tjhernandez34 Posted October 10, 2014 Posted October 10, 2014 Reading Rob's reviews of the Edición Limitadas got me thinking. I was curious about what some of the members thought of the aging potential of different marcas from the Habanos portfolio. Do certain marcas age better than others? What are your experiences and just all around thoughts on the matter. If this has already been discussed on the forum, feel free to post the link. Cheers
earthson Posted October 10, 2014 Posted October 10, 2014 Some are ready to go and I've never kept them around long enough to age: SLR Regios and HdM Epis spring to mind. Some need a little age: RASS, H Upmann PC/Connie, Partagas Some need more age: Trinidad, Cohiba Some folks have all the patience and space in the world and they age everything! 2
dangolf18 Posted October 10, 2014 Posted October 10, 2014 No offense but You'll find a lot by doing a search. IMO at least, Cohiba, Bolivar, Partagas and Montecristo age best (5-10 years). For longer than 10 years, I'd say Cohiba and Partagas.
cybermadhatter Posted October 10, 2014 Posted October 10, 2014 For cigars aged over 15 years, IMHO, the best are Upmann Punch Erdm Slr Monte Bolivar Cohiba 1
Maplepie Posted October 10, 2014 Posted October 10, 2014 Almost impossible to give you a definite answer on this one... Different vitolas, different boxes, different years. 1
Sophistic Posted October 10, 2014 Posted October 10, 2014 Bolivar, Monte...1-3 years Upmann, Trinidad 3-6 Le Hoyos, Por Larranaga 5-15
kittipong Posted October 10, 2014 Posted October 10, 2014 IMHO Cohiba is good for ageing from 15-20 years. Partagas, Bolivar and Punch about 10-15 years Normally I don't like to smoke all Havana at young even Partagas Short. 1
laficion Posted October 10, 2014 Posted October 10, 2014 Dear tjhernandez43, Allow me to be a little Blunt, Do you think that some of us still have 20 years to wait ? Now If I want aged cigars, I just order them. I said " IF I WANT" . Other then that, No aging. Guy 2
Puros Y Vino Posted October 10, 2014 Posted October 10, 2014 Maybe marcas isn't the way to go? Perhaps aging per stick might make more sense. I hear a lot about how stronger cigars will have a better chance of aging. I look at RACF's, Monte 520's, Cohiba Esplendidos for the long term. I'd also put this up for consideration. Larger cigars, whether by length, RG or both might age better. Purely from a physics point, there's more tobacco, more oils in the cigars that will be around longer while time passes. With that said, some of my oldest cigars are PC sized and they smell and smoke great. It may be that storage conditions are more key to a cigar's ability to age. If you store a $10 Chianti and a $300 Barolo in a wine cellar that is below ideal conditions, neither bottle will age well. Under proper conditions, each should age according to the quality and properties of the raw materials (grapes) that went in. If we pick a marca, let's say Cohiba. You have the Linea Classica which traditionally has a richer, stronger blend than the Siglo series. The Lineas Classica seems to be the one old school smokers tend to sock away for years before they even crack the lid. Perhaps the tobacco used in LC is the Barolo to the Siglo's Chianti? One is built for the years, the other must be consumed "soon". Unfortunately, any data we'd have on this is purely qualitative.
joeypots Posted October 10, 2014 Posted October 10, 2014 It's not like the old days. Cuban cigars are much more approachable you than they were 8-10 years ago. The recent Punch Punch are a good example. Young they are good, look to get better. I like to put 5 years on most cigars. I think that smoking young Cohibas is infanticide. RASS get real good then, as well. Bolivar, Partagas, and Monte Cristo benefit mightily. I smoked a MC Petit Tubos from '06 a while ago that was truly sublime.
