Impact of the new Coronavirus where you are?

[99call]

2 minutes ago, CaptainQuintero said:

"The real hero of Jaws is the mayor".

"A gigantic fish is eating all your constituents and he decides to keep the beaches open.

"OK, in that instance he was actually wrong. But in principle, we need more politicians like the mayor-- we are often the only obstacle against all the nonsense which is really a massive conspiracy against the taxpayer".

I never attempted to suggest when or where he said, it. I have no interest in that. For me the very fact he chose (out of a multitude of options) that the Mayor was his hero.  Lord knows what he must think of the film American Psycho. wall to wall role models in that. 

In the film Jaws, you do not get a sense (from the Mayor)  that deep down he's a good guy, rather one who is sceptical of science, and concerned about standing, ego, and appearances. 

It's interesting in Boris's own words he contradicts himself, "in that instance he was actually wrong, But in principle, we need more politicians like the Mayor"   Oh right!!?? yes of course that makes sense.  So as a politician, you formulate your principle, regardless of the facts, and then when you fail, you ruffle your hair back stage,  shuffle out, and go "Ah......yes.....well    errrr! yes, well.......it seems that although we in principle, did the right thing......well.......errr.. unfortunately....the Shark......did actually exist...and sadly some bathers, have indeed died.       This of course..... all terribly, terribly sad"

To be honest I find it vomit inducing him talking about conspiracy,  when his puppet master is out there, printing off NHS headed leaflets, and simulating fact checker twitter accounts/websites. 

The have a feeling Boris himself, would dive in the water and go around biting members of the British public, if it meant holding on to power. 

[SigmundChurchill]

49 minutes ago, Stogiepuffer said:

 

If this is true, you don't know what to believe..

 

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I have seen this before, and I think she is trying to put a spin on what the CDC was trying to say.

The COVID 19 death toll is currently underestimated because many people who it has killed have not been tested.  There are many times the cause of death is listed based on symptomatology with no definitive test.  A test has never been a requirement for “cause of death” before, so why are we treating this disease differently? 

If someone clutches their chest, complaining of a sharp pain down their arm and it feels like an elephant is sitting on their chest, and they die before the EMTs get there, it is fine to list “myocardial infarction” (heart attack) as the cause of death.  Too many doctors have been hesitant to do that with COVID-19 without a test, even if all the symptoms pointed to that.  

For example, here in COVID-ravaged NJ, 17 people were found dead in one nursing home.  Does it really matter if they are tested, or is it enough to say, “Hey, this has never happened before.  COVID-19 causes old people to stop breathing and die very quickly.  We can assume that this nursing home had a COVID-19 outbreak.”

Look, there is a very easy way to check if the numbers are accurate.  Just take the number of deaths for the average month, and subtract the number of deaths for that month this year.  The average death rate NYC mid-March through mid-April was 13,000 deaths higher, than the same time period in any recent year.  And dont forget, the shooting deaths, motor vehicle deaths, etc, were all lower than other years because of the shutdown.  This means at 10,000, the COVID-19 deaths are being grossly underestimated.  The CDC is trying to get a more accurate count.  But the political forces are doing what they can to make this attempt out to be nefarious in nature.

[7kingsguy]

 
If this is true, you don't know what to believe..
 
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This doctor has a hell of an agenda. She is pro life and talks about the holy spirit in an interview about covid. I have no problem with a religious doctor but if you are using it in your profession there is definitely a conflict of interest.

I think she may well be in someones pocket. I would not trust her over the 99 percent of doctors who contradict her.

See this interview here https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.globalresearch.ca/covid-19-death-certificates-being-manipulated-dr-annie-bukacek/5709836/amp

If anything deaths are under reported, as many deaths at home are not being added to the figures. Hence why deaths have been revised up in many places once there is a chance to add these deaths outside of hospital.


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[Ken Gargett]

59 minutes ago, 99call said:

The have a feeling Boris himself, would dive in the water and go around biting members of the British public, if it meant holding on to power. 

you've met a politician that wouldn't?

[99call]

15 minutes ago, Ken Gargett said:

you've met a politician that wouldn't?

Gladly I've never actually met a politician,  full face mask and gloves would be standard for such an occasion.    But I do hold out hope for decent people,  they rarely ever get to power, as they are not adept in the art of back stabbing. and selling out. 

As for the Mayor of Amity Island, if he had anything about him, he would of gotten right on the blower to China, ordered 200.000 plastic Shark toys, and got Captain Quint to run cage tours........of course ......however.........in a bigger boat!

