Ukraine

[MrBirdman]

15 minutes ago, SpecialK said:

It's because we all want to date her 😅

I see, let me correct myself: instant access to almost any information has made public discourse dumber and hornier than ever 🙃. 

[Corylax18]

14 hours ago, El Presidente said:

please don't 

I wasn't trying to be cute. I promise. I know were toeing a fine line here, I don't want to be the one to push us over. 

 

16 hours ago, BrightonCorgi said:

How are you defining legitimate?  RT reports on the same national and international events.  How many hours of RT have you personally watched on TV?  Some footnotes from Wikipedia is hardly unbiased either.

Government is in cahoots with American media.  Quite obvious on how things "leaked" and talking points parroting Government talking points.  Doesn't matter if it's TV or social media.  Neither would exist or be as big as they are without the Governments approval and dictate.

Having sources in the government is the same as being paid by and controlled by the government? That's quite a stretch my friend. 

Those footnotes where quotes from former RT employees, stating exactly what I said. There are hundreds or thousands of articles about the sole purpose of RT's existence. To make YOU sympathetic to the whims of a dictator. They've clearly been extremely successful. 

US news networks exist for the sole purpose of making a profit, which is a big part of the reason we've seen a downward spiral in the quality over the last 15 + years.

 

[Fuzz]

All mainstream media should be taken with a heavy dose of skepticism.

That's why I get all my news from AVN Media Network....

[Corylax18]

11 hours ago, SpecialK said:

It's because we all want to date her 😅

Gross. 

 

10 hours ago, Fuzz said:

All mainstream media should be taken with a heavy dose of skepticism.

That's why I get all my news from AVN Media Network....

the AVN awards is the only award show I watch every year! 🤣

[99call]

looks like the predicted false flag operation has begun.....seems like the catastrophe is now about to play out for real

[Kaptain Karl]

It’s hot now. I really didn’t think he’d do it. Now here comes inflation. 

[ChanceSchmerr]

9 hours ago, Cigar Surgeon said:

This PSA brought to you by a Canadian who has countrymen used as peacekeepers around the world. 

.....except, the peacekeeper thing evaporated in the 90s. Failed missions/embarrassments in Rwanda and Somalia scared successive Cdn govts off of traditional peacekeeping and we've never really restarted since then, no matter what the current PM says. I can count our "peacekeeping/UN" missions over the last 8 years on one hand...and I've still got fingers to spare. I can almost count the number of people we posted to those missions on one hand too.

What we do now is more military assistance missions, where we directly assist one country/faction with troops and equipment to train them up and maintain their new level of effectiveness (Ukraine, Latvia, Iraq, Afghanistan before the fall, etc). Not at all like Peacekeeping. It's a brave new world.

I'm watching Ukraine with interest....

[Trapper99]

Speaking with the in-laws now, they are scared but staying put. Live about 150 miles from Donbas, 500 drive mile to Lviv. Full scale invasion means no where is likely safe, so best to stay at home I guess.

West needs to nut up and cut Russia for swift. They have to throw Putin a curveball. They won’t because then they can’t pay Russia for gas (so gas gets shut off) and Russia threatened to cut internet cables. But appeasement isn’t going to work either. 

[Fuzz]

Message a friend in Ukraine. She says the Kyiv airport is under attack from Russia.She's been hearing a lot of explosions.

[El Presidente]

If you have to preface.a.statement with "this is not.political" ....it.is.

Take a holiday

[99call]

Wow. 5 Ukrainian planes and 1 helicopter already shot down,  god this is going to be awful.    Can't see Putin resting his spurs on the Nato border.  Bonkers! this is like a distant terrible history come to life

 

People suggesting Putin had 'priced in sanctions',   I wonder if if those imposing sanctions, will also include sanctions for countries that may continue to support Russia i.e China?

 

[Morientes50]

that sound you hear is the world going back to 1989.....Lets hope it stops there and nothing happens in Taiwan or we could be talking 1945.

[El Presidente]

Watching the live footage is gut-wrenching. 

Prayers to our Ukranian friends. Many a country could find themselves in the same situation should strong repercussions not come into play.  The events of the next week could  determine the rest of this century. 

Cool heads and co-ordinated global clinical minds (and actions)  are required.  

It's a long shot but I am always glass half full. 

 

[Cigar-Therapy]

1 hour ago, El Presidente said:

Watching the live footage is gut-wrenching. 

Prayers to our Ukranian friends. Many a country could find themselves in the same situation should strong repercussions not come into play.  The events of the next week could  determine the rest of this century. 

Cool heads and co-ordinated global clinical minds (and actions)  are required.  

It's a long shot but I am always glass half full. 

 

Ditto, 

Woke up to get the kids ready for school and saw some of the reports.  There are not words to express the feelings. Godspeed to the Ukrainian people, protectors, and leaders.  
 

 

 

[99call]

Pathetic to see Putin call the Ukrainians "Nazi's".   But why should we be surprised? there is a whole deluded section of the right wing that believe Nazi Germany was a left wing atrocity!.   it would be laughable if it wasn't so bloody dangerous. 

