virus idiots - you could not make it up

[Ken Gargett]

police are now fining people who will not isolate and are without a good reason.

first moron - told twice by the cops to go home. ignored them twice. went and bought a kebab and sat on the beach, near the cops, eating it. that cost him a grand!!!

but the winner - 

In Albury a 51-year-old man was fined after he was involved in a minor car accident and allegedly told police he had left his home in order to visit his drug dealer. He was later found to have a disqualified driving licence.

[Puros Y Vino]

I haven't found the article online yet, but I've heard that someone received the max fine of $100,000 for throwing a party in a small suburb outside of Toronto.  ?  The depths of stupidity have yet to be reached it seems.

[99call]

36 minutes ago, Ken Gargett said:

police are now fining people who will not isolate and are without a good reason.

first moron - told twice by the cops to go home. ignored them twice. went and bought a kebab and sat on the beach, near the cops, eating it. that cost him a grand!!!

but the winner - 

In Albury a 51-year-old man was fined after he was involved in a minor car accident and allegedly told police he had left his home in order to visit his drug dealer. He was later found to have a disqualified driving licence.

Some scumbag in the UK, as just been jailed for coughing in the face of the Police (after pulling him over for drink driving).  He was saying he had the virus, to try and avoid being thrown in the back of a riot van.     I hope they through an German Shepard in the back, and said,"try and cough in Rex's face"

[Deeg]

Soccer (football) fans will mention Jack Graelish, whose bellend tendencies are as massive as his talent.  Recently left his house to party at the home of a friend (another footballer) in London, got drunk and crashed his car into a number of parked vehicles.

[SigmundChurchill]

Meanwhile, NYC subway cars are still full of “essential workers”.  The MTA in all their brilliance cut down the number of trains traveling, so the trains that ARE running, are full.  

In my opinion, the subway is one of the major reasons it got so bad in NYC in the first place. This virus is stable on steel for 3 days, so it is likely that many of those cars are filled with coronavirus. A guy with coronavirus sits down, or stands and holds the rail, he leaves, but not before leaving his mark. Who knows how many people will touch it in the next 2 or 3 days? Then they bring it home to their families, and whoever their families have contact with, and so on. And the subway cars are still full, to this day!

This is insanity.

[mbflash80]

26 minutes ago, SigmundChurchill said:

Meanwhile, NYC subway cars are still full of “essential workers”.  The MTA in all their brilliance cut down the number of trains traveling, so the trains that ARE running, are full.  

In my opinion, the subway is one of the major reasons it got so bad in NYC in the first place. This virus is stable on steel for 3 days, so it is likely that many of those cars are filled with coronavirus. A guy with coronavirus sits down, or stands and holds the rail, he leaves, but not before leaving his mark. Who knows how many people will touch it in the next 2 or 3 days? Then they bring it home to their families, and whoever their families have contact with, and so on. And the subway cars are still full, to this day!

This is insanity.

This sounds very plausible to someone (me) who has little knowledge on how these things spread...I only wonder why here in the bay area it has not been as rampant...BART is essentially the same deal as the NY subway system...hundreds on thousands of riders every day before the new rules hit.

[SigmundChurchill]

11 minutes ago, mbflash80 said:

This sounds very plausible to someone (me) who has little knowledge on how these things spread...I only wonder why here in the bay area it has not been as rampant...BART is essentially the same deal as the NY subway system...hundreds on thousands of riders every day before the new rules hit.

The key to virus spread, is containing it before it hits a critical mass.  I think the critical mass in NYC was reached before they started doing anything about it, which I dont think is true for SF.  I dont know enough about the San Francisco situation to make an informed comment.  All I can do is make educated guesses.  What is the ridership numbers compared to NY.  Where were are most of the riders coming from, and where are they going?  In the case with NY, a large portion of the riders travel from the early hard hit areas of Brooklyn and Queens, into Manhattan.  How often do they clean the BART cars compared to how often they clean the NYC subway cars?  Are the BART trains still running?  Are the cars full, like in NYC?  There are a lot of factors to consider.

