EAR: Why are cigar oldtimers always grumpy?

[El Presidente]

EAR= Email Assistance Required 

 

 

Loved this one. I assume Ken would be president of the home.  

 

"your recent rant on 2424 was the exception to the rule in that you have always been in your words "glass half full" toward your outlook to life. I just wanted to touch base and make sure that you aren't travelling down that route that all FOH oldtimers seemingly arrive at:  "The Grumpy as F***K Oldtimer Cigar retirement Home"  It appears to be getting very crowded in that smoke shack!

What is it about cigars that transforms  so many bright eyed and enthusiastic pilgrims into grumpy insufferable know it all bores within a decade? FB/Insta/You Tube, f**k me, it is like 10 years in cigars is equivalent to three tours of Afghanistan! How do some of these people have partners? Stop the bitching,  smoke their shit, laugh, get laid  and get on with it. 

Keep up the good fight Rob. You started it all with BR and single handedly brought down the cigar world, but in the words of Tay Tay, "Shake it off" and don't let be bastards drag you down!"  

[RDB]

It’s simple. Cigar smokers are smart. Getting older sucks. Therefore old cigar smokers are grumpy.

[Chibearsv]

33 minutes ago, El Presidente said:

What is it about cigars that transforms  so many bright eyed and enthusiastic pilgrims into grumpy insufferable know it all bores within a decade? FB/Insta/You Tube, f**k me, it is like 10 years in cigars is equivalent to three tours of Afghanistan! How do some of these people have partners? Stop the bitching,  smoke their shit, laugh, get laid  and get on with it. 

This sounds like the rant of a grumpy old cigar smoker to me.  😁

[cgoodrich]

When I first saw the thread title I immediately thought of Ken. 😆 

What it is, as we get to that retirement age we grow less patient with stupidity. Cigars actually make us less grumpy than we would be without them! 😂 

[Corylax18]

Haha. They don't have to be old, I'm in my mid 30's and I've probably arrived at "grumpy old cigar smoker"

I think this is more of an internet thing than a cigar thing, some of the grumpiest old a**holes on the forum are still great guys to enjoy a cigar with, in person. 

I can speak from experience that the constant deluge of new (and often short lived) members asking the same 5 stupid questions does get old and I completely understand the often "grumpy" replies.

1. Are my Cohibas fake? 2. What is the best Cuban cigar? 3. What is the best RH to store my cigars at? 4. Why doesn't every one of my cigars smoke perfectly from tip to tail? 5. Are vintage cigars worth the price? 

[SCgarman]

1 hour ago, RDB said:

It’s simple. Cigar smokers are smart. Getting older sucks. Therefore old cigar smokers are grumpy.

Getting older may "suck", but is sure as hell beats dying young. Which has been a history in my family. I think with age, we become less tolerant of all the BS some humans have to offer. Personally I enjoy my two dogs and parrot more than most humans. Far less drama! 

 

[Hammer Smokin']

I peruse the cuban cigar reddit channel. 

Cory, you'd die. 

It's way worse there. I guess reddit normally attracts young newbies...but it's next level.

[karp]

Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know (Hemingway). 

...or

As intelligence goes up, happiness goes down (Lisa Simpson)

[Capn_Jackson]

I’m 41, but I’ve been a grumpy cigar smoker since I was 16.

Get off my lawn!

 

Just kidding…  😄

[El Presidente]

7 hours ago, Corylax18 said:

I think this is more of an internet thing than a cigar thing, some of the grumpiest old a**holes on the forum are still great guys to enjoy a cigar with, in person.

True Cory. 

I am blessed to get to spend time with cigar lovers across the globe and the vast majority are stand up people. 

Let's face it, this is not a "cigar world" issue. Internet platforms have transformed the way communication is undertaken. It is not enough to have a YT channel, FB page, Twitter or Threads account. You have to "stand out" and find your tribe. Some do it exceptionally well. Some swing for the cheap seats. 

Change in the cigar world has come at a rate of knots over the past two decades but the pace of change has accelerated in the past 5 years. It certainly makes a host of people uncomfortable, causes angst and that angst now has an immediate voice. 

Kudos to all here who take the time to travel the high road when the going gets "sticky". 

 

[Chas.Alpha]

4 hours ago, El Presidente said:

Kudos to all here who take the time to travel the high road when the going gets "sticky". 

Welp, that leaves me out of this conversation. 😬

[Hammer Smokin']

Let's face it, what had created the most angst in the last few years has been the unreasonable pace of price increase.

 

[Greenhorn2]

Maybe because the $10 cigars we love to smoke now cost us $40?

[Chas.Alpha]

12 minutes ago, Greenhorn2 said:

Maybe because the $10 cigars we love to smoke now cost us $40?

