Ukraine

[MrBirdman]

1 hour ago, NSXCIGAR said:

To say they were scouring the world to find jews isn't accurate.

I guess I can follow Rob’s request since this is such ahistorical nonsense I don’t even know where to begin. 

[99call]

Poland's PM has confirmed that "the Polish border is open for all Ukrainians, even those without a valid ID document." He has even said that they are 'welcome to bring their pets with them'.

 

Wow,  warms the soul

[MrBirdman]

Just now, 99call said:

Poland's PM has confirmed that "the Polish border is open for all Ukrainians, even those without a valid ID document." He has even said that they are 'welcome to bring their pets with them'.

 

Wow,  warms the soul

Bravo Poland. 

[BEVOSREVENGE]

[Bijan]

18 minutes ago, 99call said:

Poland's PM has confirmed that "the Polish border is open for all Ukrainians, even those without a valid ID document." He has even said that they are 'welcome to bring their pets with them'.

 

Wow,  warms the soul

This guy just walked to Poland:

https://twitter.com/ukrainelive2022/status/1497106536828710912?s=21

[NSXCIGAR]

4 hours ago, Ken Gargett said:

said that i was assuming you were not a holocaust denier. not that you were. to suggest that i have labelled you as a holocaust denier is completely false. 

No, you did not label me as one but I'm baffled as to how any of my comments even had you considering it as a possibility.

Just another example of how questioning even a small detail from the sacrosanct mainstream narrative results in thoughts of possibly being some kind of radical. 

[Ken Gargett]

1 hour ago, NSXCIGAR said:

No, you did not label me as one but I'm baffled as to how any of my comments even had you considering it as a possibility.

Just another example of how questioning even a small detail from the sacrosanct mainstream narrative results in thoughts of possibly being some kind of radical. 

sometimes mainstream is mainstream for a reason. i have seen absolutely nothing from yourself or anyone to provide a creditable argument to the contrary on this. 

without looking at you or anyone in particular, there are a great many people, and certainly not just here, who like to cloak themselves in maverick status as though it infers some extra insight into issues. the old 'i don't think like everyone else therefore i must be right' argument. and i am not saying that there are not occasions when i have probably done the same or when that argument gets up. but not here. 

as one of our members has said, something about walking, quacking, looking like a duck... 

[NSXCIGAR]

2 hours ago, Ken Gargett said:

sometimes mainstream is mainstream for a reason.

Yes, but in too many cases in the last 30 years it's for the wrong reason. What's the mainstream narrative on the Kennedy assassination for example?

In my experience there's always something wholly inaccurate or at least highly misleading in any modern mainstream narrative. When it comes to topics that have become politically charged the mainstream is usually at best half correct and is often 100% wrong. 

Confirmation bias, cognitive dissonance and groupthink are always nipping at our heels. As Socrates advised we should always ask ourselves how it is we know what we purport to know. 

[BrightonCorgi]

Sounds like a Russia - Ukraine summit is going to happen in Tel Aviv.

[BEVOSREVENGE]

 

[Corylax18]

23 hours ago, BrightonCorgi said:

If his intent was the best time to invade Ukraine, he picked the right time.  Weak US leadership and fickle NATO; rising inflation & oil, and further alliance with China.

Taiwan must be very nervous right now.  If US and NATO get deep into it with Ukraine, US won't be able to stop China going into Taiwan at all.  US cannot beat Russia in a conventional war as it is.  US public has no appetite for confrontation of either country.

Have you watched anything other than Russian propaganda recently?

I literally spit some of my coffee out when I read "US cannot beat Russia in a conventional war as it is." Thank you for the belly laugh to start my day!

The United States has enough air and naval forces, in theatre, the wipe the Russian military off the face of the planet. Their technology is Decades behind ours and we just spent the last 20 years practicing, all over the middle east. Not to mention the devastating cyber war we would engage in. 

They're struggling against the Ukrainians for gods sake!! A military far smaller and worse equipped than the Russian army. The only way Russia "wins" any war against NATO is by killing us all. 

I can tell you, the Appetite is growing. Quickly. Many of our more "hawkish" military and political figure have taken their lumps over the last few years and rightfully so. But it turns out, maybe they where right about a lot of this. 

 

7 hours ago, BrightonCorgi said:

Sounds like a Russia - Ukraine summit is going to happen in Tel Aviv.

