humanity is stuffed - the good friday rant

[Ken Gargett]

Take a look at this from that centre of tolerance and understanding, Pimlico.

I'm all for kicking the poms but even I feel sympathy for them here.

First, what idiot bans hairstyles that block the view. They want an afro, fine (I feel discriminated against because I can’t grow one). They sit at the back so they don’t block the view.

I don’t really give a crap whether students wear uniforms or not but why on earth does it ostracise “non-binary and gender non-conforming students, or those who are struggling with their gender identity”. Whatever most of those are. But if this makes them feel important, again, who gives a crap.

But refusal to allow the flag of your country? What a bunch of delusional, self-important tossers. Good luck for the future of humanity. It has no chance. You don’t like the flag? Have it changed in the appropriate democratic manner. Or piss off to some country whose flag you do like because I'm sure that their system will welcome you and be grateful for the unsought views these idiots insist on dumping on everyone. They can contemplate that from the tiny fetid hole in the ground into which they are tossed, if they are lucky, while they sit in rat piss.

They don’t want to come to a school flying the national flag, fine. Don’t. do whatever you want and don’t worry about that education. You had more important things to worry about. And let us know how your stand worked out when thirty years later you are hosing vomit at three in the morning from some dodgy low class strip joint because it is the best, strike that, only job you can get. Although I doubt most of these idiots have enough brains to survive for thirty years.

The teachers obviously came from the jellyfish academy of learning because there is not a spine among them. I'd sack the lot but then the entire education system would go out. suspension without pay would be the least they deserve.

As for the headmaster, he should be transferred to be the head of a hastily built outhouse on a storm swept rock in the North Sea with a class of rotting crab corpses and a blind penguin for students.

Humanity is stuffed.

 

 

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[Bijan]

I grew up in Montreal which is in Quebec. This was during the time when Quebec separatism was more of a thing than at present, referendum went 50.5% no to 49.5% yes I believe. We never pledged allegiance or listened to the national anthem at school. I liked it just fine. I think I was socialized just fine and fit in properly into society. Everyone who grew up in Ontario with the anthem, thinks that's natural. Fine for them. I don't see it as an issue, but then I am not a strong nationalist.

[Ken Gargett]

2 minutes ago, Bijan said:

I grew up in Montreal which is in Quebec. This was during the time when Quebec separatism was more of a thing than at present, referendum went 50.5% no to 49.5% yes I believe. We never pledged allegiance or listened to the national anthem at school. I liked it just fine. I think I was socialized just fine and fit in properly into society. Everyone who grew up in Ontario with the anthem, thinks that's natural. Fine for them. I don't see it as an issue, but then I am not a strong nationalist.

i may have got a touched more wound up about this than completely necessary. it wasn't so much the kids being kids and deciding that they could dictate to the nation but rather that the headmaster just caved. he really should know better. 

my apols to anyone i may have offended. 

[SpecialK]

40 minutes ago, Ken Gargett said:

i may have got a touched more wound up about this than completely necessary. it wasn't so much the kids being kids and deciding that they could dictate to the nation but rather that the headmaster just caved. he really should know better. 

my apols to anyone i may have offended. 

You are not wound up,  and not the only person who feels this way. I for one am not offended. 

[Ken Gargett]

Just now, SpecialK said:

You are not wound up,  and not the only person who feels this way. I for one am not offended. 

thanks. i still think humanity is stuffed. 

[Chibearsv]

You’ll get nothing but agreement from me. I think you’re spot on and it’s the same crap we see on this side of the globe in more areas than schools. The notion that every nutty individual’s ideas and self identification is expected to be valued by everyone is a ridiculous impossibility.  Self expression is becoming the only thing that matters.  No consideration of how to promote the good of the whole.  We are deeply headed for anarchy.

[Bijan]

50 minutes ago, Ken Gargett said:

thanks. i still think humanity is stuffed. 

I hope the salvation of mankind doesn't depend on the reasonableness of the political demands of teenagers. Otherwise we've been stuffed for a long time now.

In any case just because a situation is absolutely outrageous doesn't mean it'll have much impact on society as a whole.

