Petit Robusto and Dinosaurs.

[dominattorney]

I love 38 through 46. Count me in as well. 

[cigaraholic]

I can see the comet coming in the sky ⛄️☄️

[Corylax18]

My current go tos are el principes and PLMCs which are a measly 33. The majority of the sticks I smoke are in that range. I like sub 42, then I decide on what length cigar to smoke. Montes are a dream when it comes this. Tubo, 1,3,4. All 42, about 20 min additional smoke time for each size larger. I do like longer cigars when the time is right, I dont usually have that much time though. 

I do love lighting up a Lusi and throwing football on though. Pretty much the perfect sunday afternoon. 

[Guest robertsccr5]

Corona, Corona Gorda, Lancero, Lonsdale, petite Corona are all my preferred sizes.

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[rhcolbert]

I'm with you. I've given a few a go, but don't like. 

 

I don't know the names, but I prefer mid-high 40s and decent length. Way better than the stubbies to me

[ChanceSchmerr]

Ahhhh.....you know how I feel. LOL

[watches_whiskies_cigars]

46 and under for me

[Jeremy Festa]

I am not a dinosaur, by definition, but by choice, probably. 

The only time petite robustos irritate me, is when they are amazing, and you want more. 

And, in retrospect, it is a very good thing. When I leave a restaurant full (or too full) it's not the same as when you leave wanting more. 

So when I reflect on cigars that were too short, I always look back on them more fondly. 

But yeah, I hear what you're saying. 

 

 

[Jeremy Festa]

3 hours ago, Colt45 said:

My favorite dinosaur is pterodactyl.

My sign is scorpio with a bad moon rising.

 

Honestly mate? The Pterodactyl wasn't/isn't a dinosaur.

For shame. How could you? 

[JohnS]

I'm raising both hands and praying that there will be some sub-46 Habanos cigars left in 5 years time!

[gweilgi]

For a regular one-hour smoke, a hermoso or robusto is my go-to size (which may also include belicosos).  

I do very much appreciate a lonsdale, but at a smoking time of 90 minutes and more, that is an irregular pleasure.  

In this context: a while back I came across my father's old copy of Zino Davidoff's cigar book from the late 60's.  Read it from cover to cover, and discovered that Zino does not even *mention* robustos as a format.  So 40-50 years ago, they weren't even on the radar.  How times have changed .... and I suspect that times will change again.  

Whether any of us will live long enough to see the return of small RG cigars such as lanceros, I couldn't possibly say, but the power of the marketplace does give me hope.  Like anything else, cigar consumption is ruled by fashion.  Sooner or later, manufacturers will feel the need to revitalise their markets and shift more product by changing the fashion.  At that point, skinnies will be rediscovered and marketed as the latest greatest thing since indoor plumbing.  

[Blakes]

1 hour ago, gweilgi said:

 In this context: a while back I came across my father's old copy of Zino Davidoff's cigar book from the late 60's.  Read it from cover to cover, and discovered that Zino does not even *mention* robustos as a format.  So 40-50 years ago, they weren't even on the radar.  How times have changed .... and I suspect that times will change again.  

There is (or was) a video on youtube of Simon Chase of Hunters and Frankau saying he saw the production numbers of Partagas D4's for one year sometime in the mid 80's and it was only around 5000 cigars total.

[Preacher man]

Dinosaur Here!!!

[stinkhead]

Lancero is my favorite size. Thank god I can't imagine they would ever wack the CoLa so at least I will always have one cigar left to smoke.

[Fuzz]

PC, corona, long corona, panetela & dalia are my preferred sizes.

[awkwardPause]

Sorry for the rant that follows (coming from a dinosaur perspective)...

As we all know, the American DR/NC market killed the sub 50 RG cigar at the global level, and I doubt few would really argue that. It's hard to trace exactly, but it appears to have started in the 90's US cigar "boom". From a business perspective, Habanos SA had to feel that pressure as a result of this influence on multiple global markets over the last 20 years or so and make adjustments to stay competitive as smoker's preference changed (devolved?). Stateside, when sales were strong for these large RG behemoths, the biggest players (General, Altadis, etc) followed suit and amplified the whole thing with the global advertising the small-mid sized companies didn't have despite their pumping out 60-70 RG cigars. And it all goes back to that unfortunate American "bigger is better! Yar!" ideology that drove this thing by the horns once it got rolling (rolling...ha). To make matters worse, I've heard guys stand stand around brick and mortar shops and have these nauseating discussions about the "value" of these massive dog turds because obviously more is always, ALWAYS better. Trust me when I say "taste", "complexity", or "enjoyment" is usually not mentioned in these conversations.  At any rate, It's the same underlying thought-process that results in a stay-at-home mom with 2 kids under 5 driving a gas-guzzling 16mpg SUV around town to run errands. Living in the US, this kind of crap has always gotten under my skin so much it drives me to madness some/all days.

