Has anyone smoked one? Cohiba Dalia

[El Presidente]

Saw the BR feed come through for the 12 days of Christmas 

https://www.bondroberts.com/product/view/3301

I can't recall having smoked one.

Anyone with a tasting note?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[NSXCIGAR]

From what I understand, those are all-time classics. Maybe the most sought-after release of the last 25 years. 

[mprach024]

These are pretty much all I smoke

[Gamehawker]

I have smoked a few. Young tobacco, over priced!!! ?

[PigFish]

I was gifted some pretty impressive fake ones!!! People are always giving me fake Cohibas! Mine might have been the 32-1/2 anniversary models!!! -LOL

[Connoisseur Kim]

Dalias are one of my wishlisht CC vitolas, so I'd like to get these CCs so badly ?!

[MrBirdman]

I was planning to buy these to share the experience with you all. Unfortunately at the last minute Congress inexplicably discarded my proposed “Illicit Cylindrically-Rolled Tobacco Deduction” in the new stimulus deal in favor of expanding the deduction for business lunches. 

[Greenhorn2]

Due to world logistics if I smoke anything it's a cigarette. Lol

[MrBirdman]

Poking around I see that in the late 90’s Christie’s described this as a “30th Anniversary Siglo V,” Can anyone even confirm it’s a different blend and not just different packaging?

[Justins123]

16 hours ago, NSXCIGAR said:

From what I understand, those are all-time classics. Maybe the most sought-after release of the last 25 years. 

I've too heard that these are some of the best, if not the best cigars from that time period.  Apparently a notch above even 1994s and the Festival Marevas.  I've smoked a handful of both of those and if the Dalias are better, they must truly be something special.   

[SigmundChurchill]

I bought some singles.  As far as tasting notes, it's difficult to remember specifics from 20 years ago, but I remember really liking them a lot.  People went crazy over these back then.

[NSXCIGAR]

8 hours ago, SigmundChurchill said:

People went crazy over these back then

Yes, these have been very hard to find for a long time. I recall only a rare few around when I first started paying attention around 2004-2005. The 35ths were still around if you looked but by 07-08 they were getting just as rare as the 30ths. Since then, I've maybe only seen a couple 30ths even pop up at auction.

I also recall the opinions on the 30th were much more favorable by a large margin. The 30ths were almost certainly made using exclusively old Criollo and Corojo since all the leaf would have been harvested no later than 1994. It would have been one of the last hurrahs for the "original" Cohiba profile.

[dominattorney]

Any guesses what these go for?

[DaBoot]

2 hours ago, dominattorney said:

Any guesses what these go for?

Bond Roberts has a jar on auction now. 

[dominattorney]

39 minutes ago, DaBoot said:

Bond Roberts has a jar on auction now. 

Exactly. There is a game on in another thread about final selling price of Cohiba reserva cosecha sig VI. I bet these are gonna sell for something hilarious. 

[mprach024]

7 hours ago, dominattorney said:

Exactly. There is a game on in another thread about final selling price of Cohiba reserva cosecha sig VI. I bet these are gonna sell for something hilarious. 

I bet no less than $500

[Sandman]

Excellent, excellent cigars. 

[porkchop]

When released, what did these go for?

[SigmundChurchill]

1 hour ago, porkchop said:

When released, what did these go for?

I remember paying $1000 for my Millennium Cohiba Jar.  That was a fortune for 25 cigars back then.  These were more limited production, but they were also released a few years earlier.  Before internet Cuban cigar sales really took off.  For reference, a box of 25 Cohiba Double Coronas was something like $400 in 2003.

I would estimate about $1250.  Maybe $1500, tops.

[NSXCIGAR]

14 hours ago, SigmundChurchill said:

I remember paying $1000 for my Millennium Cohiba Jar.  That was a fortune for 25 cigars back then.  These were more limited production, but they were also released a few years earlier.  Before internet Cuban cigar sales really took off.  For reference, a box of 25 Cohiba Double Coronas was something like $400 in 2003.

I would estimate about $1250.  Maybe $1500, tops.

I vividly recall the Millennium jars available at many vendors for ~$600 in the early 2000s. I was not in a position to buy any but knew I should.