Why would Putin waste his time negotiating with "Nazi Drug Addicts"? That massive capitulation would be a tough sell to his citizens at this point.

Sounds like a distraction now that their ground forces have been all but halted. Running out of fuel, ammunition and will as we speak. 

Have you seen Zelenskyy's Videos from Kyiv over the last 12 hours? He's pretty much taunting Putin at this point. 

[BEVOSREVENGE]

This photo is marketing genius, how long before it goes globally viral?

 

[helix]

1 hour ago, Corylax18 said:

Why would Putin waste his time negotiating with "Nazi Drug Addicts"? That massive capitulation would be a tough sell to his citizens at this point.

Sounds like a distraction now that their ground forces have been all but halted. Running out of fuel, ammunition and will as we speak. 

Have you seen Zelenskyy's Videos from Kyiv over the last 12 hours? He's pretty much taunting Putin at this point. 

Those young Russia soldiers are having a hard time seeing there fellow Slav's the Ukrainian's as an enemy. 

[Bijan]

2 hours ago, Corylax18 said:

They're struggling against the Ukrainians for gods sake!! A military far smaller and worse equipped than the Russian army. The only way Russia "wins" any war against NATO is by killing us all. 

This is partly the state of modern warfare in our age. It is very hard to invade (and then to hold) all but the smallest/weakest of countries.

[LizardGizmo]

A Prayer for Volodymyr Zelensky

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/02/volodymyr-zelensky-ukraine-president/622938/

A well-written article on the unexpected courage and determination of Zelenskyy, a former comedian.

 

[BEVOSREVENGE]

 

 

[helix]

33 minutes ago, bambambam said:

A Prayer for Volodymyr Zelensky

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/02/volodymyr-zelensky-ukraine-president/622938/

A well-written article on the unexpected courage and determination of Zelenskyy, a former comedian.

 

One hell of a Man.

[MrBirdman]

13 hours ago, NSXCIGAR said:

Yes, but in too many cases in the last 30 years it's for the wrong reason. What's the mainstream narrative on the Kennedy assassination for example?

There is only one good reason for something to be widely accepted: whether it's true or not. Most people believe Oswalt killed Kennedy because the overwhelming evidence demonstrates he did so and acted alone. I know you might point to "unrevealed sources" but that's a red herring. As with the "faked" moon landings, there are some conspiracies that collapse under close examination.  

And, for the record, all modern research on the Third Reich points overwhelmingly to its leadership planning a war of extermination from the outset of their regime. I'm not gonna act like a prig and list everything I have read on the subject, but suffice it to say it's both voluminous and diverse.  

 

2 hours ago, helix said:

One hell of a Man.

Zelensky to EU Leaders: “The fight is here. I need ammunition, not a ride [out].”

The Churchill of Ukraine.

[Nevrknow]

5 hours ago, BEVOSREVENGE said:

This photo is marketing genius, how long before it goes globally viral?

Actually an incredibly useful battle tactic. Without air support ground troops are greatly hindered in a lot of ways. 

[Chas.Alpha]

It seems that the Russian troops don’t know why they’re there or even where they’re going. 

[BEVOSREVENGE]

33 minutes ago, Nevrknow said:

Actually an incredibly useful battle tactic. Without air support ground troops are greatly hindered in a lot of ways. 

Yes, timely too since the dominos appear to be falling Ukraine's way.  

Will it be enough?  

Will Kviv survive the night? 

[Nevrknow]

They can if enough civilians take them up on free weapons. But then again, would you take up arms to help an oppressive regime defeat an enemy that’s just as oppressive as the invaders? From the outside looking in that’s a hard call. 

[RedLantern]

6 minutes ago, Nevrknow said:

 But then again, would you take up arms to help an oppressive regime defeat an enemy that’s just as oppressive as the invaders? From the outside looking in that’s a hard call. 

Dulce et decorum est

[BEVOSREVENGE]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[99call]

 

 

President Zelensky has turned down an offer from the US to help him evacuate, according to reports in the States. "I need ammunition, not a ride"

 

Love Zelensky, Balls of steel.   He may of been a comedian in a previous life, and he's sure enough making clear that the joke is on Putin. 

 

I hope Zelensky lives to tell the tale, because he's showing the international stage what real 'strongman politics' look like,   legend