It's Official! Washington Redskins Retired

[MooseAMuffin]

5 hours ago, BoliDan said:

She's fine with the chiefs as a name. "Chiefs" is not a derogatory term to her. It's pretty much the same as the LA Kings to her. Just a name of a historical high powered position that is more relevant us. I mentioned in my post that she actually likes the "Chop". Also she we're in Denver so her saying that as a Broncos fan has some weight. Sorry, I'm from New England, so I hate your team as well as my wife's. I'm sure the feeling is mutual.

Thanks for the response! I was pretty shocked to read the article of people finding "Chief" derogatory. My college roommate and really good friend, who is 1/4 Native American, gave his son the middle name Chieftan. He and his wife call call him Chief alot so I sent him the article as well. He couldn't believe it.

When it comes to your choice of teams...I dont think you're allowed to hate anyone since the Pats had 15-20 years of dominance over the entire AFC. Let someone else have a turn! 

I think the Broncos and Chiefs have the makings for a great rivalry over the next 10 years. Im not an MU fan but I saw Lock play alot when he was in college and I think he has tools to be really good. Plus, they had a good draft this year. 

[JohnnyO]

Does this mean Cuba will eliminate the Behike line? Are there Tainos in Cuba or the rest of the world that are offended by it? Should we remove the Indian Chief in front of every cigar store because its racist and offensive? Common, brah. I suggest renaming them the Red Aliens. You get to keep the R and when the Aliens try to take over they'll have something to complain about. John

[SigmundChurchill]

4 hours ago, Ken Gargett said:

"Correct me if I'm wrong, but I do not think there is a democracy in this world that makes it a crime to not vote."

yes. us! voting here is compulsory. 

Are you allowed to write someone in, or do they force you to vote for one of the candidates?

[Fuzz AI]

43 minutes ago, SigmundChurchill said:

Are you allowed to write someone in, or do they force you to vote for one of the candidates?

Just rock up to the polling booth, get your name signed off, walk over to the booth, pretend you are writing, then drop the unused folded ballot paper into the box.

[MooseAMuffin]

5 hours ago, Ken Gargett said:

"Correct me if I'm wrong, but I do not think there is a democracy in this world that makes it a crime to not vote."

yes. us! voting here is compulsory. 

If this was the case for us here in the states, about half of us would be in trouble. ?

[CaptainQuintero]

5 hours ago, Fuzz said:

Just rock up to the polling booth, get your name signed off, walk over to the booth, pretend you are writing, then drop the unused folded ballot paper into the box.

  This might be a total urban myth, but is it true that a majority of winners have gotten there by being the first name at the top of the list to pick from? ie the candidate first on the list due to alphabetical order usually wins?

[Ken Gargett]

51 minutes ago, CaptainQuintero said:

  This might be a total urban myth, but is it true that a majority of winners have gotten there by being the first name at the top of the list to pick from? ie the candidate first on the list due to alphabetical order usually wins?

that is what is called the donkey vote (for obvious reasons and apols to all donkeys, given the post we are on). it is believed to be worth 1 or 2% up to possibly 7 to 8% in some extreme cases. depends on the election/candidates. if they are a miserable lot and no one cares, the donkey vote goes up. 

if you write someone in, the vote is then informal, as in it gores into the bin. you'd be amazed at how often the jedi party gets included. in the past, the great norman gunston was often included. it would take a bit to explain the gunston phenomenon.

you won't be fined for that as they never know who does that. but you will be fined - i think it is about $50 - if you don't front up or send in a postal vote. 

personally, for years i just apply for a postal vote and then send it back with votes if i intend to vote or not if i don't want to vote. i am in the minority in australia but i firmly believe that voting should be a right, not a compulsory obligation.  

[Homer]

I would suggest that they replase all the derogatory names with rainbow.

Washington rainbows, Chicago rainbows etc.

Everybody loves rainbows.

Go rainbows!

[BrightonCorgi]

The irony is that when a team takes a name of an object, person, group, etc it is done with reverence..   No one is going to name themselves "the livers" if they hate liver for instance.

In my state, there is a native american on the flag and just about everything in certain parts of the state is named after something in wampanoag which was the native american tribe in my state.  The two innately interwoven.  Should we rename every street now?

[alloy]

On 7/16/2020 at 11:19 PM, BrightonCorgi said:

The irony is that when a team takes a name of an object, person, group, etc it is done with reverence..   No one is going to name themselves "the livers" if they hate liver for instance.

In my state, there is a native american on the flag and just about everything in certain parts of the state is named after something in wampanoag which was the native american tribe in my state.  The two innately interwoven.  Should we rename every street now?

Just eliminate Massachusetts? ?

[Cold Smoke]

On 7/13/2020 at 9:21 AM, anacostiakat said:

https://www.hogshaven.com/2020/7/13/21322495/official-the-redskins-have-officially-retired-their-team-name-and-logo

 

Well overdue!

[bpm32]

A lot of football fans in DC actually root for the Dallas Cowboys. Been that way for decades.

[BrightonCorgi]

4 hours ago, alloy said:

Just eliminate Mastachusetts? ?

Exactly.  We were culturally appropriating since 1620, lol.  

It's all so absurd.  I think the world is in its greatest place we've been in if such nonsense issues are what many deem to be so important. 

 

[Nino]

11 hours ago, Homer said:

I would suggest that they replase all the derogatory names with rainbow.

Washington rainbows, Chicago rainbows etc.

Everybody loves rainbows.

Go rainbows!

Not sure it is a good idea @Homer... ?