I'm living in Ontario and we have two publicly funded school systems one public and one catholic. The catholic schools at least their grade schools will not admit a Jewish student as a matter of principle unless they convert or one of their parents convert or a special dispensation is given by the school board. I can think of nothing more offensive in the light of history, than public money going to such a school, but the world continues as before and it has very little effect in practice. This is all just due to the fact that catholics were the main religious minority for a while and have constitutional protections which the other religions do not enjoy.

As a side note when I was in Quebec at the time all school boards were either protestant or catholic. I went to a catholic school, but as I wasn't catholic I wasn't obligated to take the catechism. That system is now gone and school boards are on linguistic lines. Don't know if it has made any bit of difference.

[mprach024]

Social dilemmas....today’s are weirder for sure, but the arguments are the same. 

Rewind to any point in history and this conversation was being had.  Your parents probably said it, you just don’t remember because you were too young, and they didn’t include you.  

I heard a comedian say, every generation is the worst version of humans to come around.  Thought that was funny, and true to a point.  Each generation has more and more luxuries, comforts, and things we take for granted.  Which are growing exponentially.   Can’t force these kids into our system, that’s already a dead system, now we need to adapt or die to stay up with whatever the social system looks like today.  If you think that sucks, wait until you see what it looks like tomorrow.  

[Ken Gargett]

4 minutes ago, Bijan said:

I hope the salvation of mankind doesn't depend on the reasonableness of the political demands of teenagers. Otherwise we've been stuffed for a long time now.

In any case just because a situation is absolutely outrageous doesn't mean it'll have much impact on society as a whole.

I'm living in Ontario and we have two publicly funded school systems one public and one catholic. The catholic schools at least their grade schools will not admit a Jewish student as a matter of principle unless they convert or one of their parents convert or a special dispensation is given by the school board. I can think of nothing more offensive in the light of history, than public money going to such a school, but the world continues as before and it has very little effect in practice. This is all just due to the fact that catholics were the main religious minority for a while and have constitutional protections which the other religions do not enjoy.

As a side note when I was in Quebec at the time all school boards were either protestant or catholic. I went to a catholic school, but as I wasn't catholic I wasn't obligated to take the catechism. That system is now gone and school boards are on linguistic lines. Don't know if it has made any bit of difference.

i'm staggered they were allowed to get away with excluding jews. astonishing. 

i went to an anglican school. i think there was one jew but he was a good bloke and i don't think any of us had a clue what a jew was anyway. 

in those days, racism was par for the course and no one thought twice. we were basically clueless idiots but i would venture the majority of us certainly meant no harm. too stupid to realise the harm we caused. 

as anglicans, we were merciless in mocking catholics but i reckon if you asked what exactly was a catholic, i doubt 5% of the kids could have told you. i could not have. but i knew we were supposed to hate them. 

i came from a family (my mother still does not trust japanese especially, or the germans) where i remember as a kid watching the local footy game on tv. valleys v brothers. my grandmother came in, with whom i was very close, and asked who was playing. i told her. she got up and walked out. she would not stay in a room where a catholic team was playing on the tv, that was how much she hated them. i had no idea why. but she had more reason than most. my grandfather, her husband, had spent almost four years in the trenches in WWI and died quite young from the residue of gas and many other injuries. plenty of other relatives had also suffered. in her view, the irish (and i am not looking to turn this into a fight about the irish as i know many irish fought and died in WWI) with the 1916 rebellion and links to germany, could never be forgiven. and she never did forgive them. 

all seems rather silly now. 

[Fosgate]

Humanity is stuffed. 

I grew up in eastern South Dakota going to gradeschool in the 70's. Back then the grade school principal carried a .44 Revolver on the hip. High School kids drove trucks with loaded shotguns in the back window of their pickups. Teachers then were high caliber and did not tolerate back talk from students and if you tried to complain about them to your parents your parents knew your teacher very well and they would tell you to shut up and listen to your teacher. Also, I didn't think of this until recently. But it seems every school back then had Weaping Willow tree's growing on or around the property. They were fun to pull a branch off, strip the leaves and have the equivilent to a bullwhip to a 6yr old and pop your best friend in the but with one. On the flip side though, if you got in trouble with the teachers they would make you go pick your switch and make you hold out your hands and smack your hands with one. Holy crap that stung. 4th Grade, Mr Murphy who was also a coach would just one hand snatch you out of your desk and run you to the door so fast a kid would often leave footprints on the chalkboard. He'd take you straight to the principal office, come back to the class, grab your desk and set it in the hallway. When the Principal was done chewing your ass and calling your parents you would be forced to sit in the hallway to do your homework. Your class would file past for recess and then the Mr. Murphy would call you in to the classroom and release you. When recess was over you were expected to be in front of the line and drop in your desk first as Mr. Murphy was standing there waiting and then your class would pass you and file back into the class room. Each teacher had something like that. Something, phsycal or publically humiliating of both. It didn't change when I hit high school neighter. Our Principal was Mr. Clark. Big 6'5 280lb football coach used to play for the NE Patriots, that would lift a freshman off the ground one armed and pin them to the wall at his eye level. Then he would point like a drill instructor and chew your ass just lound enough so the rest of the class could hear and had eyes that would burn through your head like lasers. Thank god I got along with him then and famously today as he would bail me out of school to go duck hunting frequently. 