[Xavier_Dredo]

Meanwhile, NYC subway cars are still full of “essential workers”.  The MTA in all their brilliance cut down the number of trains traveling, so the trains that ARE running, are full.  
In my opinion, the subway is one of the major reasons it got so bad in NYC in the first place. This virus is stable on steel for 3 days, so it is likely that many of those cars are filled with coronavirus. A guy with coronavirus sits down, or stands and holds the rail, he leaves, but not before leaving his mark. Who knows how many people will touch it in the next 2 or 3 days? Then they bring it home to their families, and whoever their families have contact with, and so on. And the subway cars are still full, to this day!
This is insanity.

Scene from the 2 train:

[NSXCIGAR]

7 hours ago, Ken Gargett said:

In Albury a 51-year-old man was fined after he was involved in a minor car accident and allegedly told police he had left his home in order to visit his drug dealer.

You just have to respect this kind of honesty...

[cigcars]

10 hours ago, bundwallah said:

I haven't found the article online yet, but I've heard that someone received the max fine of $100,000 for throwing a party in a small suburb outside of Toronto.  ?  The depths of stupidity have yet to be reached it seems.

 

[Ken Gargett]

22 minutes ago, cigcars said:

 

that i love!

[gweilgi]

What about the utter twat who filmed himself saying "who's scared of the coronavirus?" and then licking toiletry items in a supermarket?

He ended up arrested and charged with making a terrorist threat.  Good.

[joncat]

11 hours ago, bundwallah said:

I haven't found the article online yet, but I've heard that someone received the max fine of $100,000 for throwing a party in a small suburb outside of Toronto.  ?  The depths of stupidity have yet to be reached it seems.

Frank:

I read about a backyard party in Brampton where 20 people were totally disregarding the social distancing protocol. They were charged. The fines are from $500 to $100,00.  It will ultimately be up to the judge to decide.  Stupid, stupid, stupid.

Stay safe everyone.

[Kitchen]

9 hours ago, Xavier_Dredo said:

Scene from the 2 train:

The sad reality of it is that we know nothing other then people will die, more people will die if we go out, and, now, over half of those who get it will have no symptoms what so ever.  (That just came in curtesy of studies in Iceland and Vo, Italy.)

We have no idea how many more will die if we go back to life as normal nor do we know how many more will die if we have some kind of controlled activity.  If we go back to normal, will 50K or 5M additional people die?  No one knows anything.  Even the experts are now doubting the same exact models they themselves helped create, not to mention all of the models have an extremely large range of expectations that no experts agree on.  

This is completely unacceptable given the restrictions we have been put under.  Here, in the USA, it will work for another two or three weeks, but as soon as real economic damage starts to become apparent, no one will care anymore.  If no concrete answers start coming out, people will look at that 50% don't get any symptoms and start thinking about the well being of their family more so then the unlucky few who get the lottery ticket on this thing and die, and will get back outside getting back to life as normal.  

People need to eat and provide food and shelter for their family.  This will very quickly become the mentality.  If you dont believe so, just look at Southern Italy, which is just starting to riot and loot stores.  

A retired medical and pharma researcher whom I know that has been working on this without pay, out of his own heart, has told me that until you start hearing about testing for every known antibody of COVID type viruses trying to determine who had this, is immuned and no longer can spread so they can get back to work, then your government (no matter where they are) has no clue what they are doing.  

I think the economic effects of these shut downs are going to turn ugly real fast.  In the USA, they are predicting a possible 32% unemployment from these shutdowns in only a few months.  That is a higher amount then during the Great Depression.  What is not taught about the 30s is that there were many riots due to the economic conditions.  It will get ugly real damn fast unless these restrictions are eased.  

I would imagine a few governments will fall due to this, and would say it is 50/50 odds this will cause the EU to break up in the next year or two.

[nKostyan]

Astrophysicist gets magnets stuck up nose while inventing coronavirus device
Australian Dr Daniel Reardon ended up in hospital after inserting magnets in his nostrils while building a necklace that warns you when you touch your face.


https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/mar/30/astrophysicist-gets-magnets-stuck-up-nose-while-inventing-coronavirus-device

[Ken Gargett]

38 minutes ago, nKostyan said:

Astrophysicist gets magnets stuck up nose while inventing coronavirus device
Australian Dr Daniel Reardon ended up in hospital after inserting magnets in his nostrils while building a necklace that warns you when you touch your face.


https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/mar/30/astrophysicist-gets-magnets-stuck-up-nose-while-inventing-coronavirus-device

i love the pic of his discharge summary. priceless. 

