Petit Robusto V Corona

[El Presidente]

From your perspective, why is it that the Petit Robusto vitola is so much more popular than the Corona?

Yes I know that there are few coronas around today....but when they were around they really didn't move (Bolivar/Partagas come to mind). 

I mean, there can't be 10 minutes smoking time between each......and yet?

If I were to offer you a choice between a perfect PSP Monte petit Edmundo or a perfect PSP Montectisto Number 3.......which would you choose.  Have a crack at the polls for me. 

Kick this one around for me. Why?

[MrGlass]

I am biased against the Petit Robusto and refuse to buy them because I think it is stupid size, so both Coronas got my votes.  I can't give you any more justification than that - it's simply personal preference.

While this may not be what you are looking for, if the sizes were reversed in your question it would be a valid answer.

[losttrailer]

I have no idea. I like to smoke the HdM Petit Robusto though, even more so the du Prince ( as long as i got some ). And the du Prince were ways cheaper.

23 minutes ago, El Presidente said:

Kick this one around for me. Why?

What does that mean ?

[kwsaw63]

Whilst I prefer Coronas as a size, it ultimately comes down to flavour for me, hence my pick of the Monte PE over the No.3

[MrGlass]

5 minutes ago, losttrailer said:

What does that mean ?

Basically it just means to casually discuss the topic as a group.

[BrightonCorgi]

In marketing speak, the corona is for old timers...  I find the corona is a perfect ratio of wrapper, filler, binder.

[Corylax18]

Its really a "feel" preference to me. A corona feels much better in the hand and mouth than a petite robusto does. I've had a few very tasty Petite Robustos and some very bad ones. Same with the Corona. I agree with @BrightonCorgi I like the ratio of leaf types better in any smaller ring cigar than I do a large ring cigar. 

[Wailbait]

Some friends of mine and I have discussed this topic ad nauseam.  I don’t smoke any petit robustos but they make a lot of them so they must be popular.  The Monte 3 is one of the only coronas left (and those don’t seem to turn up all that often).  I loved the old QdO.  Sad to see it go.  However, our discussion is mostly “there are certainly a lot of petit coronas out there - not so many coronas.” I believe the corona is the perfect size.  

[jwintosh]

I like the size of the corona, like a smaller version of a longsdale. Longdale is my favorite. So I choose the Monte 3.


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[Connoisseur Kim]

From your perspective, why is it that the Petit Robusto vitola is so much more popular than the Corona? Yes I know that there are few coronas around today....but when they were around they really didn't move (Bolivar/Partagas come to mind).  I mean, there can't be 10 minutes smoking time between each......and yet? If I were to offer you a choice between a perfect PSP Monte petit Edmundo or a perfect PSP Montectisto Number 3.......which would you choose.  Have a crack at the polls for me.  Kick this one around for me. Why? 

 

Although it is slightly off topic, I definitely choose Petit Corona (Mareva and Minuto) over Petit Robusto as most of Petit Robustos are mostly simlar to Petit Corona especially Minutos in terms of length, I found that Petit Robustos are not that worth to be stocked in my collection IMHO...     

 

For seeking longer experience, I definitely go with Grand Corona (almost simlar to Corona XD) and Dalia sized Lonsdale (will try in the future)... By the way, I believe that the Petit Robustos are popular in these days as they give full volume of smoke in short period of time which makes them suitable for fast paced modern lifestyles (look at Monte PE which is one of forum favourites).

[skalls]

The Monte is just a brilliant cigar.  Takes you on a familiar flavor ride and lasts 45m or so.  So if you don't have a ton of time it hits the spot.

[99call]

I would say the corona is the better size for flavour delivery/burn, but Monty PE is the better cigar.   So Monty PE and QDO Coronas........But I would take the QDO Coronas over all of them, different class

 

[BG1165]

Aged or ROTT? I prefer the corona/dbl corona but they need time down for a better draw. So, young = robusto, well rested = corona.

[foursite12]

I much prefer the Coronas size. The extra length seems to provide more of an evolution during the smoke time and it has a better feel in both the hand and the mouth.

The No. 3 kills the PE.  The QdO Coronas is a fine cigar; a personal favorite.  The QdO 50...isn't--at least not yet.

[joeypots]

I'm biased against the petit robusto as well and have only smoked one, a HDMPR. I do have a MCPE that was given to me. I'm resisting smoking it on principal no matter how good the cigar is. And by the way, the Hoyo Petit Robusto was brilliant. My loss, I guess.

[Raskol]

I find that Monte PE is much better & QDO 50 is not yet near the QDO Coronas in flavors .. 

