Impact of the new Coronavirus where you are?

[Nino]

Could this be a true scenario - any comments ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=b1D6kMeBFas&app=desktop

[FOHrty9er]

Here in Atlanta our numbers are soaring.  In my opinion, this makes sense with our busy airport.  This virus landed long before reports to the WHO.  Respected analysts put our peak at April 23rd (estimated deaths are extreme and inaccurate based on trends), with optimism and a downward trend in mid May, with 0 new deaths reported by June 6th.  I think this is accurate.  However, the lasting impact on society is extreme.  Think about this.... when will the masses go on a cruise again?  How about a musical venue of 50,000 crammed into close quarters?  This will change our social landscape for the foreseeable future.  For the positive or negative to be determined. I for one am an optimist and believe we will better ourselves as a result.  Also, think about this... this virus is always preceded with "novel." The REAL novelty is the global economic shutdown...

[Nino]

 

[Nino]

8 minutes ago, FOHrty9er said:

Here in Atlanta our numbers are soaring.  In my opinion, this makes sense with our busy airport.  This virus landed long before reports to the WHO.  Respected analysts put our peak at April 23rd (estimated deaths are extreme and inaccurate based on trends), with optimism and a downward trend in mid May, with 0 new deaths reported by June 6th.  I think this is accurate.  However, the lasting impact on society is extreme.  Think about this.... when will the masses go on a cruise again?  How about a musical venue of 50,000 crammed into close quarters?  This will change our social landscape for the foreseeable future.  For the positive or negative to be determined. I for one am an optimist and believe we will better ourselves as a result.  Also, think about this... this virus is always preceded with "novel." The REAL novelty is the global economic shutdown...

The spread by Airline passengers is something I feared back on page 1 of this thread.
Looking at how it spread out of Wuhan internationally confirms that scenario.

I hope and pray with you - but I disagree on the REAL novelty.

The REAL novelty is how totally UNPREPARED the world is globally to such a pandemic.

The economic shutdown is a consequence of this.

PS : I do not trust ANY numbers, dates or figures. There is no way they can be accurate to predict anything considering we in Europe and the US are only at the very beginning of this crisis....

 

[alloy]

58 minutes ago, nino said:

 

This Chinese billionaire may not be around very long. Good luck to him.

[FOHrty9er]

49 minutes ago, nino said:

The spread by Airline passengers is something I feared back on page 1 of this thread.
Looking at how it spread out of Wuhan internationally confirms that scenario.

I hope and pray with you - but I disagree on the REAL novelty.

The REAL novelty is how totally UNPREPARED the world is globally to such a pandemic.

The economic shutdown is a consequence of this.

PS : I do not trust ANY numbers, dates or figures. There is no way they can be accurate to predict anything considering we in Europe and the US are only at the very beginning of this crisis....

 

Proactiveness combats pandemics, not reactiveness.  Regulations, oversight, etc.  Or perhaps this virus is nature's population control as we are the virus?  Humans do not have a good track record on this planet.  Let's be real here.

 

Can you cite an example where the global economy reacted this way to a pandemic? Not being sarcastic, just curious.  The true consequence of the global shutdown is increased poverty and crime, which will never be reported as a consequence.  As long as the world wants to hide the true statistics, we will not learn and history will repeat.

[SigmundChurchill]

1 hour ago, nino said:

Could this be a true scenario - any comments ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=b1D6kMeBFas&app=desktop

The only part of this that I know for sure, is that China is lying about their mortality rate.  There is no way in hell it is only 3000.  I think 30,000 would even be too low of an estimate.  

At my hospital, we have the most state of the art, high tech ventilators.  

We are the only Burn Center in the state.  Burn victims get flown in from over 100 miles away.  Burn victims all have ARDS from smoke inhalation, so unlike a lot of hospitals, we are very comfortable treating this very difficult to treat, disease.

And we knew this was coming.  We had time to set up a plan and prepare the hospital.  

With all that advantage, people here are still dropping like flies.  Old people, young people, previously sick people, and previously healthy people.  

Today we had to c-section the 27 week pregnant woman that we intubated the other day.  She doesn’t have much longer, so we needed to get her 2 babies out before her oxygen saturation went too low to support them.

There is no way the Chinese, taken by surprise, with a complete lack stocked up equipment supplies, and the equipment they do have is antiquated, only had 3000 deaths.  Even with the draconian measures they took, there was no way it was early enough in a surprise attack by a new virus.  By the time they even figured out what the hell it was, it would have already been far too late for a death toll of 3000.

 

I dont know about the incinerators this guy was talking about.  Could be.  I guess that is as good of an explanation as any, as to what happened to all the dead bodies they are covering up.

[99call]

5 minutes ago, SigmundChurchill said:

Today we had to

Keep up the good work. We are all behind you.  even if only in spirit. 

 

[Kitchen]

12 hours ago, Deeg said:

Population density of NYC is 27K per square mile, not 67K.

I accidentally listed Manhattan's density, which is 67K.  Overall NYC is 27K.  