Nowadays everyone and his grandmother has something to object about names - looks like people from your big neighbour to the east object to rainbows ...

Hold the rainbows.
 

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We all know the dangers of eating too much ice cream — it takes its toll on your waistband and wallet, and can rot your teeth. Oh, and it makes you gay! Er, what?

Yes, according to a former member of the Russian parliament and current head of the Union of Women, an ice cream called Rainbow should be banned because it promotes homosexuality. Ekaterina Lakhova told President Vladimir Putin that advertisements for the multicolored ice cream could lead to children becoming “accustomed to” the LGBTQ community's rainbow-colored flag.

"They're quietly promoting these nice rainbow colors, using nice words, they're advertising an ice cream called Rainbow," Lakhova told Putin, seemingly undermining her own argument by pointing out that it's only ice cream with nice colors and children like nice colors and rainbows. Before you know it she'll be saying that unicorns are gay!

“I have the same negative feelings about the rainbow as I do about the swastika,” Lakhova said in 1959. No, sorry, she said that in July 2020.

 

https://www.politico.eu/article/declassified-july-9/

[Fuzz AI]

3 hours ago, nino said:

Not sure it is a good idea @Homer... ?

Nowadays everyone and his grandmother has something to object about names - looks like people from your big neighbour to the east object to rainbows ...

Hold the rainbows.
 

 

What about flowers?

Chicago Petunnias? LA Lillies? Washington Daffodils! Yeah! Go the Dills!! 

Better not on second thought... people with hayfever may object.

[Ken Gargett]

7 hours ago, bpm32 said:

A lot of football fans in DC actually root for the Dallas Cowboys. Been that way for decades.

when i lived there, i didn't meet a single one. they would have been very brave. 

[bpm32]

2 hours ago, Ken Gargett said:

when i lived there, i didn't meet a single one. they would have been very brave. 

The (probably apocryphal) claim is that the Redskins were the last to allow black players and Dallas had integrated early on, but who knows what the real reason is. In any event it’s something I wondered about for years and years living there. All the black dudes I asked about it said they were Cowboys fans because their older relatives were Cowboys fans. Never met a white Cowboys fan there that wasn’t from Texas though. Now to be fair, it’s hard to find a Redskins fan these days who isn’t beat down, so it’s possible a lot of fans jumped ship over to Dallas since you lived there.

[Ken Gargett]

2 hours ago, bpm32 said:

The (probably apocryphal) claim is that the Redskins were the last to allow black players and Dallas had integrated early on, but who knows what the real reason is. In any event it’s something I wondered about for years and years living there. All the black dudes I asked about it said they were Cowboys fans because their older relatives were Cowboys fans. Never met a white Cowboys fan there that wasn’t from Texas though. Now to be fair, it’s hard to find a Redskins fan these days who isn’t beat down, so it’s possible a lot of fans jumped ship over to Dallas since you lived there.

that is true. reasonably well known - george preston marshall was the owner and well known as perhaps one of the more racist people involved with the nfl. he refused to include any black players. when they got a new stadium, someone from the kennedy admin told him integrate or you can't use the stadium. it was on federal land, i think. he told them to bugger off and they caved (obviously early sixties). they tried again the next year and made it clear that was his last chance. so he drafted a black player and everyone was happy. marshall then immediately traded him. but they did then start bringing in black players including bobby marshall who passed away a few weeks back. hall of fame player. 

you do get a lot of fans of all teams in DC because it is such a transient place. they are there four years or eight years or whatever. but i never met nor have ever heard of any genuine local supporting the cowboys. and i simply do not believe anyone who was a fan of the skins, even those sick of losing (all of them) who would swap to the cowboys. would be hard enough to believe they'd swap to any team if they were genuine fans but there is not a chance in hell any swapped to the cowboys. i can believe that there might be some locals who supported the cowboys or whatever team because their family moved to the area and they grew up that way. but not that they swapped to the cowboys. it would be akin to the archbishop of canturbury and the pope both waking up and deciding they needed to make the pilgrimage to mecca. 

the only person i know who grew up in the other's territory (if that makes sense) as a fan of the other team is matthew mcconaghey, who grew up in the middle of texas as a skins fan. he must have copped some fearful beatings at school.  always been one of my fave actors. 

[BrightonCorgi]

On 7/16/2020 at 11:56 PM, alloy said:

Just eliminate Massachusetts? ?

It's moving that direction

https://www.boston.com/news/local-news/2020/07/16/charlie-baker-open-to-talking-calls-to-change-massachusetts-flag-seal

[NSXCIGAR]

And introducing...the Washington Football Team:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/washington-to-call-itself-washington-football-team-temporarily-and-make-tweak-to-uniform-for-2020/amp/

[Homer]

But the word Washington can be confused with George Washington who was white man. Thats racism.

 

 

[anacostiakat]

Hail to the Football Team.  Hail Victory! 

[SCgarman]

5 hours ago, anacostiakat said:

Hail to the Football Team.  Hail Victory! 

? As someone who lives and Redskins territory and HATES them I love it. May they continue to self-destruct. What a disaster.

[NSXCIGAR]

12 hours ago, Homer said:

But the word Washington can be confused with George Washington who was white man. Thats racism.

White and a slave owner. Double whammy. DC has to go, WA state has to go. Rename the Washington Monument to the Obelisk of Wokeness. DC should be called Wokeland, and we'd have the Wokeland Football Team. WA state: the State of Woke. 

[CaptainQuintero]

  Unless it's actually named after Washington England, ala York>New York then it's fine as long as you pay the relevent copyright ?