[Eric05]

11 hours ago, Kitchen said:

The sad reality of it is that we know nothing other then people will die, more people will die if we go out, and, now, over half of those who get it will have no symptoms what so ever.  (That just came in curtesy of studies in Iceland and Vo, Italy.)

We have no idea how many more will die if we go back to life as normal nor do we know how many more will die if we have some kind of controlled activity.  If we go back to normal, will 50K or 5M additional people die?  No one knows anything.  Even the experts are now doubting the same exact models they themselves helped create, not to mention all of the models have an extremely large range of expectations that no experts agree on.  

This is completely unacceptable given the restrictions we have been put under.  Here, in the USA, it will work for another two or three weeks, but as soon as real economic damage starts to become apparent, no one will care anymore.  If no concrete answers start coming out, people will look at that 50% don't get any symptoms and start thinking about the well being of their family more so then the unlucky few who get the lottery ticket on this thing and die, and will get back outside getting back to life as normal.  

People need to eat and provide food and shelter for their family.  This will very quickly become the mentality.  If you dont believe so, just look at Southern Italy, which is just starting to riot and loot stores.  

A retired medical and pharma researcher whom I know that has been working on this without pay, out of his own heart, has told me that until you start hearing about testing for every known antibody of COVID type viruses trying to determine who had this, is immuned and no longer can spread so they can get back to work, then your government (no matter where they are) has no clue what they are doing.  

I think the economic effects of these shut downs are going to turn ugly real fast.  In the USA, they are predicting a possible 32% unemployment from these shutdowns in only a few months.  That is a higher amount then during the Great Depression.  What is not taught about the 30s is that there were many riots due to the economic conditions.  It will get ugly real damn fast unless these restrictions are eased.  

I would imagine a few governments will fall due to this, and would say it is 50/50 odds this will cause the EU to break up in the next year or two.

I am not one to play politics at all. And not stating this for an argument with anyone here. I just truly believe. There is going to be no way in stopping this, even if you stay home. At a certain point the cases will slow down yes. But people are still going to be getting Covid until there is a cure. Did countries do the right thing by staying in, yes. But the suffering is going to be what comes next. People not going out, people not spending, losing jobs, its a double edge sword. The numbers they estimate I believe are the worst worst scenario. Is this bad, yes. But also believe the effects the media has played in this are going to be the greater of the effects to everyone else. I am at the point where I don't want to listen to the news anyone. I don't want to hear the president speak. I am just tired of it. And I believe many people are going to get to that point. People just want to earn for there families. And I go back to the swine flu, which yes was not as deadly. But we also didn't have a case counter for each case or a death count each day. People continued their normal lives everyday. 

[SigmundChurchill]

6 hours ago, nKostyan said:

Astrophysicist gets magnets stuck up nose while inventing coronavirus device
Australian Dr Daniel Reardon ended up in hospital after inserting magnets in his nostrils while building a necklace that warns you when you touch your face.


https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/mar/30/astrophysicist-gets-magnets-stuck-up-nose-while-inventing-coronavirus-device

He’s no rocket scientist.

.....oh...wait...

[SigmundChurchill]

24 minutes ago, Eric05 said:

I am not one to play politics at all. And not stating this for an argument with anyone here. I just truly believe. There is going to be no way in stopping this, even if you stay home. At a certain point the cases will slow down yes. But people are still going to be getting Covid until there is a cure. Did countries do the right thing by staying in, yes. But the suffering is going to be what comes next. People not going out, people not spending, losing jobs, its a double edge sword. The numbers they estimate I believe are the worst worst scenario. Is this bad, yes. But also believe the effects the media has played in this are going to be the greater of the effects to everyone else. I am at the point where I don't want to listen to the news anyone. I don't want to hear the president speak. I am just tired of it. And I believe many people are going to get to that point. People just want to earn for there families. And I go back to the swine flu, which yes was not as deadly. But we also didn't have a case counter for each case or a death count each day. People continued their normal lives everyday. 

