Duxnutz Posted May 10, 2014 Posted May 10, 2014 Just read a pre-view of the Non-CC La Palina Goldie Especial, a 7x40 Lancero using the Medio Tiempo leaf, as used in the Behike line. Why doesn't Habanos SA offer some product differentiation to the market like the NC cigar producers do? Obviously its able to be done and it would probably sell extremely well in 10ct boxes! WHY??? 1
tmc123 Posted May 10, 2014 Posted May 10, 2014 Probably because It doesn't appeal to the non regular smokers, they want something that looks like a cigar not a long skinny
sengjc Posted May 10, 2014 Posted May 10, 2014 The L'Atelier range, which is supposedly the NC counterpart to the Behike range has just released a lancero and previously released a corona gorda. Maybe in time we may see the Behike range extended. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD
tippexx Posted May 10, 2014 Posted May 10, 2014 Maybe in time we may see the Behike range extended. I'm sure Habanos R&D will have rolled some Seng. Maybe they think the leaf and longer shapes aren't compatible .... or maybe it might be that to be perfect the tobacco for a Behike Lancero needed longer ageing, which might make one imminent. 1
markmurase Posted May 10, 2014 Posted May 10, 2014 I think there are many on this forum who would love to see a Behike Lancero. Alas, the chances of that happening are not good 1
ned Posted May 10, 2014 Posted May 10, 2014 i know i would love to see it, whether i could afford to smoke it is another question. but i bet they would be tasty
Jeremy Festa Posted May 10, 2014 Posted May 10, 2014 Great question! The answer is, some things are too good to be true! From my mobile phone
Smallclub Posted May 10, 2014 Posted May 10, 2014 Obviously its able to be done and it would probably sell extremely well in 10ct boxes! Really? Where? Why would it sell more than the Lanceros? There are more chances to see the Lanceros discontinued than to see a new long panatela created… 2
Jeremy Festa Posted May 10, 2014 Posted May 10, 2014 Really? Where? Why would it sell more than the Lanceros? There are more chances to see the Lanceros discontinued than to see a new long panatela created… This is true From my mobile phone
tippexx Posted May 10, 2014 Posted May 10, 2014 Obviously its able to be done and it would probably sell extremely well in 10ct boxes! WHY??? Really? Where? Why would it sell more than the Lanceros? There are more chances to see the Lanceros discontinued than to see a new long panatela created… Why? Because it would have the Behike name attached and the perception that it's the ultimate luxury cigar. As box 10 they should sell well without cannibalising the market for Cohiba Lancero or Trinidad Fundadores, in fact any fanfare for a longer Behike might ignite an additional interest in the longer shapes generally. If I were Habanos I think I'd risk it. 3
Duxnutz Posted May 10, 2014 Author Posted May 10, 2014 Really? Where? Why would it sell more than the Lanceros? There are more chances to see the Lanceros discontinued than to see a new long panatela createdPretty black box. Heck make a Behike sampler box (limited production) and throw the Lancero in with the 52/54/56. 10ct boxes are all the rage in the non cuban world as its a cheap entry point to a brand. The Superiores haven't exactly 'cannibalised' the RA brand now have they? They're an extension to an already outstanding marque and IMO are adding sales vs taking away from others in the line. A major point of that is the price/quantity sweet spot in the 10ct box. I might have picked a bad time to stop sniffing glue tho. 2
Blakes Posted May 10, 2014 Posted May 10, 2014 Maybe they haven't done it because they really wouldn't taste that much different from a Lancero? I've always wondered prior to the Behike line, surely the 'special' Medio tempo leaf was just classed as ligero? I doubt they were throwing it away.