[busdriver]

Call me OCD, but a 50 ring gauge by 4 inches long is a perfectly balanced size to me.  Other than that exact size, I tend to stay away from them. 

[JohnS]

How coincidental, @El Presidente as I caught up with @Trevor2118 just yesterday for a cigar or two and we discussed this very subject! If I recall correctly, Simon Chase mentioned in his video interview with Nic Wing for UK Cigar Scene a year or two ago that the Partagas Serie D No.4 was an anomaly in the 60's, when it came out, and a poor seller. My...how times have changed for 50 ring gauge cigars! Trevor mentioned that at first he didn't mind the Robusto size but gradually moved towards 42 ring gauge cigars.

When he was researching data for Cuban Cigar Website in 2003/4 he noted that most marcas had a coronas vitola in their catalogue (42 ring gauge x 142 mm or 5.6 inches), but now only the Montecristo, Romeo y Julieta and Quai d'Orsay marcas have this vitola, the rest have been since deleted. The image below highlights 12 deletions alone in the last 15 years...

So, while we were discussing this I mentioned to Trevor how common Petit Robustos have become in that time, they have become the new 'de facto' corona-type offering for each marca.

Both Trevor and I felt that the 42 ring gauge cigar offered the optimal smoking experience, preferably a Coronas (142 mm), Coronas Grandes (155 mm) or Cervantes (165 mm) length. The fact is that there is no variety in the Coronas range to compete with how prevalent Petit Robustos have become. The image below show 45 special release Petit Robustos alone!

In marketing terms, 3 solitary Coronas would find it hard to compete for attention against that much variety in the Petit Robusto range!

P.S. To view the images, click on them and hit 'zoom' (some browsers may need to hit zoom more than once).

 

[Head83]

Coronas all the way.  It ranks next to my long and skinnies for favorite format.  I used to be a big ring gauge guy myself when I smoked NC but once I made the switch to CC, the smaller ring gauges have been my favorite.  I wish there were more choices

[SticksAndSticks]

I really like Corona/Corona Gorda/Petit Corona, but it doesn't surprise me that the petit robusto is getting so popular. Even if they take the same amount of time to smoke it just feels like the Petit Robusto is a shorter format cigar. Also they're good with less work, its hard to smoke a PR too fast and turn it bitter. Recently i've been ditching Robusto's in general though and looking for the 46 and under formats.

[RijkdeGooier]

I agree with @BrightonCorgi that the corona ring gauges in all it's variations is a better fit for the tabacco.

As an example, take the difference between a #1 (corona gorda rg46) and a #2 (robusto rg50) for both the Hoyo and the JL marcas

Generally speaking in my experience the #1 offers a more concentrated more intense and sharper smoke while the #2 offers a softer smoke with full flavor.

Both cigars seem to vary little in tabacco used, but it brings out the difference in balance and it's effects.

 

Obviously the Rg50 and up are both more cost-effective (more volado) and much easier to smoke so maybe that explains their popularity both in the manufacturers portfolio and the smoking community,

[smokin.joe]

I really like the Le Hoyo des Dieux  which is a "long" corona. While it appears to be officially still in production, I haven't seen them for sale in a long time. I like the wrapper, binder, filler ration of a smaller gauge cigar like the corona. While I do enjoy larger gage cigars (46 -52), I like them to be at least 5.5" in length.

[Danimalia]

For me, I usually get considerably more smoking time out of a corona than a petit robusto. I'd say a petit edmundo generally lasts me about 50 minutes, and a corona usually lasts about 65-70. That's important, and I'm probably (ok, definitely) a little weird, but crossing that one hour barrier seems to have some type of psychological significance to me. I also think the corona sizes tend to showcase blends better and feel better in the hand. 

That said, I really like the Hoyo PRs, and I think the Monte Petit Edmundos are great cigars. I don't often reach for them because I'm rarely in the mood to set out to smoke a "petit" cigar, but invariably, once I fire one up, I'm super impressed. I also think petit robustos are pretty accessible. In part, because they don't require a ton of time, and they are pretty forgiving in terms of puff rate. 

I feel like there should be room for plenty of both, honestly.

[Vortigan]

For me, with one notable exception in The HUHC, I don't really feel that Cuba has nailed the short and stubby concept. If I'm reaching for that type of smoke, albeit not at all similar in terms of RG, it's The Nub Habano/Maduro. Completely different story with Coronas, something Cuba does so well, making it all the more a shame that so many have fallen.

[ErikB72]

Smoking a petit robusto is having fun . Smoking a (petit) corona is having fun but taking things more seriously