There is a good chance these deluded notions were picked up, developed and pushed by his bot farms, and absorbed in the minds of the weak and easily led. 

A quote that has travelled through history, and has been used by some of the most dangerous individuals "accuse the other side of that which you are guilty"

 

[BEVOSREVENGE]

8 hours ago, Trapper99 said:

Speaking with the in-laws now, they are scared but staying put. Live about 150 miles from Donbas, 500 drive mile to Lviv. Full scale invasion means no where is likely safe, so best to stay at home I guess.

West needs to nut up and cut Russia for swift. They have to throw Putin a curveball. They won’t because then they can’t pay Russia for gas (so gas gets shut off) and Russia threatened to cut internet cables. But appeasement isn’t going to work either. 

I hope and pray that your family stays safe.

[BEVOSREVENGE]

4 hours ago, El Presidente said:

Cool heads and co-ordinated global clinical minds (and actions)  are required.  

Much agreed but the media here is fearmongering, which is the last thing we need.

After the hardships and loss of life from Covid, the last thing the world needs is more suffering and loss of life.

Hopefully, we can avoid repeating history from 1918 to 1945 this century.

[Bijan]

6 hours ago, 99call said:

Pathetic to see Putin call the Ukrainians "Nazi's".   But why should we be surprised? there is a whole deluded section of the right wing that believe Nazi Germany was a left wing atrocity!.   it would be laughable if it wasn't so bloody dangerous. 

As all propaganda a grain of truth:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion

Though the current Ukrainian president is Jewish.

// But yeah Ukraine likely among the most anti-semitic countries in Eastern Europe at the moment.

Edit 2: Yeah not more anti-semtiic than elsewhere in Eastern Europe. The two specific issues being the Azov Battalion above and the support/veneration of Bandera the Ukrainian nationalist who was a Nazi colaborator:

https://www.jta.org/2017/01/03/global/ukrainian-marchers-in-kiev-chant-jews-out

Edit: Not defending or legitimizing Russian claims, just giving a bit of context.

[Cigar Surgeon]

21 minutes ago, Bijan said:

But yeah Ukraine likely among the most anti-semitic countries in Eastern Europe at the moment.

Edit: Not defending or legitimizing Russian claims, just giving a bit of context.

Bold claims require bold evidence.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/european-countries-with-most-antisemitic-attitudes-have-fewest-attacks-poll/

Quote

respondents from Poland, Hungary and Greece displayed the highest prevalence of hostile attitudes toward Jews.

 

[Bijan]

38 minutes ago, Cigar Surgeon said:

Bold claims require bold evidence.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/european-countries-with-most-antisemitic-attitudes-have-fewest-attacks-poll/

 

Fair that I should have to present evidence for sure.

But that article doesn't mention Ukraine. It just says those countries with the most antisemitic attitudes have the least attacks against Jews. And to me that just reveals the weakness of surveys that ask vague questions about people's opinions about Jews and use that as a measure of anti-semitism. If I remember the latest stats 50%+ of Germans thought that Jews talk about the Holocaust too much, and it was 20% of Iranians thought that. So it's really a matter of what questions you ask and how you weight them.

One example I'll take is that the Jewish president of Ukraine in defending himself from Russian accusations of Nazism, didn't say that he was Jewish or that he lost family members in the Holocaust (both of which are true), but that his family had fought the Germans/Nazis. (presumably because it is not desirable to draw attention to his Jewishness)

Edit: I'll retract my statement. Definitely fairer to say they have issues as much of Eastern Europe does (with the specifically Ukrainian issue being the Azov battalion and support for Bandera).

[TheFullMontecristo]

Prayers to the people of Ukraine. 

[Hammer Smokin']

good to see a certain post made last night was nuked. 

[BrightonCorgi]

1 hour ago, Cigar Surgeon said:

Bold claims require bold evidence.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/european-countries-with-most-antisemitic-attitudes-have-fewest-attacks-poll/

 

There are a lot of "white nationalist" movements in Ukraine vs. pure antisemitism.  A bit known as a refugee area for such thinking. 

[99call]

So interesting to see that the common thread through the era of 'strongman politics' that we are living through is that whether is it Russian Imperialism, or Brexit.  The future these governments are offering people, is actually not the future but rather rehashed versions of the past. 

They see no role of power for them personally within the projected future,  so are desperately bent of returning us all to the past, when they felt they were right, where they felt comfortable, where they felt like they could not be challenged

It's pretty pathetic when you think about it....and doomed to fail. 

[El Presidente]

2 hours ago, Bijan said:

 

Edit: Not defending or legitimizing Russian claims, just giving a bit of context.

 

While we are all "just giving a bit of context"

from the article{

Adding that the chants came from a “gang of a few idiots who don’t represent anyone,” he nonetheless wrote: “I can’t ignore it when I, a man who worked so much for my country and city, created the hundreds and thousands of jobs, am being screamed at by some bastards to leave my homeland.”

 

I propose that a little  digging (not much needed) finds anti semitism/white nationalists everywhere.

 

Canadian Idiots 

Australian Idiots 

https://www.smh.com.au/national/far-right-extremist-troll-pleads-guilty-to-threatening-journalist-20220224-p59zch.html