Smallclub Posted May 10, 2014 Posted May 10, 2014 I've always wondered prior to the Behike line, surely the 'special' Medio tempo leaf was just classed as ligero? I doubt they were throwing it away. Yes it was classed as ligero. Bringing it on the front stage is a marketing ploy. 2
westg Posted May 10, 2014 Posted May 10, 2014 Really? Where? Why would it sell more than the Lanceros? There are more chances to see the Lanceros discontinued than to see a new long panatela created… fair point smallclub and I agree...although if somehow a Lancero Behike did show up, I for one would be all over them...here's to wishful thinking
LGC Posted May 10, 2014 Posted May 10, 2014 Just like all other cigars that have been axed, the size is not popular and doesn't sell well in comparison to all the other donkey dong sizes. You have to consider smokers worldwide, not just the ones that post on cigar forums.
Maplepie Posted May 10, 2014 Posted May 10, 2014 If i can remember.... Straight from the dragon's mouth... Take it all with a grain of sand... They can't get the blend correctly in a Lancero. Something to do with pairing the Media Tiempo leaf with other ones need to be in a ratio that can't be achieved in thinner ring gauges. It makes sense that thicker ring gauges have more area for creativity. It's just a shame they can't make it more efficient. And remember what they always claim: every Behike has half a leaf of Media Tiemp in it. Makes it harder to do that in a Lanny...
Colt45 Posted May 10, 2014 Posted May 10, 2014 They can't get the blend correctly in a Lancero. That's my understanding as well - that the blend was intended for larger ring gauges, and a thinner ring cigar would be a Behike in name, but not really have the "Behike Blend".
Smallclub Posted May 10, 2014 Posted May 10, 2014 And remember what they always claim: every Behike has half a leaf of Media Tiemp in it. just like millions of cigars produced before the Medio Tiempo became the last thing in fashion… I don't buy the story of "can't get the blend correctly"… …and does it comes from someone in the know or is it a speculation jumping from a cigar blog to an other?
Maplepie Posted May 10, 2014 Posted May 10, 2014 just like millions of cigars produced before the Medio Tiempo became the last thing in fashion… I don't buy the story of "can't get the blend correctly"… …and does it comes from someone in the know (first part of your quote:) Very true, F. that's why the third disclaimer exists. even the (second part of your quote:) director of El Laggy could just be spouting "teleprompted bullshit" to tell people who just go on the tours and know something about cigars. personally, i think that you could just include a quarter of the media tiempo and half of the other tobacco. sure, it might not resemble the Behike as much but i figure it'd still taste pretty fckn good. But what the hell do i know? Just a simple Canuck shitting on the metaphorical cars of the internet 1
mk05 Posted May 10, 2014 Posted May 10, 2014 I'd love to be corrected here but weren't Partagas Serie du Connoisseur a single leaf of ligero? Did they discontinue those? Oops.
Maplepie Posted May 10, 2014 Posted May 10, 2014 I'd love to be corrected here but weren't Partagas Serie du Connoisseur a single leaf of ligero? i honestly remember [in the back of my mind] the same thing... the filler was apparently rolled into the binder (another leaf) with the standard wrapper on it. naturally, the two i've had seem underfilled... don't like much partagas, maybe i'll go cut it up to see maybe you do have reason, mark. or maybe we're all just part of the grand illusion
dangolf18 Posted May 10, 2014 Posted May 10, 2014 I'll take a BHK in any vitola under 48 RG. I don't think they could get the BHK blend right in anything thinner than a 42 RG though because there would be little room to fit in medio tiempo.
Smallclub Posted May 10, 2014 Posted May 10, 2014 I don't think they could get the BHK blend right in anything thinner than a 42 RG though because there would be little room to fit in medio tiempo. And what is exactly the contribution of the medio tiempo in the BHK blend? What does it bring, precisely? In which department? strenght, texture, flavor, depth? 1
Maplepie Posted May 10, 2014 Posted May 10, 2014 In which department? strenght, texture, flavor, depth? naturally, everything is up to speculation... arguably, it gives it strength because of the fact that it's a 'higher ligero'. That pare isn't that much speculative. Ligeros which are quality normally age fantastically. So flavour. Depth is caused more by ageing for a certain amount of time (is it 2 years or 3?) than the Media Tiempo. Texture: yeah, why the hell not. Texture too 1
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