[JamesKPolkEsq]

Captain of aircraft carrier with growing coronavirus outbreak pleads for help from Navy

“We’re very engaged in this, we’re very concerned about it and we’re taking all the appropriate steps,” Acting Navy Secretary Thomas Modly said. 

So far, none of the infected sailors has shown serious symptoms, but the number of those who have tested positive has jumped exponentially since the Navy reported infections in three crew members on March 24, the first time COVID-19 infections had been detected on a naval vessel at sea.

[SigmundChurchill]

33 minutes ago, JamesKPolkEsq said:

Captain of aircraft carrier with growing coronavirus outbreak pleads for help from Navy

“We’re very engaged in this, we’re very concerned about it and we’re taking all the appropriate steps,” Acting Navy Secretary Thomas Modly said. 

So far, none of the infected sailors has shown serious symptoms, but the number of those who have tested positive has jumped exponentially since the Navy reported infections in three crew members on March 24, the first time COVID-19 infections had been detected on a naval vessel at sea.

The craziest thing about this virus, is that as an upper respiratory infection it is usually mild.  A little fever, and a slight cough, or less than that.  It can be so mild that you can barely even notice it is there.  An upper respiratory infection is what we usually think of when we think about getting a cold.

But if it goes lower respiratory, it attacks the lungs with such a vengeance.  The lungs look like complete crap on CT scan just 2 days after they looked completely normal.

In the majority of people, it is only an upper respiratory infection. 

Upper respiratory = mouth, nose, throat down to the level of the vocal cords

Lower respiratory = Lungs, and throat, up to the level of the vocal cords.

[FOHrty9er]

15 minutes ago, SigmundChurchill said:

The only part of this that I know for sure, is that China is lying about their mortality rate.  There is no way in hell it is only 3000.  I think 30,000 would even be too low of an estimate.  

At my hospital, we have the most state of the art, high tech ventilators.  

We are the only Burn Center in the state.  Burn victims get flown in from over 100 miles away.  Burn victims all have ARDS from smoke inhalation, so unlike a lot of hospitals, we are very comfortable treating this very difficult to treat, disease.

And we knew this was coming.  We had time to set up a plan and prepare the hospital.  

With all that advantage, people here are still dropping like flies.  Old people, young people, previously sick people, and previously healthy people.  

Today we had to c-section the 27 week pregnant woman that we intubated the other day.  She doesn’t have much longer, so we needed to get her 2 babies out before her oxygen saturation went too low to support them.

There is no way the Chinese, taken by surprise, with a complete lack stocked up equipment supplies, and the equipment they do have is antiquated, only had 3000 deaths.  Even with the draconian measures they took, there was no way it was early enough in a surprise attack by a new virus.  By the time they even figured out what the hell it was, it would have already been far too late for a death toll of 3000.

 

I dont know about the incinerators this guy was talking about.  Could be.  I guess that is as good of an explanation as any, as to what happened to all the dead bodies they are covering up.

Exactly, and thank you for your hard work.  What gets me is this is technically SARS-cov-2.   In other words, it is a re amplified version of SARS, so it should have been recognized quickly.  In fact it was, but the original (nationality intentionally left out in fear of racism claims) scientist that discovered it were quickly reprimanded.  The quarantine time eluded that area in the name of, rather fear of, complete economic implosion.  Millions upon millions of people traveled to and from the area due to national holidays.  I have said all along this virus has been among us for quite some time.

[Habana Mike]

8 hours ago, JamesKPolkEsq said:

This video is excellent and informative. 

For your family and your own health, watch it. He explains how and why people get COVID-19 and how to avoid it. 

Definitely worth a watch. Thanks for posting.

Eases the anxiety, hope he's accurate on all counts.

Stay safe out there friends!

[99call]

1 minute ago, SigmundChurchill said:

The craziest thing about this virus, is that as an upper respiratory infection it is usually mild.  A little fever, and a slight cough, or less than that.  It can be so mild that you can barely even notice it is there.  An upper respiratory infection is what we usually think of when we think about getting a cold.

But if it goes lower respiratory, it attacks the lungs with such a vengeance.  The lungs look like complete crap on CT scan just 2 days after they looked completely normal 

Upper respiratory = mouth, nose, throat down to the level of the vocal cords

Lower respiratory = Lungs, and throat, up to the level of the vocal cords.

Specialists. Specialists, Specialists...........this is what we need,  Lets screw this age of fake news up,  and put it in the bin where it belongs.  when did it begin? 

In an age where the common message seems to be....."if you want to do it........you go get it!"....don't worry about qualifications or red tape!..........NO! goddamnit NO!. The only up side of this tragedy is that it's returning us to an age, where bullshit merchant are useless.  absolute false idols.  Wanting to be respected is not enough, you need to earn it, hard work, qualifications etc.    