It is a real dilemma, and there are no good answers.  All I know, is that if what is happening here, happens over the rest of the country, the death toll will be a lot higher than 100K-200K.  Maybe in the millions.  

My hope is that it turns out to be seasonal.  There is good and bad that goes along with that.  

The bad part is that we will see this again in the fall, and then yearly recurrences, rather than it playing out over the next 6 months to a year, if it is not seasonal.  

The good part is that if this is seasonal, it will taper off by summer, giving us a break where people can go back to business, and more importantly, buy us time to come up with treatment plans that work, and possibly even an expedited vaccine.  Plus, the reason this is so bad now is because it is a new virus that our bodies have never seen before.  Even when it mutates, a person who has had it will still mount an immune response, though it will be imperfect, and the virus will be less deadly, much like the common strains of the flu are now.  It’s like when people have the flu shot, they can often still get the flu, but it is milder than if they didn’t have the flu shot.  Which can be seen with flu mortality rates, which are predominantly made up of people who did not get the flu shot.  It may be a different strain or mutated virus, but, though imperfect, there is still an immune response. 

[Homer]

10 hours ago, nKostyan said:

Astrophysicist gets magnets stuck up nose while inventing coronavirus device
Australian Dr Daniel Reardon ended up in hospital after inserting magnets in his nostrils while building a necklace that warns you when you touch your face.


https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/mar/30/astrophysicist-gets-magnets-stuck-up-nose-while-inventing-coronavirus-device

I am ENT surgeon so welcome to my world. Stay safe and do not put anything in your nose or ears. Many things are easy to get in but difficult to get out!

[Habana Mike]

4 hours ago, Eric05 said:

I am not one to play politics at all. And not stating this for an argument with anyone here. I just truly believe. There is going to be no way in stopping this, even if you stay home. At a certain point the cases will slow down yes. But people are still going to be getting Covid until there is a cure. Did countries do the right thing by staying in, yes. But the suffering is going to be what comes next. People not going out, people not spending, losing jobs, its a double edge sword. The numbers they estimate I believe are the worst worst scenario. Is this bad, yes. But also believe the effects the media has played in this are going to be the greater of the effects to everyone else. I am at the point where I don't want to listen to the news anyone. I don't want to hear the president speak. I am just tired of it. And I believe many people are going to get to that point. People just want to earn for there families. And I go back to the swine flu, which yes was not as deadly. But we also didn't have a case counter for each case or a death count each day. People continued their normal lives everyday. 

Agreed regarding the news media, politicians, case/death counters and people needing to be able to take care of their own. Not sure what the right way forward is.

For us, we can stay in for the long haul. Our children though are both out of work.

Hoping the government subsidizes them enough to get by. If not, we'll be taking care of them too. Just paid both of their rents on top of our mortgage.

Praying we find a vaccine and treatments soon.

[CaptainQuintero]

19 hours ago, Kitchen said:

The sad reality of it is that we know nothing other then people will die, more people will die if we go out, and, now, over half of those who get it will have no symptoms what so ever.  (That just came in curtesy of studies in Iceland and Vo, Italy.)

We have no idea how many more will die if we go back to life as normal nor do we know how many more will die if we have some kind of controlled activity.  If we go back to normal, will 50K or 5M additional people die?  No one knows anything.  Even the experts are now doubting the same exact models they themselves helped create, not to mention all of the models have an extremely large range of expectations that no experts agree on.  

This is completely unacceptable given the restrictions we have been put under.  Here, in the USA, it will work for another two or three weeks, but as soon as real economic damage starts to become apparent, no one will care anymore.  If no concrete answers start coming out, people will look at that 50% don't get any symptoms and start thinking about the well being of their family more so then the unlucky few who get the lottery ticket on this thing and die, and will get back outside getting back to life as normal.  

People need to eat and provide food and shelter for their family.  This will very quickly become the mentality.  If you dont believe so, just look at Southern Italy, which is just starting to riot and loot stores.  

A retired medical and pharma researcher whom I know that has been working on this without pay, out of his own heart, has told me that until you start hearing about testing for every known antibody of COVID type viruses trying to determine who had this, is immuned and no longer can spread so they can get back to work, then your government (no matter where they are) has no clue what they are doing.  