As far as the Cohiba 30th jars, 2000 were made and were priced at $2,000 each--big money in 1996. Explains why these have always sold for top dollar.

And according to the CA article these are actually Siglo V:

https://www.cigaraficionado.com/article/happy-birthday-cohiba-7510

[SigmundChurchill]

5 hours ago, NSXCIGAR said:

I vividly recall the Millennium jars available at many vendors for ~$600 in the early 2000s. I was not in a position to buy any but knew I should.

As far as the Cohiba 30th jars, 2000 were made and were priced at $2,000 each--big money in 1996. Explains why these have always sold for top dollar.

And according to the CA article these are actually Siglo V:

https://www.cigaraficionado.com/article/happy-birthday-cohiba-7510

They weren't available at "many vendors".  It's not like all the grey market vendors were offering them.  I had to buy them from a London vendor.  If I saw them anywhere for $600, I probably would have bought 2 of them instead of 1.  They were $500 in Cuba at the time, so I doubt many vendors outside of Cuba were selling them for $600.  Perhaps you are thinking of the Montecristo Millenium jars.  https://www.cigaraficionado.com/article/shopping-in-cuba-7040

Good find on the 30th jars, though.  I never would have dreamed they would have gone for that much at the time.  Probably the reason I only bought a couple of singles.

[NSXCIGAR]

15 hours ago, SigmundChurchill said:

They weren't available at "many vendors".  It's not like all the grey market vendors were offering them.  I had to buy them from a London vendor.  If I saw them anywhere for $600, I probably would have bought 2 of them instead of 1.  They were $500 in Cuba at the time, so I doubt many vendors outside of Cuba were selling them for $600.  Perhaps you are thinking of the Montecristo Millenium jars.

I was referring to the Millennium jars in general, and you are correct that the Cohiba jars were harder to find and more expensive. But I recall they were well under $1,000 and available at many vendors as well as just about any LCDH. This would have been around early 2002. If they were $1,000 in the UK than they would have been at least 20% cheaper elsewhere. There were quite a few in Hong Kong I can tell you.

The Monte and Cuaba jars were certainly readily available everywhere I looked and were $600-700 everywhere I saw them.

As for all three, there were quite a lot made and many were smoked rather than collected. For some reason, no one thought of these as a pure collector's item perhaps due to the number made which wouldn't surprise me if it was 10,000+ jars total. Only a few years ago the Monte and Cuaba jars were still only at around $1,200-1500. A box of 2000 Lanceros or Esplendidos would have had the same performance.

[SigmundChurchill]

2 hours ago, NSXCIGAR said:

I was referring to the Millennium jars in general, and you are correct that the Cohiba jars were harder to find and more expensive. But I recall they were well under $1,000 and available at many vendors as well as just about any LCDH. This would have been around early 2002. If they were $1,000 in the UK than they would have been at least 20% cheaper elsewhere. There were quite a few in Hong Kong I can tell you.

The Monte and Cuaba jars were certainly readily available everywhere I looked and were $600-700 everywhere I saw them.

As for all three, there were quite a lot made and many were smoked rather than collected. For some reason, no one thought of these as a pure collector's item perhaps due to the number made which wouldn't surprise me if it was 10,000+ jars total. Only a few years ago the Monte and Cuaba jars were still only at around $1,200-1500. A box of 2000 Lanceros or Esplendidos would have had the same performance.

This particular vendor (I'm sure you know who he is) has decent prices for London.  Not great prices compared to much of the rest of the world.  But you could always count on him having hard to find stuff.  And he would break up special humidors, jars, books, Gran Reservas, boxes of Davidoffs, Dunhills, etc, and sell singles from them.  He still does, I think, but unfortunately, he stopped shipping to the US, maybe a decade ago. 

[MrBirdman]

16 hours ago, SigmundChurchill said:

unfortunately, he stopped shipping to the US, maybe a decade ago. 

My understanding is that the UK doesn't permit export of tobacco by retailers, at least not to the US anymore. Can't quite get my head around that one. There may be an exception for auctions.

On 12/24/2020 at 12:38 PM, SigmundChurchill said:

For reference, a box of 25 Cohiba Double Coronas was something like $400 in 2003.

Time Machine to-do list:

#1) 19th Century - prevent Hitler's birth - Head to 2003 and buy Cohiba special editions