But yeah, I brought guns in to refinish in JR High, Had a loaded weapon on the front seat of my car to go hunt with after school if I wasn't working. When I went through my growing pains I could have ibuprofin in my pocket and self administer without needing a nurse. Bullies? Teachers knew who they were and if you got the better on one of them they wouldn't do anything to you because they were always problems in their classess too. I remember one kid from my class finally lost his cool when 3 kids tried to bully him. He ripped a sink off the wall and knocked out two of them with it before dropping and shattering the sink, then punched the third one frozen in terror. He cut himself and I remember Mr. Clark while duck hunting was laughing he was so impressed they didn't even charge the kid for the sink. Can't do any of that stuff today.

I noticed a change in teachers about 1989-90. About the same time when Kids were getting sent home for wearing the Bart Simpson "Eat my Shorts" T-shirt. It was suddenly like, teachers couldn't touch you or discipline you in the same way as the past and instead In School Suspension in an isolated room was the new punishment. They pulled Vocational Classes out and made them only available through 2yr VoTech Trade Schools. Since then the quality of teachers and the discipline in schools has been in constant decline. 

If I had a kid today and enter them in school in 5yrs, I'd probably have Social Services on my door stop within 24hrs or teachers wanting to put my kid on Ritlin to knock them out because they don't want to deal with them or both. Friggin softies. 

 

 

[Ken Gargett]

17 minutes ago, Fosgate said:

Humanity is stuffed. 

I grew up in eastern South Dakota going to gradeschool in the 70's. Back then the grade school principal carried a .44 Revolver on the hip. High School kids drove trucks with loaded shotguns in the back window of their pickups. Teachers then were high caliber and did not tolerate back talk from students and if you tried to complain about them to your parents your parents knew your teacher very well and they would tell you to shut up and listen to your teacher. Also, I didn't think of this until recently. But it seems every school back then had Weaping Willow tree's growing on or around the property. They were fun to pull a branch off, strip the leaves and have the equivilent to a bullwhip to a 6yr old and pop your best friend in the but with one. On the flip side though, if you got in trouble with the teachers they would make you go pick your switch and make you hold out your hands and smack your hands with one. Holy crap that stung. 4th Grade, Mr Murphy who was also a coach would just one hand snatch you out of your desk and run you to the door so fast a kid would often leave footprints on the chalkboard. He'd take you straight to the principal office, come back to the class, grab your desk and set it in the hallway. When the Principal was done chewing your ass and calling your parents you would be forced to sit in the hallway to do your homework. Your class would file past for recess and then the Mr. Murphy would call you in to the classroom and release you. When recess was over you were expected to be in front of the line and drop in your desk first as Mr. Murphy was standing there waiting and then your class would pass you and file back into the class room. Each teacher had something like that. Something, phsycal or publically humiliating of both. It didn't change when I hit high school neighter. Our Principal was Mr. Clark. Big 6'5 280lb football coach used to play for the NE Patriots, that would lift a freshman off the ground one armed and pin them to the wall at his eye level. Then he would point like a drill instructor and chew your ass just lound enough so the rest of the class could hear and had eyes that would burn through your head like lasers. Thank god I got along with him then and famously today as he would bail me out of school to go duck hunting frequently. 