 

[CaptainQuintero]

Cage tours!!

I'm more of a Ring Toss and Splat the Rat kind of guy! Know your strengths and target market!

[99call]

3 minutes ago, CaptainQuintero said:

Cage tours!!

I'm more of a Ring Toss and Splat the Rat kind of guy! Know your strengths and target market!

I'm picturing Terry Thomas

[Kitchen]

On 4/16/2020 at 10:51 PM, Ken Gargett said:

yeah, i think we might have crossed into little-green-aliens-are-behind-this territory

I think, given the facts, it is plausible this was an accidental release form that lab.  The wet market in question does not sell bats, the first few victims did not come in contact with bats, and that lab had been for a decade publishing papers on collecting corona viruses from bats to study.  Additionally, just like with the USSR with Chernobyl, their actions could be explained as a coverup to prevent embarrassment.   A deliberate release I think is tin foil hat stuff, but a accidental release needs to be considered.  

[helix]

1 hour ago, Kitchen said:

I think, given the facts, it is plausible this was an accidental release form that lab.  The wet market in question does not sell bats, the first few victims did not come in contact with bats, and that lab had been for a decade publishing papers on collecting corona viruses from bats to study.  Additionally, just like with the USSR with Chernobyl, their actions could be explained as a coverup to prevent embarrassment.   A deliberate release I think is tin foil hat stuff, but a accidental release needs to be considered.  

Accidental release in a BSL 4 containment lab , if operating with correct protocols highly unlikely. Deliberate release would be about the only way from a proper BSL 4  containment lab. 

No idea the conditions within the Wuhan lab but have heard talk of deficiencies.   

[Kitchen]

7 minutes ago, helix said:

Accidental release in a BSL 4 containment lab , if operating with correct protocols highly unlikely. Deliberate release would be about the only way from a proper BSL 4  containment lab. 

No idea the conditions within the Wuhan lab but have heard talk of deficiencies.   

That would be the reason for the embarrassment.  I've heard the analogy it would be like giving a car to a child and then watching it crash.  

Those labs were an attempt to prove that they could compete with, or be better then, the West with virology.  A scandal like this would greatly destroy any trust with them.  

Additionally, if this virus really did come from a wet market, wouldn't you think they would shut them down?  But China has not.  

I would bet on a accidental release from someone whom was infected and thought to be okay, given the  extremely long incubation period.  

[helix]

1 minute ago, Kitchen said:

That would be the reason for the embarrassment.  I've heard the analogy it would be like giving a car to a child and then watching it crash.  

Those labs were an attempt to prove that they could compete with, or be better then, the West with virology.  A scandal like this would greatly destroy any trust with them.  

Additionally, if this virus really did come from a wet market, wouldn't you think they would shut them down?  But China has not.  

I would bet on a accidental release from someone whom was infected and thought to be okay, given the  extremely long incubation period.  

That is realistic , certainly could be what had happened. 

[El Presidente]

28 minutes ago, Kitchen said:

Additionally, if this virus really did come from a wet market, wouldn't you think they would shut them down?  But China has not. 

I have been to plenty of "wet markets" throughout China and Asia + the Pacific Islands.  

They are simply markets and have existed since man began to trade. They won't be shutting them anytime soon. Proper regulation of  animals sold however is an achievable outcome if there was a will. 

 

[Ken Gargett]

12 minutes ago, El Presidente said:

I have been to plenty of "wet markets" throughout China and Asia + the Pacific Islands.  

They are simply markets and have existed since man began to trade. They won't be shutting them anytime soon. Proper regulation of  animals sold however is an achievable outcome if there was a will. 

 

toss in africa and the markets there. 

i agree they are not shutting down any time soon. i do not agree that regulation is likely to be achieved. think of africa. every little village has a market or two, bigger towns more. you mention asia and the islands. ditto. and they sell whatever they have caught.

people fighting the illegal wildlife trade have fought these markets for years and got nowhere. it simply isn't happening. i'm sure they will shut down or control some of the bigger ones but they'll spring up elsewhere. 

[Kitchen]

10 minutes ago, Ken Gargett said:

toss in africa and the markets there. 

i agree they are not shutting down any time soon. i do not agree that regulation is likely to be achieved. think of africa. every little village has a market or two, bigger towns more. you mention asia and the islands. ditto. and they sell whatever they have caught.

people fighting the illegal wildlife trade have fought these markets for years and got nowhere. it simply isn't happening. i'm sure they will shut down or control some of the bigger ones but they'll spring up elsewhere. 