Heres a thought to hang our hat on.   We used to value the talent i.e Michelangelo,  and in the past the benefactors The Medici's were just a financial means to an end.    In our life time we have come to value the reverse i.e   The lowly manager/handler commands the big payday,   whereas the person with the actual end product. i.e the talent is treated like an after thought.     This situation is teaching us the true value of specialists.                 

[99call]

WOW !!!!   Inaction and time wasting just pinned onto the UK as pure distraction?      Finger pointing to a disgusting degree.  ?????

Own your victories, own your mistakes

[Fuzz AI]

Okay, well I'm kinda annoyed. I've picked up a virus, pretty sure it isn't Covid-19 as my symptoms are somewhat different, but a cold or flu virus nonetheless.

Bad time to pick up a virus (well, there never really is a good time), but with Covid-19 flying around, you're never sure if it is or isn't.

 

[Habana Mike]

9 minutes ago, Fuzz said:

Okay, well I'm kinda annoyed. I've picked up a virus, pretty sure it isn't Covid-19 as my symptoms are somewhat different, but a cold or flu virus nonetheless.

Bad time to pick up a virus (well, there never really is a good time), but with Covid-19 flying around, you're never sure if it is or isn't.

 

Get well and stay safe my friend!

 

[JamesKPolkEsq]

18 minutes ago, Fuzz said:

Okay, well I'm kinda annoyed. I've picked up a virus, pretty sure it isn't Covid-19 as my symptoms are somewhat different, but a cold or flu virus nonetheless.

Bad time to pick up a virus (well, there never really is a good time), but with Covid-19 flying around, you're never sure if it is or isn't.

 

If you get shortness of breath, GO TO THE HOSPITAL.

[Deeg]

4 minutes ago, JamesKPolkEsq said:

If you get shortness of breath, GO TO THE HOSPITAL.

And self-isolate.  Don't take any chances.

The other sucky thing about this (among many) is that this is right when allergy season really kicks into high gear.  

[SigmundChurchill]

1 hour ago, Fuzz said:

Okay, well I'm kinda annoyed. I've picked up a virus, pretty sure it isn't Covid-19 as my symptoms are somewhat different, but a cold or flu virus nonetheless.

Bad time to pick up a virus (well, there never really is a good time), but with Covid-19 flying around, you're never sure if it is or isn't.

 

The COVID-19 symptoms we see most often are dry cough and fever.  Sore throat is common too.  Not a whole lot of sneezing though.  Feel better.

[Fuzz AI]

Just now, SigmundChurchill said:

The COVID-19 symptoms we see most often are dry cough and fever.  Sore throat is common too.  Not a whole lot of sneezing though.

That's the thing. I have a tightness in the chest, a wheezing cough, running a bit of a temperature, but no sore throat (a bit of phlegm), no loss of smell/taste, a bit of a runny nose.

I don't qualify for testing here as I have not traveled overseas recently, or come into contact with anyone I know who has recently returned, I am not in aged or health care, and I don't know anyone who has been diagnosed as having coronavirus.

[SigmundChurchill]

23 minutes ago, Fuzz said:

That's the thing. I have a tightness in the chest, a wheezing cough, running a bit of a temperature, but no sore throat (a bit of phlegm), no loss of smell/taste, a bit of a runny nose.

I don't qualify for testing here as I have not traveled overseas recently, or come into contact with anyone I know who has recently returned, I am not in aged or health care, and I don't know anyone who has been diagnosed as having coronavirus.

You should get tested for the flu then.  We are finding very few people have both at the same time, so if you have the flu, it is very unlikely you have coronavirus.

[Fuzz AI]

13 minutes ago, SigmundChurchill said:

You should get tested for the flu then.  We are finding very few people have both at the same time, so if you have the flu, it is very unlikely you have coronavirus.

Thanks. Testing for the flu over here is as strict as testing for Covid-19. They will only test if you meet certain criteria.

[Meklown]

On 3/29/2020 at 1:00 PM, Ken Gargett said:

i suspect that there were very very few people, experts or not, calling for an immediate and full lockdown day one

I recently realised that the lockdown in Wuhan started when there were around 500 reported cases, somewhere around 3 weeks into the start of the infection. I guess almost everyone here can agree that is a draconian measure, and when China wants to be draconian, they get draconian. Whatever we think about the number of reported cases in China (then, and now), I think that we can also agree that it was pretty quick/decisive action from the top. I am sure that this action lead to lives saved - how many, I don't know, and don't care. Industries in China are being ordered to return to normal now (PMI is back in expansion territory).

Take care everyone, there will be an end to this, no matter whether you see it now or not.

[Ken Gargett]

10 hours ago, nino said:

 

because billionaires never lie?

seriously, if i had a dollar for every "absolutely true and here is the compelling evidence" theory i have heard, i could afford to smoke good cigars for a change (my fave, which the person sending it to me, insists is absolutely true - and this person normally not a fruitbat but actually would be the leading practitioner in their area in australia and yes, it is not medicine - would have me kicked off the forum so fast by both sides. i would have said you could not make it up, but apparently you can). 

mind you, i am in the camp that doubts we have reliable figures out of china.