But yeah, I brought guns in to refinish in JR High, Had a loaded weapon on the front seat of my car to go hunt with after school if I wasn't working. When I went through my growing pains I could have ibuprofin in my pocket and self administer without needing a nurse. Bullies? Teachers knew who they were and if you got the better on one of them they wouldn't do anything to you because they were always problems in their classess too. I remember one kid from my class finally lost his cool when 3 kids tried to bully him. He ripped a sink off the wall and knocked out two of them with it before dropping and shattering the sink, then punched the third one frozen in terror. He cut himself and I remember Mr. Clark while duck hunting was laughing he was so impressed they didn't even charge the kid for the sink. Can't do any of that stuff today.

I noticed a change in teachers about 1989-90. About the same time when Kids were getting sent home for wearing the Bart Simpson "Eat my Shorts" T-shirt. It was suddenly like, teachers couldn't touch you or discipline you in the same way as the past and instead In School Suspension in an isolated room was the new punishment. They pulled Vocational Classes out and made them only available through 2yr VoTech Trade Schools. Since then the quality of teachers and the discipline in schools has been in constant decline. 

If I had a kid today and enter them in school in 5yrs, I'd probably have Social Services on my door stop within 24hrs or teachers wanting to put my kid on Ritlin to knock them out because they don't want to deal with them or both. Friggin softies. 

 

 

yep, different days.

we had teachers like that or variations thereof. doubt most of them would get in the door these days. but they were mostly very good teachers and it is not as though we all came out as failures and criminals. 

[El Presidente]

Ken...this is a weekend of hope! 

I will say a little prayer that your glass be ever filled beyond the half way mark. 

Articles like that are media click bait. Getting a rise out of you is what they want. It is how they make money. 

The world would be a better place if people stopped falling for it 

[Ken Gargett]

Just now, El Presidente said:

Ken...this is a weekend of hope! 

I will say a little prayer that your glass be ever filled beyond the half way mark. 

Articles like that are media click bait. Getting a rise out of you is what they want. It is how they make money. 

The world would be a better place if people stopped falling for it 

perhaps not the weekend to discuss whether or not religion is a reason for hope. that can be your easter present. 

it was sent to me by a welsh mate and yes, they want clicks but it is also a story of what is happening. should we ignore it because it reveals the lunacy of planet? what you suggest applies to those pieces which have misleading headlines designed to get you in. 

that said, what you say is true but these days, that applies to all news, all media. they need the clicks to survive. and be honest, a headline of "children go to school; teachers do a good job" is not getting clicks from their mothers. 

i'm off to look for hope. don't wait up. 

[dominattorney]

15 minutes ago, Ken Gargett said:

 

i'm off to look for hope. don't wait up. 

God speed, Diogenes 

[Ken Gargett]

1 minute ago, dominattorney said:

God speed, Diogenes 

thanks but i'll leave the honest men to someone else. i suspect i am too old for that quest. 

[La_Tigre]

4 hours ago, Ken Gargett said:

Take a look at this from that centre of tolerance and understanding, Pimlico.

I'm all for kicking the poms but even I feel sympathy for them here.

First, what idiot bans hairstyles that block the view. They want an afro, fine (I feel discriminated against because I can’t grow one). They sit at the back so they don’t block the view.

I don’t really give a crap whether students wear uniforms or not but why on earth does it ostracise “non-binary and gender non-conforming students, or those who are struggling with their gender identity”. Whatever most of those are. But if this makes them feel important, again, who gives a crap.

But refusal to allow the flag of your country? What a bunch of delusional, self-important tossers. Good luck for the future of humanity. It has no chance. You don’t like the flag? Have it changed in the appropriate democratic manner. Or piss off to some country whose flag you do like because I'm sure that their system will welcome you and be grateful for the unsought views these idiots insist on dumping on everyone. They can contemplate that from the tiny fetid hole in the ground into which they are tossed, if they are lucky, while they sit in rat piss.

They don’t want to come to a school flying the national flag, fine. Don’t. do whatever you want and don’t worry about that education. You had more important things to worry about. And let us know how your stand worked out when thirty years later you are hosing vomit at three in the morning from some dodgy low class strip joint because it is the best, strike that, only job you can get. Although I doubt most of these idiots have enough brains to survive for thirty years.

The teachers obviously came from the jellyfish academy of learning because there is not a spine among them. I'd sack the lot but then the entire education system would go out. suspension without pay would be the least they deserve.

As for the headmaster, he should be transferred to be the head of a hastily built outhouse on a storm swept rock in the North Sea with a class of rotting crab corpses and a blind penguin for students.