tjohn7 Posted October 10, 2014 Posted October 10, 2014 If you do a search, you'll find Rob's thoughts on this topic. He believes that if something is smoking great, whether it's young or aged, you should keep smoking it. Not worth putting down a box that was best young. Personally, I buy a box and smoke one stick ROTT. If it's great, I'll make my way through that box before it has the chance to age. If it's powerful/not my cup of tea, I'll let it rest and test a stick out every now and then. Truthfully, the beginning of your cigar exploration is the biggest challenge, as you want to acquire high quality smokes, and when you do, you want to KNOW how they'll be in future years. The best method to figure this out is just buy, buy and buy some more. After a while you'll have so many damn boxes that you'll have no choice but to let some rest. Smoke what's great when you determine it's great. If you're not high on certain boxes, let them rest or try and trade. Sure, you may find that some boxes were actually better in previous years, but how will you ever know if you don't let them rest? You'll find that once you've established a sizable collection that you become much more relaxed and not so concerned with how a marca or particular stick ages. Tom
polarbear Posted October 10, 2014 Posted October 10, 2014 My rule of thumb was always to find a smoke I liked young and smoke one stick every 3 months to see how it progresses. When it reached a point where I felt it was perfect I would buy another box and rest it for at least that amount of time before starting the process all over again 2
tjhernandez34 Posted October 10, 2014 Author Posted October 10, 2014 I have enjoyed reading everyone’s responses! If I would have done a search I probably could’ve found an answer. However, I feel the interaction aspect of this community to be the best part of FOH, which is why I decided to be lazy and just post to see what you guys thought. It is interesting to see the array of opinions when it comes to a topic like this. I like this piece of cigar culture, especially when all of the opinions can be shared in a brotherly, non-patronizing sort of way. Ultimately, I guess it is the cigar smoker’s dilemma; will this particular box get better or worse over time. Thanks for sharing guys!
mk05 Posted October 11, 2014 Posted October 11, 2014 “Until you make peace with who you are, you'll never be content with what you have.” 2
... Posted October 11, 2014 Posted October 11, 2014 Until you make peace with who you are, you'll never be content with what you have. **** Cheney quote?
leftimatic Posted October 11, 2014 Posted October 11, 2014 **** Cheney quote? Actually it was Muddy Waters... I think
PigFish Posted October 11, 2014 Posted October 11, 2014 Buy what you like to smoke mate… No one can tell you what to smoke or if, or how well it will age. When you buy a good box of cigars and smoke one, you will have 24 left aging until tomorrow. If you are newer to cigars, don't focus on aging cigars, and spend some time smoking them and deciding what you like. If you have the coin, buy some extras… Assuming you cannot smoke them all in one day, you will have good cigars to bring you into the future. Don't chase fairytales and fantasy cigars. Good cigars, along with some bad are being made everyday. Move through the catalogue and get a mix of the popular and the obscure. By the time you have a bead on what you really like in cigars, you will have an opinion about this yourself and will be giving advice to others. That is the best advice I have for you on the topic! Cheers! -Piggy 2
1LegLance Posted October 15, 2014 Posted October 15, 2014 The real problem beyond the fact that your taste is different than mine....is that cigar genetics and harvest change. The cigars you are smoking today that are 10yrs old are not the same plant as what you would buy today and smoke right out of the box, and therefore to say that todays cigars must be aged the way the sticks from 15yrs ago is crazy. If you could still buy a 1992 RyJ Cazadores today it would punch you in the mouth, but a 2014 Cazadores taste like it already has 5yrs of age. The PSD4 used to be a black pepper bomb that needed at least 5 yrs...back in the mid 90's....I didn't smoke them for 10yrs and the sticks from the mid to late 2000's are not the same. That is good for the newbie and bad for the grumps like me...but then again No man ever steps in the same river twice, for it's not the same river and he's not the same man. ― Heraclitus
aes8 Posted October 15, 2014 Posted October 15, 2014 IMHO Cohiba is good for ageing from 15-20 years. Partagas, Bolivar and Punch about 10-15 years Normally I don't like to smoke all Havana at young even Partagas Short. ^^^^ This
dvickery Posted October 15, 2014 Posted October 15, 2014 my opinion only ... all habanos will benefit from ( at least ) ... 3 years of sitting ... not aged at this point ... just well rested . i have yet to find a 10 to 15 year old habano ( aged by me mind you ) ... that is "past its prime" and on its way downhill . beyond this ... i have only a few full boxes left that i have had past the 15 year mark ... they are pretty well all beyond the good to great bar and all have moved to whatever comes after great . of course these are cigars aged by derrek for derrek derrek 3
OchoZacho Posted October 16, 2014 Posted October 16, 2014 Not wanting to hijack a thread, but being pretty new to Habanos, what advice would you guys give me on buying stuff that is smoking fresh right now to get a good flavor profile for the brand?
earthson Posted October 16, 2014 Posted October 16, 2014 Not wanting to hijack a thread, but being pretty new to Habanos, what advice would you guys give me on buying stuff that is smoking fresh right now to get a good flavor profile for the brand? SLR Regios and Party Shorts fer sure.
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