I would agree with this with any other country then China.  Watch the documentary One Child Nation, and you'll be amazed and out right disgusted by China's authoritarian control over the country.  If they wanted them shut down, they would be shut down.  

[Ken Gargett]

2 minutes ago, Kitchen said:

I would agree with this with any other country then China.  Watch the documentary One Child Nation, and you'll be amazed and out right disgusted by China's authoritarian control over the country.  If they wanted them shut down, they would be shut down.  

sorry, i meant to mention china as a possible exception but forgot. yes, they would have a chance. 

[BTWheezy]

29 minutes ago, El Presidente said:

I have been to plenty of "wet markets" throughout China and Asia + the Pacific Islands.  

They are simply markets and have existed since man began to trade. They won't be shutting them anytime soon. Proper regulation of  animals sold however is an achievable outcome if there was a will. 

 

Wet markets, labs, whatever....aren’t scary viruses just part of our fate as humans?  Think about all the pandemics over time.  Sure, we try to learn and adapt from previous experiences, but the viruses are constantly adapting too.  We just try to dodge the bullets as best we can, yeah?  We are just spinning around the sun for a few decades, enjoying wonderful cigars so smoke ‘em if you got ‘em!

- Wheezy

[BellevilleMXZ]

Bit of a touchy weekend here, Daughter who works at a local long term home(with no cases yet thankfully) for the aged, came down with a bad cough/slight breathing problem on sat.morn at work 

Immediately left and got tested. As she works where she does, rushed test confirmed negative late today. Thankfully is feeling better , with only slight cough persisting. Stay safe folks!!

[BellevilleMXZ]

Oh and since there seems to be a few very knowledgeable USA folks here, what do you make of the JH charts? I have watched very little news as of late(usually watch a fair bit) and used to check the JH chart many times a day. I now am staying away from it all, just due to the fact, it was really starting to effect me in a bad way.

Looking at the chart tonight after not looking since Friday, the USA seems to be getting almost out of control. Is this the case? Yes they have done 3.8 mil tests,  , but they are up to 759,000 infections? I don't see the  amount of tests done elsewhere, nor do I really wish to dig through all the bad news to try and find them. Does not look good.....They look to be on par with france by rough estimate?

[Habana Mike]

12 minutes ago, BellevilleMXZ said:

Bit of a touchy weekend here, Daughter who works at a local long term home(with no cases yet thankfully) for the aged, came down with a bad cough/slight breathing problem on sat.morn at work 

Immediately left and got tested. As she works where she does, rushed test confirmed negative late today. Thankfully is feeling better , with only slight cough persisting. Stay safe folks!!

Glad to hear she didn't test positive. Especially given the population she is dealing with!

[SigmundChurchill]

On 4/18/2020 at 5:18 PM, SigmundChurchill said:

I have seen this before, and I think she is trying to put a spin on what the CDC was trying to say.

The COVID 19 death toll is currently underestimated because many people who it has killed have not been tested.  There are many times the cause of death is listed based on symptomatology with no definitive test.  A test has never been a requirement for “cause of death” before, so why are we treating this disease differently? 

If someone clutches their chest, complaining of a sharp pain down their arm and it feels like an elephant is sitting on their chest, and they die before the EMTs get there, it is fine to list “myocardial infarction” (heart attack) as the cause of death.  Too many doctors have been hesitant to do that with COVID-19 without a test, even if all the symptoms pointed to that.  

For example, here in COVID-ravaged NJ, 17 people were found dead in one nursing home.  Does it really matter if they are tested, or is it enough to say, “Hey, this has never happened before.  COVID-19 causes old people to stop breathing and die very quickly.  We can assume that this nursing home had a COVID-19 outbreak.”

Look, there is a very easy way to check if the numbers are accurate.  Just take the number of deaths for the average month, and subtract the number of deaths for that month this year.  The average death rate NYC mid-March through mid-April was 13,000 deaths higher, than the same time period in any recent year.  And dont forget, the shooting deaths, motor vehicle deaths, etc, were all lower than other years because of the shutdown.  This means at 10,000, the COVID-19 deaths are being grossly underestimated.  The CDC is trying to get a more accurate count.  But the political forces are doing what they can to make this attempt out to be nefarious in nature.

Just an update, in the time since I posted this, this nursing home went from 17 deaths yesterday, to 70 deaths at the nursing home tonight.  

