Why no Behike Lancero/similar skinny?

[Colt45]

I'd love to be corrected here but weren't Partagas Serie du Connoisseur a single leaf of ligero?

If we are to believe Yasmel, yes

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[sam]

I'd like to see a Behike 46 corona gorda. ---sam

[mk05]

Good enough Colt, I knew there was a full leaf of ligero in there! My point was more so that full ligero in lancero has already been done before, but to "create" a "Behike" flavor, there must be enough triple-fermented volado to smooth out the edges by lowering the acidity. Think about how strong those SdC's were - given the proportion of ligero:seco:volado - then how smooth and mild the Behikes feels.

[Maplepie]

with the failures of fresh Party Connies, it's probable that Habanos SA just doesn't want to go down that path again (probable!?! i'd bet my entire collection they won't bat eyes at 40- ring gauges for the next five years!)

my guesses on why they age BHKs for a while is so they're soft enough for the mainstream. i think that with the Series of Connies, they still would be in production if only they had aged them for a while... or if they built them up as much as they did with the BHK boxes. Glossy and felted and everything... twas a simpler time, innit?

(or if thinner ring gauges were still in style. or if they were selling so **** that Habanos keeps them around (*cough* Cuaba *Cough*). or if - you get the point)

[Duxnutz]

I'll take a BHK in any vitola under 48 RG. I don't think they could get the BHK blend right in anything thinner than a 42 RG though because there would be little room to fit in medio tiempo.

That's the original point I was trying to make. The NC cigar supposedly has this mythical 'medio Tiempo' leaf in it and its a 7x40.

[Colt45]

.....but to "create" a "Behike" flavor, there must be enough triple-fermented volado to smooth out the edges by lowering the acidity.

I understand - I guess the question becomes could they replicate the blend in a 38 ring cigar, and if so, would they want to.....

[Maplepie]

could they replicate the blend in a 38 ring cigar, and if so, would they want to.....

Yes. Probably. But without the marketing of 'Half a Media Tiempo in every cigar'!

Lord no. A new skinny would blow my mind... let alone something like a BHK skinny.

[Jah]

Behikes are being rolled with medio tiempo again?

[polarbear]

Before you as kabout a BHK Lance, first you must look at what was the original motivation behind the BHK line in the first place.

Now, please correct me if I'm wrong, but I imagine that the members here (who on could argue are more educated than a lot of cigar smokers) would prefer an aged Lancero, Esplindido or Sig VI if reaching for a Cohiba. While the BHK isa good cigar, if money was no object I'm sure it would not be high on our lists of cigars.

So the why make it?

Couple that statement with the fact the BHK was the first regular production (straight sided) cigar to be over a 55rg and it has to make youi wonder who HSA were hoping to apeal to.

HSA wanted to create a new 'Ultra Ultra Premium Marca' for wealthy cigars smokers who, while not educated, are enthusiastic about cigars, and those customers tend to reach for larger RG's.

An example of this- A friend of mine is responsible for supplying tobacco products to our local casino. He recieved a call from the floor manger of the high rollers room saying they had a very good client coming in and he needed a box of Behikes, cause "this gentleman only smokes Behikes". My friend was unable to get a box of BHK56's from the distributer in time for the clients arrival so he came to me for somthing. As I dont have any BHK's, I gave him a box of 10 year old Cohiba Lanceros and 1966's to offer to the client with the understanding he would be replacing them.

Gentleman turned his nose up at my Lanceros (depsite knowing the age on them) and reached for the 1966's.

Now having smoked both, I know which I would prefer

The reason HSA wont make a BHK Lancero is the same reason they dont make many Lanceros at all, they wont appeal to the general market and therefore wont sell.

[Duxnutz]

Before you as kabout a BHK Lance, first you must look at what was the original motivation behind the BHK line in the first place.

Now, please correct me if I'm wrong, but I imagine that the members here (who on could argue are more educated than a lot of cigar smokers) would prefer an aged Lancero, Esplindido or Sig VI if reaching for a Cohiba. While the BHK isa good cigar, if money was no object I'm sure it would not be high on our lists of cigars.

So the why make it?

Couple that statement with the fact the BHK was the first regular production (straight sided) cigar to be over a 55rg and it has to make youi wonder who HSA were hoping to apeal to

HSA wanted to create a new 'Ultra Ultra Premium Marca' for wealthy cigars smokers who, while not educated, are enthusiastic about cigars, and those customers tend to reach for larger RG's.