I think the economic effects of these shut downs are going to turn ugly real fast.  In the USA, they are predicting a possible 32% unemployment from these shutdowns in only a few months.  That is a higher amount then during the Great Depression.  What is not taught about the 30s is that there were many riots due to the economic conditions.  It will get ugly real damn fast unless these restrictions are eased.  

I would imagine a few governments will fall due to this, and would say it is 50/50 odds this will cause the EU to break up in the next year or two.

  You're missing the bigger picture here, it's not as simple as economy Vs people dying, it's about the survival of the healthcare systems of a nation.

  If the lockdown measures are not in place to slow the infection rate, those people who 'lose the lottery' will swamp the hospitals and overwhelm it and everyone working there. The staff, from newly qualified to near retirement will be burnt out, have large numbers of deaths and the logistics behind running a nationwide system will collapse.

  When things reach pandemic stage it's not about lives or the economy per say, it's about there being a systems left when it ends.

  If there's no lockdown then you end up with no hospitals, doctors, nurses, supply chain, logistics etc etc. Now any thoughts of the economy are gone because this healthy workforce who were lucky enough to not catch covid will have no system to look after them from the day to day illnesses/injuries/accidents that enable a functional economy.

  If you don't slow down the rate of infection then when this has finished you will be effectively be in a situation where your whole healthcare system is starting afresh from a scorched earth policy. Or sub Saharan Africa  survival rates for births, illnesses, disease, general health for those who are left.

  The heathcare systems right now are at breaking point, and the peaks are not anywhere near yet 

  

[99call]

33 minutes ago, CaptainQuintero said:

it's about the survival of the healthcare systems of a nation.

so perfectly put.........this is what so many capitalist models miss.   It's not like lawyers or bankers, there is an infinite number of greedy, self serving types, you can pick them of the street ten a penny........but people who will put their their lives on the line above a stranger.......well........wow!!!! they are rare

If the health service professionals get knocked out...........well............thats it!.............you cant follow a manual, it requires real dedication, desire, aptitude, and one on one tuition. 

[Kitchen]

1 hour ago, CaptainQuintero said:

  You're missing the bigger picture here, it's not as simple as economy Vs people dying, it's about the survival of the healthcare systems of a nation.

  If the lockdown measures are not in place to slow the infection rate, those people who 'lose the lottery' will swamp the hospitals and overwhelm it and everyone working there. The staff, from newly qualified to near retirement will be burnt out, have large numbers of deaths and the logistics behind running a nationwide system will collapse.

  When things reach pandemic stage it's not about lives or the economy per say, it's about there being a systems left when it ends.

  If there's no lockdown then you end up with no hospitals, doctors, nurses, supply chain, logistics etc etc. Now any thoughts of the economy are gone because this healthy workforce who were lucky enough to not catch covid will have no system to look after them from the day to day illnesses/injuries/accidents that enable a functional economy.

  If you don't slow down the rate of infection then when this has finished you will be effectively be in a situation where your whole healthcare system is starting afresh from a scorched earth policy. Or sub Saharan Africa  survival rates for births, illnesses, disease, general health for those who are left.

  The heathcare systems right now are at breaking point, and the peaks are not anywhere near yet 

  

Oh I get what your saying.  You’re just not getting human nature.  When real economic pain hits, in about a month, most won’t give a rat’s ass what you or any expert says.  They will start looting. 

When it hits the fan, people care more about their family and providing for them over strangers.  It will happen.  

How long do you really think those in service industry can last?  I know, I was once one of them.  Most not more then a month or two, max.

 

[cigcars]

16 hours ago, nKostyan said:

Astrophysicist gets magnets stuck up nose while inventing coronavirus device
Australian Dr Daniel Reardon ended up in hospital after inserting magnets in his nostrils while building a necklace that warns you when you touch your face.


https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/mar/30/astrophysicist-gets-magnets-stuck-up-nose-while-inventing-coronavirus-device

   We like to think WE had more sense when we were his age, but h-e-e-e-y-y. Basically - he's 27, y'all. What did ya expect...maturity???