Humanity is stuffed.

Yah, right, ok, Mr. Gargett.

April Fool’s, you got us.

[Ken Gargett]

2 minutes ago, La_Tigre said:

Yah, right, ok, Mr. Gargett.

April Fool’s, you got us.

apparently, sadly not.

the april fools one is the dog waders. 

[La_Tigre]

Just now, Ken Gargett said:

apparently, sadly not.

the april fools one is the dog waders. 

😉 

We absolutely love love love your scathing posts of this sort. 

[mprach024]

Ahhh yes, the good old days.  When we didn’t have Covid and social media sparked tensions.  Back when we just had Polio, Rubella, Measles, Mumps, an Ulcer could kill you, Segregation and the KKK.   Simpler times.

Remember progress is only a straight line if you never encounter a mountain, a river, a lake, a cliff or canyon.  It’s never perfect but the water finds its way downhill.

I don’t buy the doom, sorry no soliciting allowed.  There’s a lot of good people in this world doing amazing things beyond the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.  Wish we’d celebrate those real hero’s more.

For example:  Big cheers, prayers, and thanks from me to Ugur Sahin and Ozlem Tureci, everyone should know their names, but no one does. 

[Ken Gargett]

1 minute ago, La_Tigre said:

😉

We absolutely love love love your scathing posts of this sort. 

trust me, this was the watered down version. i deleted a bit where i thought i might be pushing things a smidge. 

[La_Tigre]

Just now, Ken Gargett said:

trust me, this was the watered down version. i deleted a bit where i thought i might be pushing things a smidge. 

🤣😂😅🤣😅

Not at all beyond the imagination. ¡Jajaja! We suspect El Pres views your posts being drafted in real time on a teleprompter 😊 

[Habana Mike]

2 hours ago, mprach024 said:

Ahhh yes, the good old days.  When we didn’t have Covid and social media sparked tensions.  Back when we just had Polio, Rubella, Measles, Mumps, an Ulcer could kill you, Segregation and the KKK.   Simpler times.

Remember progress is only a straight line if you never encounter a mountain, a river, a lake, a cliff or canyon.  It’s never perfect but the water finds its way downhill.

I don’t buy the doom, sorry no soliciting allowed.  There’s a lot of good people in this world doing amazing things beyond the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.  Wish we’d celebrate those real hero’s more.

For example:  Big cheers, prayers, and thanks from me to Ugur Sahin and Ozlem Tureci, everyone should know their names, but no one does. 

Turkish Germans working at BioNTech. Pfizer and the world should know who they are and thank them if this all works out...

[Nino]

12 hours ago, Fosgate said:

On the flip side though, if you got in trouble with the teachers they would make you go pick your switch and make you hold out your hands and smack your hands with one. Holy crap that stung.

 

Hahaha .., and here I thought it was just a Spanish school tradition 🙂

10 hours ago, mprach024 said:

For example:  Big cheers, prayers, and thanks from me to Ugur Sahin and Ozlem Tureci, everyone should know their names, but no one does. 

Quite well known and respected couple in my neck of the woods, not just because they are neighbours here.
Just received Germany's highest civilian award from the President. Well deserved.

[mprach024]

2 hours ago, nino said:

Quite well known and respected couple in my neck of the woods, not just because they are neighbours here.
Just received Germany's highest civilian award from the President. Well deserved.

That’s awesome, very well deserved

[CaptainQuintero]

 Someone said years back, could have been Carlin, that everything you see on the news is either to made you angry or afraid. Certainly seen a lot of that this year.

  There's an incredibly vocal minority of professionally offended people who take offense on behalf of others. For whatever reason they've been given very public soapboxes and then roles in county and national decision making where in older times they would be relegated to ranting at the pigeons at speakers corner.

  I think the vast majority shake their heads and get on with their day. 

  The sad thing is when headlines like these hide other real issues that are in need of serious attention. Everyone has a tale of what they see going on that should be being screamed at by the news but isn't being reported. My sister works in a school where pre-covid  4 and 5 year olds were coming in still in nappies. Now they're coming back after lockdown not even knowing what their names are anymore.

  I hope there's a coming together after all this and collectively we start work on moving towards living in the sunshine more instead of languishing in self made shadows. There's a lot of amazing people out there who do amazing work, we need to lift them up and bring a lot of people with them