No. I think it’s more of remembering the days when I would wake up at 0530 and bounce out of bed, into the shower and be on my way 8 minutes later. Now, it’s a 45 minute ordeal with some days asking my wife’s help to put my socks on…😔

[Greenhorn2]

Just now, Chas.Alpha said:

No. I think it’s more of remembering the days when I would wake up at 0530 and bounce out of bed, into the shower and be on my way 8 minutes later. Now, it’s a 45 minute ordeal with some days asking my wife’s help to put my socks on…😔

Yep, that also has a lot to do with it. And the pain you have to endure to get that box of cigars off the bottom shelf of the humidor.

[Chas.Alpha]

6 minutes ago, Greenhorn2 said:

Yep, that also has a lot to do with it. And the pain you have to endure to get that box of cigars off the bottom shelf of the humidor.

At the bottom of my cabinet is a 5 coffin box of Monte A. Perhaps an inside joke. 😀

[El Presidente]

4 hours ago, Hammer Smokin' said:

Let's face it, what had created the most angst in the last few years has been the unreasonable pace of price increase.

That is not an easy one to get over! 

Still, I made a pact in 2022, not to let myself get upset by the idiotic decisions of others. 

They are just cigars people, just cigars. 

.....they are still Fwits however 

[Hammer Smokin']

You not only decided to not let yourself get upset, Prez you took control of your fortunes (and futures), in your own hands. 

Many people gave advise on your recent EAR from the young fella considering his career choices. I bet any personal advice you may have shared could have been the most valuable. 

When you let it slip that you sold some of your prized collection to fund this venture, it's literally the example of taking lemons and making lemonade. 

 

 

[dominattorney]

6 hours ago, Corylax18 said:

Haha. They don't have to be old, I'm in my mid 30's and I've probably arrived at "grumpy old cigar smoker"

I think this is more of an internet thing than a cigar thing, some of the grumpiest old a**holes on the forum are still great guys to enjoy a cigar with, in person. 

I can speak from experience that the constant deluge of new (and often short lived) members asking the same 5 stupid questions does get old and I completely understand the often "grumpy" replies.

1. Are my Cohibas fake? 2. What is the best Cuban cigar? 3. What is the best RH to store my cigars at? 4. Why doesn't every one of my cigars smoke perfectly from tip to tail? 5. Are vintage cigars worth the price? 

If it weren't for those 5 questions, we'd all just be looking at stuff @El Presidente posted for us to put in our man caves. 

[ha_banos]

19 hours ago, SCgarman said:

Getting older may "suck", but is sure as hell beats dying young. Which has been a history in my family. I think with age, we become less tolerant of all the BS some humans have to offer. Personally I enjoy my two dogs and parrot more than most humans. Far less drama!

Ha. You know what rhymes with drama? ... <Insert relevant name here>

[El Presidente]

16 hours ago, Hammer Smokin' said:

You not only decided to not let yourself get upset, Prez you took control of your fortunes (and futures), in your own hands. 

Many people gave advise on your recent EAR from the young fella considering his career choices. I bet any personal advice you may have shared could have been the most valuable. 

When you let it slip that you sold some of your prized collection to fund this venture, it's literally the example of taking lemons and making lemonade.

Steve, you are a long time dead. It really wasn't a hard decision at all 

I grew up in a household with not much moola but loving parents. There was always laughter and food around the table. Top 5% in this world. 

I have three wonderful loving kids and a sensational loving wife. I have mates who are bone deep. 

As for advice to our EAR inquiry: Know your trade, do the due diligence,  throw the dice, give it everything you have. Enjoy the journey with a sense of  equanimity.Never be too far down nor too far full of yourself. 

I won't be writing a book on business any time soon. I have always segwayed too much for a lunch or dinner with those I come across who are interesting/enlightening/uplifting, be they entrepreneurs, plumbers, sparky's, teachers or candle stick makers. 

Life is beautiful both in the good times and the challenging ones. 

[joeypots]

21 hours ago, El Presidente said:

What is it about cigars that transforms  so many bright eyed and enthusiastic pilgrims into grumpy insufferable know it all bores within a decade? FB/Insta/You Tube, f**k me, it is like 10 years in cigars is equivalent to three tours of Afghanistan! How do some of these people have partners?

WTF do you care? MYOB and f’ off.

 

Truth be told I’m happier and more patient now than ever. I’m entering my 66th year, I’ve been smoking good cigars for 30 years, I’m healthy,  working less, and have never been more satisfied or content. I’d rather be lucky than smart.

[Corylax18]

15 hours ago, Hammer Smokin&#x27; said:

I peruse the cuban cigar reddit channel. 

Cory, you'd die. 

It's way worse there. I guess reddit normally attracts young newbies...but it's next level.

Haha. I'm well aware. I discovered years ago that Reddit is mostly chaff, with very little wheat. 

 

[Squarehead]

What gets me going is when the egg wants to be smarter than the chicken.

[Sandman]

What gets me going is when someone smokes literally 1 or 2 of a certain cigar total, and tries to speak with knowledge about that cigar and starts to opine one way or another in general about said cigar, as if an authority. It takes multiple boxes and different box codes to truly understand a cigar. I see this a lot, and certainly tons of times over the past 20 years I’ve been around cigar boards, and I think it’s really unfair to new smokers.