An example of this- A friend of mine is responsible for supplying tobacco products to our local casino. He recieved a call from the floor manger of the high rollers room saying they had a very good client coming in and he needed a box of Behikes, cause "this gentleman only smokes Behikes". My friend was unable to get a box of BHK56's from the distributer in time for the clients arrival so he came to me for somthing. As I dont have any BHK's, I gave him a box of 10 year old Cohiba Lanceros and 1966's to offer to the client with the understanding he would be replacing them.

Gentleman turned his nose up at my Lanceros (depsite knowing the age on them) and reached for the 1966's.

Now having smoked both, I know which I would prefer

The reason HSA wont make a BHK Lancero is the same reason they dont make many Lanceros at all, they wont appeal to the general market and therefore wont sell.

Every man and his dog is aware of the the origins of the BHK line towards the wealthy elite. I have well aged examples of the Lanceros, Espys and Siglo VI but would love to try something different, as would MOST cigar smokers. It would be nice to check out the blend in a different (smaller size). Heck 1000/2000 boxes of 10 isn't a large commitment to make.

I guess my gripe is with Habanos S.A not being in touch with the roots of their customer base and daring to target the old school Connisseur end of the market with items that appeal to them.

[polarbear]

I guess my gripe is with Habanos S.A not being in touch with the roots of their customer base and daring to target the old school Connisseur end of the market with items that appeal to them.

As have we all

Truth be told, had HSA not been the only game in town for CC's, they prob wouldve gone out of business decades ago

[Diamondog]

lol this thread is humorous.

[maverickdrinker]

If i can remember....

Straight from the dragon's mouth...

Take it all with a grain of sand...

They can't get the blend correctly in a Lancero. Something to do with pairing the Media Tiempo leaf with other ones need to be in a ratio that can't be achieved in thinner ring gauges. It makes sense that thicker ring gauges have more area for creativity. It's just a shame they can't make it more efficient.

And remember what they always claim: every Behike has half a leaf of Media Tiemp in it. Makes it harder to do that in a Lanny...

X2

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[Duxnutz]

lol this thread is humorous.

I find these guys humerous.

[sengjc]

Every man and his dog is aware of the the origins of the BHK line towards the wealthy elite. I have well aged examples of the Lanceros, Espys and Siglo VI but would love to try something different, as would MOST cigar smokers. It would be nice to check out the blend in a different (smaller size). Heck 1000/2000 boxes of 10 isn't a large commitment to make.

I guess my gripe is with Habanos S.A not being in touch with the roots of their customer base and daring to target the old school Connisseur end of the market with items that appeal to them.

I am sure if they make it a limited production run, then slap a second band and make it a La Case del Habano exclusive, it will sell out in next to no time.

[Lotusguy]

I am sure if they make it a limited production run, then slap a second band and make it a La Case del Habano exclusive, it will sell out in next to no time.

Yeah, but if they do the same and make it a 60RG donkey ****, they will sell even faster

[Puros Y Vino]

I understand - I guess the question becomes could they replicate the blend in a 38 ring cigar, and if so, would they want to.....

In talking to a few locals in Havana. A BHK Lancero wouldn't work given the current blend. It'd be a lot different cigar with a fancy name. Take that FWIW.

[PigFish]

I think the answer as to why is pretty obvious. Forget what sells and what does not sell and ask yourself why cigars do or don't sell?

I believe this is due to the fact that the cigar smoker (generally) has little or no taste! Sorry mates, I call it as I see it. For decades wonderful cigars were rolled from the same lovely tobacco. What resonated with buyers, more than what the cigar actually tasted like, was the size, the box, the label, the price and the bands.

Taste, IMHO has never come into it. If taste were a factor, there was never a reason for such wonderful cigars, such as the Grandes de Espana for example, to sit on shelves. If it were about taste, neither the Monty line, nor the Cohiba line would be the most popular. There were way-better cigars! Way-better cigars for a lot less!

Tabacuba has finally come to realize that the vast majority of cigar smokers are not serous enough about them to explore any but the most highly priced. They buy a few cigars for the golf course, or poker night and they would rather look impressive by waring a watch that weighs 50lbs., sporting the latest putter, a name brand shirt and a fifty ring+, two banded cigar, than to smoke a cigar that tastes good!

People who talk cigars, age cigars, collect cigars, are connoisseurs of cigars, are nothing but a problem for Tabacuba. They are building most of their cigars for flash players with little or no taste!

