days, you probably could not even hear that chant over the sound of weeping. it has also never been an issue for the Queensland reds either. 1
Ken Gargett Posted July 14, 2020 Posted July 14, 2020 a last ditch plea for the name to be the sentinels. how could you not watch this without grinning? for those not familiar, they have just been jailed for a bar fight against the striking players. they also beat dallas, just like the real replacements did in one of the all time great skins games. https://www.google.com/search?gs_ssp=eJzj4tFP1zcsNM0ytSgsLzdg9FItyUhVKEotyElMTs1NzSspVsjNL8tMVchUKM_MyVEoLi0qyyxLBQDdTBLC&q=the+replacements+movie+i+will+survive&oq=the+replacements+movie+i+w&aqs=chrome.1.0j46j69i57j0l5.34447j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
La_Tigre Posted July 14, 2020 Posted July 14, 2020 12 hours ago, Ken Gargett said: as for teams like the chiefs, just as it has been for the redskins, the problem is that there are the people with a genuine grievance in these matters (and these are the people who should have a say in these things) and then all those that think they should get on board (a mate calls them virtue signalers) simply because they think they should be seen to taking that position and then all those that just need a cause to make them relevant. they could not care what it is as long as they are tearing something down. anyone really think that once the skins have gone that they won't turn on teams like the chiefs or the yankees or even those slave-owning patriots or oppressive cowboys. So, emboldened by the outcome, should Dan remove Washington, too, and save the rebranding dollars in a few years? ***Edit: My point: how far down the rabbit hole does this all go. Those that seek change now redoubling the effort. 1
99call Posted July 14, 2020 Posted July 14, 2020 I do agree with the need for renaming. If there are valid communities that find this to be distasteful and offensive, then a change needs to be made. Many might say "it's political correctness gone mad". I think unwarranted political correctness is definitely out there i the world, but in the case I think it's pretty cut and shut. Some might say, it's just silly and unnecessary......well I think it would be hard to argue, what could be more silly and unnecessary than thousands of fans wanting to dance around pretending to be Native Americans. I bigger point I'd raise is, how bloody boring and characterless do some places have to be, that they have to adopt some sort of synthetic imagined culture. A case in point. Exeter Chiefs in the UK, is a very successful rugby team, and was renamed the Chiefs in 1999. They also dress up, do the tomahawk chop, etc etc. My question is this.... how much of a bloody sad indictment of your town is it, that you're not only misappropriating a culture, but also an entirely different country?. As a bit of background, Exeter has a very rich Roman history, and became very affluent out of the wool trade. If you want to go down a super cheesy name route, why not the "Exeter Rams", Or the "Exeter Legion". I'm not saying it's 100% necessary to have a club named after the real history of the place, but I think it's a bonus when you do. Personally I find nothing wrong with Exeter Rugby Club! as it used to be, I don't need plastic adornments or accessories, or face paint, or fireworks. 8 pint of beer and good pie should be your only requirements at the rugby 1 1
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