Tipping....should they be shared?

[Ken Gargett]

Just now, El Presidente said:

Apparently he has never received it. 

.......I have never seen him put his hand in his pocket once people 

that is true. you have never seen it. because as soon as there is any hint of the bill, there is a cloud of dust as you rush to hide in the gents. 

[El Presidente]

11 hours ago, Ken Gargett said:

that is true. you have never seen it. because as soon as there is any hint of the bill, there is a cloud of dust as you rush to hide in the gents. 

This from a man who still carries a coin purse.....

[Ken Gargett]

11 hours ago, El Presidente said:

This from a man who still carries a coin purse.....

and what exactly woke the brother grimm up early today. a purse. seriously? that is the best you can come up with? bad hangover? 

[MrBirdman]

18 hours ago, Fuzz said:

I'm already paying 10-15% more by tipping, so what's the difference if that 10-15% is included in the price?

In the US there is a funny quirk where organizations fighting for a better minimum wage typically want service staff included, whereas the present minimum wage for tipped restaurant staff is $2.83/hr (although employers are responsible for the difference up to $7.25 if tips don't cover it). Understandably restaurants don't like the idea, but neither do most tipped restaurant employees.

Some high end restaurants, like Per Se in New York, have begun including service in the meal price and paying their staff a salary (though you can leave an additional gratuity if you wish). The result? Seasoned veterans of high-end establishments (who can pull down six figures at the best restaurants) won't work there. I've eaten at per se two or three times since then, and all my waitstaff were under-30's. 

That's an extreme example, but it illustrates why the majority of current restaurant waitstaff believe they can earn more working for tips. I also think there is a psychological element - when you're tipped out you feel more "in control" of your earning, rather than having "the man" set your salary. Tips also compensate for working busy shifts.

All this is to say that @Nino will need to continue bringing his ransom money! 😉

[Chas.Alpha]

I'll recap a post I made some months ago. When I was at the LCDH at the Libre, I was tipping the shopkeep/bartender what I consider "American." $2 peso drink, $1 peso tip. After about 5 Cristals, he who once told me that they didn't have any Fundies now managed to bring TWO boxes out from the room catty-corner from the walk-in humi. He asked if I wanted both, but I bought only 1. (ARS 19) 

Go ahead and say it..." WHAT AN IDIOT!!!"

I've always looked at tipping, especially abroad, as a show of appreciation. Also remember, in the states the service industry workers make around $3 an hour with the rest made up by tips.

[Fuzz]

2 hours ago, RedLantern said:

A cashier is not a server.

 

server

/ˈsəːvə/

noun: server; plural noun: servers

1. 1.

   a person or thing that serves.

At the fast food joint does somebody cook the food and hand it to you, or do you pay them then go make it yourself? What about a restaurant cashier? (I have been to places where this was a job separate from wait staff) If tips are pooled in a restaurant, do they miss out?

What is the difference if I buy a burger from 5 Guys, a food truck, or a diner?

 

[BrightonCorgi]

1 hour ago, joeypots said:

2.13$/hour in the early '80s, If I remember correctly in Massachusetts. My credit card tips would be listed on my pay check and the hourly wage would rarely pay the taxes due. Cash tips were supposed to be declared but I don't know of anyone who didn't fudge that #.

Like the house of pizza owner who only makes 30K year, but has 3 kids in Ivy league school and new Cadillac.

[WarriorPrincess]

3 hours ago, clint said:

I think it should be mandatory to tip Di for every purchase.  😀

I second this 

 

[La_Tigre]

10 hours ago, Fuzz said:

 

What is the difference if I buy a burger from 5 Guys, a food truck, or a diner?

 

Very little in today’s age. Everyone has a hand out for the tip jar at the register and 25% expectations. Truly believe this is why it is desensitized to paying for excellent service in an actual sit down dining experience.

 

9 hours ago, WarriorPrincess said:

I second this 

Will there be a “tip out” percentage  to the PSP cook? 🤣

 

[RedLantern]

50 minutes ago, Fuzz said:

 

server

/ˈsəːvə/

noun: server; plural noun: servers

1. 1.

   a person or thing that serves.

At the fast food joint does somebody cook the food and hand it to you, or do you pay them then go make it yourself? What about a restaurant cashier? (I have been to places where this was a job separate from wait staff) If tips are pooled in a restaurant, do they miss out?

What is the difference if I buy a burger from 5 Guys, a food truck, or a diner?

 

The server in this context serves the guest, not the food. The difference lies in the fact that a good sever should act as as steward for the dining experience. This is much more complex than taking orders and making change. That can be done by a kiosk.

[Fuzz]

32 minutes ago, MrBirdman said:

In the US there is a funny quirk where organizations fighting for a better minimum wage typically want service staff included, whereas the present minimum wage for tipped restaurant staff is $2.83/hr (although employers are responsible for the difference up to $7.25 if tips don't cover it). Understandably restaurants don't like the idea, but neither do most tipped restaurant employees.

Some high end restaurants, like Per Se in New York, have begun including service in the meal price and paying their staff a salary (though you can leave an additional gratuity if you wish). The result? Seasoned veterans of high-end establishments (who can pull down six figures at the best restaurants) won't work there. I've eaten at per se two or three times since then, and all my waitstaff were under-30's. 