I think many cigar smokers would rather be seen with an expensive cigar that was reviewed well, than truly great cigar that smokes well. MHO

Cheers! -Piggy

[Troels]

Well, we will get the chance to get some skinny RA from the often bagged ER program in a little while

[Blakes]

Well, we will get the chance to get some skinny RA from the often bagged ER program in a little while

Do you mean the German RA 898 that's is supposed to come out this year?

I wouldn't call 43rg skinny... far from it, to me that's just a normal sized cigar.

[Troels]

Do you mean the German RA 898 that's is supposed to come out this year?

I wouldn't call 43rg skinny... far from it, to me that's just a normal sized cigar.

Guess you are right, but a much praised discontinued - slimmer - smoke though

So some prayers must have been heard :-)

[Blakes]

Guess you are right, but a much praised discontinued - slimmer - smoke though

So some prayers must have been heard :-)

Definitely a step in the right direction and a welcome change from the usual release sizes, but if the price of the Italian La Escepcion is anything to go by it's not all good news.

[polarbear]

Definitely a step in the right direction and a welcome change from the usual release sizes, but if the price of the Italian La Escepcion is anything to go by it's not all good news.

Bingo

I'm gussing they'll be selling for around $600+us a box

That wont stop me buying a bunch, though. It'll just mean I wont be eating much for a while...

[westg]

I think the answer as to why is pretty obvious. Forget what sells and what does not sell and ask yourself why cigars do or don't sell?

I believe this is due to the fact that the cigar smoker (generally) has little or no taste! Sorry mates, I call it as I see it. For decades wonderful cigars were rolled from the same lovely tobacco. What resonated with buyers, more than what the cigar actually tasted like, was the size, the box, the label, the price and the bands.

Taste, IMHO has never come into it. If taste were a factor, there was never a reason for such wonderful cigars, such as the Grandes de Espana for example, to sit on shelves. If it were about taste, neither the Monty line, nor the Cohiba line would be the most popular. There were way-better cigars! Way-better cigars for a lot less!

Tabacuba has finally come to realize that the vast majority of cigar smokers are not serous enough about them to explore any but the most highly priced. They buy a few cigars for the golf course, or poker night and they would rather look impressive by waring a watch that weighs 50lbs., sporting the latest putter, a name brand shirt and a fifty ring+, two banded cigar, than to smoke a cigar that tastes good!

People who talk cigars, age cigars, collect cigars, are connoisseurs of cigars, are nothing but a problem for Tabacuba. They are building most of their cigars for flash players with little or no taste!

I think many cigar smokers would rather be seen with an expensive cigar that was reviewed well, than truly great cigar that smokes well. MHO

Cheers! -Piggy

I think the answer as to why is pretty obvious. Forget what sells and what does not sell and ask yourself why cigars do or don't sell?

I believe this is due to the fact that the cigar smoker (generally) has little or no taste! Sorry mates, I call it as I see it. For decades wonderful cigars were rolled from the same lovely tobacco. What resonated with buyers, more than what the cigar actually tasted like, was the size, the box, the label, the price and the bands.

Taste, IMHO has never come into it. If taste were a factor, there was never a reason for such wonderful cigars, such as the Grandes de Espana for example, to sit on shelves. If it were about taste, neither the Monty line, nor the Cohiba line would be the most popular. There were way-better cigars! Way-better cigars for a lot less!

Tabacuba has finally come to realize that the vast majority of cigar smokers are not serous enough about them to explore any but the most highly priced. They buy a few cigars for the golf course, or poker night and they would rather look impressive by waring a watch that weighs 50lbs., sporting the latest putter, a name brand shirt and a fifty ring+, two banded cigar, than to smoke a cigar that tastes good!

People who talk cigars, age cigars, collect cigars, are connoisseurs of cigars, are nothing but a problem for Tabacuba. They are building most of their cigars for flash players with little or no taste!

I think many cigar smokers would rather be seen with an expensive cigar that was reviewed well, than truly great cigar that smokes well. MHO

Cheers! -Piggy

So this little piggy says....thanks for enlightening us all once again with your dazzling intellect

[Smallclub]

Tabacuba has finally come to realize that the vast majority of cigar smokers are not serous enough about them to explore any but the most highly priced. They buy a few cigars for the golf course, or poker night and they would rather look impressive by waring a watch that weighs 50lbs., sporting the latest putter, a name brand shirt and a fifty ring+, two banded cigar, than to smoke a cigar that tastes good!

This may be true with regard to the American smoker, but not regular buyers of habanos in old Europe…