Now, a fun question would be this - what manufacturer and/or cigar do you believe had the most influence on this large RG trend (basically anything beyond 52-54 RG in my books)?

From a 2002 CA article, I found this sort of interesting:

"The emergence of thick cigar brands can trace its genesis to 1995, when J.C. Newman brought to market a new brand of all-54-ring-gauge cigars called Diamond Crown. "I wanted to come out with the thickest cigar. All sizes, but with the largest ring gauge," says Stanford Newman, patriarch of the 107-year-old company. "At that time, the largest ring gauge was 52, so we came out with 54." Newman explains that in a thinner cigar, the wrapper and binder account for a majority of the cigar's flavor, often muting the flavor of the filler tobaccos. He created the thick Diamond Crowns because he wanted the taste of his filler tobacco to shine through the cigar. At the time of the cigar's release, very few manufacturers were thinking that way. "In 1995, Diamond Crown was one of the largest cigars," he says. "People said, 'What will you do if someone wants a thinner cigar?' I said, 'Go smoke someone else's.'"

According to Newman, the ring gauge of the cigar correlates directly with the capability of making a complex blend. "With a thicker ring gauge, you can make a better cigar because you can blend in five or six different leaves." It's a matter of physics: a thick cigar has room for more tobacco leaves than a thin one, and more leaves can create a complexity impossible in a thinner smoke."

[anacostiakat]

Probably my least favorite size.  But, if they are selling then I guess they will keep pumping them out. 

[Colt45]

10 hours ago, Jeremy Festa said:

Honestly mate? The Pterodactyl wasn't/isn't a dinosaur.

For shame. How could you? 

OK -  Liopleurodon, then.

[Guest Nekhyludov]

10 hours ago, Jeremy Festa said:

The only time petite robustos irritate me, is when they are amazing, and you want more. 

I don't tend to enjoy a 4" cigar; they either don't have the smoking time to develop, or by the time they get going they're finished. 

When I can carve out time to smoke, I generally want a long, leisurely experience. Lots of churchills and DCs in my rotation. 

[Fugu]

56 minutes ago, Colt45 said:

OK -  Liopleurodon, then.

I liked your choice of Pterodactylus (a pterosaur), digged out in Bavaria. Interesting case as it is the only species of that order. I am a fan of flying sauropsides (aka birds), too....

[Fugu]

4 hours ago, awkwardPause said:

According to Newman, the ring gauge of the cigar correlates directly with the capability of making a complex blend. "With a thicker ring gauge, you can make a better cigar because you can blend in five or six different leaves." It's a matter of physics: a thick cigar has room for more tobacco leaves than a thin one, and more leaves can create a complexity impossible in a thinner smoke."

Yep, often repeated - still, doesn't make it any more true. Reality proves different - every serious smoker knows that.

[godpheonix]

only had one kind of petit robusto and that was  Monty Petit Edmundo. i'm definitely in the dinosaur realm. i would be in la la land  with corona gorda, dalias and long skinnies sizes...and maybe add the 109 in there as well! 

[Philc2001]

@Elpresidente,

is this is a  poll to determine what to offer up on 24:24?

If so, then please throw us some long and skinny, whatever comes in <48 RG and >4" in length, be it panetelas, coronas, lonsdales, etc. Coronas have been scarce for several months, so I'd love to load up on those. Thank you!

[PigFish]

... well Bwana, what do you think my answer is? I believe I used the term anachronism verses dinosaur last time I posted to one of your threads. The choice of words is about all that separates us.

I am curious about your choice of words here as well, when you said, "progressively restricted."

Man... whether you meant it or not as I see it, your choice of words is profoundly accurate ...

-Piggy

[joeypots]

I'm used to being out of step in general. I started my love affair with Cuban cigars in the early nineties and couldn't get enough of the MC#2 and the Hoyo DC. Now I'm thinking the guys ion the old days had it right. The corona is the king of cigars. Despite the fact that I have often been told, by my wife mostly, to shut my big mouth, I do not like fat cigars. 50 RG is the fattest I'll stock on a regular basis and thats because I think Cuba does a great job with the RASS, CORO, and PSD4. I'm reaching more and more for a Lonsdale, Corona, Petit Corona, Corona gorda and Grande, and Dalia. Years ago I wrote about a great Siglo VI I had but mentioned then that it was too fat. Most of the new issues don't do much for me and I'd prefer to sip on an Especial than puff on some 56RG X 4" plug.