[SigmundChurchill]

1 hour ago, BellevilleMXZ said:

Bit of a touchy weekend here, Daughter who works at a local long term home(with no cases yet thankfully) for the aged, came down with a bad cough/slight breathing problem on sat.morn at work 

Immediately left and got tested. As she works where she does, rushed test confirmed negative late today. Thankfully is feeling better , with only slight cough persisting. Stay safe folks!!

I have seen my share of false negatives.  It is fairly common.  I hope it really is a true negative, but given her specific symptoms, she needs to still be careful.  

[JamesKPolkEsq]

A friend of mine from college, very healthy (low BMI, low BP, no lung issues) had COVID-19 and is recovering. Her words:

For me, it started with a cough. It was dry. It wasn't too bad. I thought I would get to escape easily. I hid in my apartment, and hoped it would pass. It didn't. Then it did. Then there was some fever. But I was alone, and the internet in America is out of thermometers, so I couldn't take my temperature. But when I sweated through my pants while sitting quietly, I decided probably... I had it. 

Being alone and being your own nurse is a thing. You have to pay attention to your body in a way that is disorientating and unfair, while your body is being disorienting and unfair. This thing comes in waves. Use those moments where you feel fine and think you've kicked to make all the food you might want to eat. For me, was soup. had no idea how bad it would get. I am so grateful I made soup for many when it was just me and an uncertain future. This thing kills your appetite, and you have to eat anyway.

- The scary breathing didn't start until over two weeks in. The only thing that helped was an albuterol inhaler a doctor friend prescribed and steaming my lungs with near boiling water, eucalyptus and a towel over my head. Also, the recent things I've read suggest don't sleep on your back. Stay prone if you can, if the breathing gets bad, like an athlete trying to bike up the last hill. Basically, more of your lung volume is in your back than you think. And you need every single alveoli to work that can. I don't smoke, and craved more soft pink lung tissue as I wheezed through a night and tried to figure out if I needed to brave an overworked NYC hospital. 

- There is a lot of new (and this all new) research that as much motion you can do is important. Turns out a bunch of your lung volume is in your back. You need that volume. In hospitals they are putting people on their fronts to avoid putting them on ventilators. Luckily this was intuitive to me. I felt uncomfortable on my back. Sleep on your side if you can. Do yoga. Do breathing exercises, no matter how annoying. - Have a friend to check in with. Alone and sick is hard. And friends will worry. But you need a plan to get out. - I love and miss you all.

Four weeks out, I still get chest pain. And I'm really lucky that this thing that keeps taking people I love and people people I love away didn't take me. But the rest of you, even the young and mighty, act like you already have it.

[TheGipper]

10 minutes ago, JamesKPolkEsq said:

Turns out a bunch of your lung volume is in your back. You need that volume. In hospitals they are putting people on their fronts to avoid putting them on ventilators.

There's been a lot of chatter among the front line doctors about this lately.  Good explainer from Professor Downham.

 

[Fuzz AI]

On 4/6/2020 at 11:42 PM, Fuzz said:

Our criteria in NSW for testing is not just based on symptoms. They will ask the following questions:

1. Have you recently come from overseas?
2. Have you been on a cruise ship recently?
3. Have you been in contact with somebody who has recently come from overseas or on a cruise ship?
4. Have you come into contact with somebody who has been diagnosed with Covid-19? (they will want that person's name)
5. Are you a healthcare worker or work in aged care?

If you answer no to these questions, you won't be tested. They will tell you to go home and self-isolate, and if your symptoms get worse, to call an ambulance.

Update:

NSW Govt has expanded the test criteria to anyone who has had fever/flu like symptoms in the last 2 months, so I got a telehealth consult on Saturday. Doc was 50/50 on my symptoms, but leaning towards testing, due to the fact it was still lingering. Doc knew of a testing lab that had a pretty fast turn around time that was testing on weekends, so off I go. Testing was conducted in the car park, so you don't have to leave your vehicle. Dude explained how the test was conducted, then proceeded to shove the swab up my nose till it popped out the back of my head. In and out within five minutes, but have to wait 2 days till the results come back.

Got a call from the doc this morning, results are negative for Covid-19. Happy that I now have confirmation, but still wondering why the fudge I still have a slightly wheezy chest. Doc was a bit puzzled by that too, but as I am slowly getting better, he thinks it is just the lingering effects of the flu. If it gets worse, said I should come in for an examination. Now hopefully, my anxiety will start playing nice and give me a break for a while.

Once there is a semblance of normalcy and we can start going out again, I'm gonna be like...

[El Presidente]

Great News Chris