That's an extreme example, but it illustrates why the majority of current restaurant waitstaff believe they can earn more working for tips. I also think there is a psychological element - when you're tipped out you feel more "in control" of your earning, rather than having "the man" set your salary. Tips also compensate for working busy shifts.

All this is to say that @Nino will need to continue bringing his ransom money! 😉

Minimum wage in Aus is about USD14/hr. Personally, I think it should be bumped up a bit more to USD18/hr as standard, not including overtime or weekend rates. That would give you a base yearly wage of USD35k (38hr work week). Higher end restaurants could pay more than that to keep better staff.

 

[Ken Gargett]

2 minutes ago, Fuzz said:

Minimum wage in Aus is about USD14/hr. Personally, I think it should be bumped up a bit more to USD18/hr as standard, not including overtime or weekend rates. That would give you a base yearly wage of USD35k (38hr work week). Higher end restaurants could pay more than that to keep better staff.

 

madness fuzz! think of how much rob would have to jack up cigar prices if he is forced to pay Di and the munchkins more. 

[El Presidente]

2 minutes ago, Ken Gargett said:

madness fuzz! think of how much rob would have to jack up cigar prices if he is forced to pay Di and the munchkins more. 

Prices would remain the same. i would just cut back on your free ones. 

[Ken Gargett]

4 minutes ago, El Presidente said:

Prices would remain the same. i would just cut back on your free ones. 

oh if only!

whoever first said there is no such thing as a free lunch was a wise and prophetic man. 

and speaking of work, vid tomorrow? time? 

[helix]

4 hours ago, BrightonCorgi said:

MA still has no liquor bottle controls or meters.  Tip very large on the first round and then let reciprocity & good will take its place for the rest of the night.

Ask for port wine in a red wine glass 😉

Set the tone. To.Insure.Prompt.Service  TIPS  only works upfront . 😉

[Meklown]

10 hours ago, SCgarman said:

If this is aimed at me, I don't impose my way of life on anybody. And it's not my place to go there.

Not sure where the American resentment comes from?

I sincerely apologise if it seemed aimed at you .. it wasn't!

[traveller]

The most galling time I've ever been asked to tip is when JFK switched over to having all the bars where you order through a tablet, I couldn't even order a beer from the bartender if I wanted to they redirected me to the screen. At that point they were a glorified robot.  As someone who has been a bartender I want to talk to a fing person! not a screen, that's what the tip is for not taking a beer out of the cooler.

I can't speak to waiters, but I definitely think bartender tips should be pooled.

[NSXCIGAR]

6 hours ago, joeypots said:

2.13$/hour in the early '80s, If I remember correctly in Massachusetts. My credit card tips would be listed on my pay check and the hourly wage would rarely pay the taxes due. Cash tips were supposed to be declared but I don't know of anyone who didn't fudge that #.

I'm not sure it was that high. It's currently $5.55, and regular minimum wage in the mid 80s was $3.35. When I started working it was $3.75. I recall in the early-mid 90s it was definitely in the low $2 range. 

People rarely used credit cards then anyway. That was the rub. 90% of the server's income was tax free. Everyone knew it and no one cared if servers paid taxes. Not exactly the top 1%. 

[El Presidente]

1 minute ago, NSXCIGAR said:

Not exactly the top 1%. 

The top 1% don't pay tax either........they have that in common 

[NSXCIGAR]

9 hours ago, Fuzz said:

 

server

/ˈsəːvə/

noun: server; plural noun: servers

1. 1.

   a person or thing that serves.

To be fair "server" is a 21st century PC term and not specific enough to a restaurant setting. They were "waiters" and "waitresses" for a few hundred years until that became offensive. If someone said server in the 1980s we would have thought of tennis.

wait·er

/ˈwādər/

 

noun

1. 1.

   a man whose job is to serve customers at their tables in a restaurant.

[Fuzz]

1 hour ago, NSXCIGAR said:

To be fair "server" is a 21st century PC term and not specific enough to a restaurant setting. They were "waiters" and "waitresses" for a few hundred years until that became offensive. If someone said server in the 1980s we would have thought of tennis.

wait·er

/ˈwādər/

 

noun

1. 1.

   a man whose job is to serve customers at their tables in a restaurant.

 

Well, it was that or  "food mule", but that was quickly vetoed.

[Ken Gargett]

14 hours ago, Heels82 said:

Read a book on tipping.  Worked near an Aussie Embassy.   Garbage tippers plus I had to listen to shit stories!.  10%.  

there is always the possibility that they tipped as they saw fit. 

[Andy04]

A serious question... from somebody that lives in a world where tipping is a foreign concept.

For places that automatically add a gratuity to bills (i.e, parties of 6 or more will have an 18% gratuity automatically added to the bill), does this 18% count as a tip?

Or do you still put your 15-25% down on top of whatever the total bill comes to?

[Bijan]

29 minutes ago, Andy04 said:

For places that automatically add a gratuity to bills (i.e, parties of 6 or more will have an 18% gratuity automatically added to the bill), does this 18% count as a tip?

 

Yes.

29 minutes ago, Andy04 said:

Or do you still put your 15-25% down on top of whatever the total bill comes to?

No

[Andy04]

7 hours ago, Bijan said:

Yes.

No

Do you still tip anything on top of the 18%?