Habanos 2000 box

[PaulP]

Saw this online, but could not find any more information about it or find another one.  Supposedly held 10 each of the three millennium cigars.  Do you think it may have been produced by a LCdH?

[BellevilleMXZ]

Nice.....

[NSXCIGAR]

I don't believe this was an official HSA release. The only 2000 releases I'm aware of were the Cuaba, Monte and Cohiba jars. Hopefully, it's a LCDH release. Otherwise, it's homemade. Without any provenance or indicators as to what LCDH released it it's going to be very difficult to confirm it's origin. 

[mkz]

The clasp doesn't look aligned... Just a warning sign in my world.

[Doctorossi]

The seal is suspicious to me. I would expect them to apply it to an external box, a la other varnished box releases.

[Fugu]

Chintzy Cuban backyard bricolage, if you ask me. The use of a warranty seal makes it a fake.

Edit: No, actually without the reservation "if you ask me" - it is.

[cigcars]

      * Is there any heat stamp on the bottom of the box with factory & date codes??

[El Presidente]

2 hours ago, mkz said:

The clasp doesn't look aligned... Just a warning sign in my world.

crikey......if we are dependent on the quality of clasps and clasp placement to determine authenticity.....we are all screwed.  On average you can find  3% of latches on the bottom of the mastercase where they have fallen to.  On boxes such as Monte Edmundo and MPE I would put 20% of latches as applied in a faulty manner. 

[btort910]

real or not, still looks pretty nice.

[Islandboy]

Does seem strange they would place a seal right over a fancy finish like that. Sometimes a box is just a box.

[BrightonCorgi]

I thought it was only jars.  I keep an empry Montecristo 2000 jar on my desk.  Cigars are long gone.

[Smallclub]

The number on the warranty seal starts with "XX" so the original seal should be found below, and there should a "REVISADO" mention somewhere… (I think).

[mkz]

13 hours ago, El Presidente said:

crikey......if we are dependent on the quality of clasps and clasp placement to determine authenticity.....we are all screwed.  On average you can find  3% of latches on the bottom of the mastercase where they have fallen to.  On boxes such as Monte Edmundo and MPE I would put 20% of latches as applied in a faulty manner. 

I know. Cuba is Cuba. 

[TheGipper]

On 9/4/2017 at 1:37 PM, mkz said:

The clasp doesn't look aligned... Just a warning sign in my world.

Holy smokes, I have dozens of fake boxes by this standard....

The clasp pictured here is better aligned than 90% of the boxes I've ever had.

And the fact that it actually closes and stays closed makes it better than about 5% of all boxes I ever had.

[SonOfDirtDog]

Here's a fact: The box is fake. This type of packaging never existed for the Habanos 2000 release.
Here's an opinion: You should defecate in the box and mail it back to the seller.

[mkz]

On 2017-09-05 at 11:53 PM, TheGipper said:

Holy smokes, I have dozens of fake boxes by this standard....

The clasp pictured here is better aligned than 90% of the boxes I've ever had.

And the fact that it actually closes and stays closed makes it better than about 5% of all boxes I ever had.

I never claimed fakes. Only the fact the clasp was off, which I find rather disturbing when it comes to such a "rare" box. But once again: CIC 

[TheGipper]

8 hours ago, mkz said:

I never claimed fakes. Only the fact the clasp was off, which I find rather disturbing when it comes to such a "rare" box. But once again: CIC 

Well, I can't agree that this falls under the "Cuba being Cuba" canard.  There's nothing wrong or uncommon with how that clasp is aligned.  If you're referring to the rotation of the black button at the center, it will rotate with just a little pressure applied.  Many, many legit boxes will have the black button rotated a little or a lot.  (And as an aside, I doubt anyone is "counterfeiting" these little Schmale or Italian clasps anyway...fake-makers will quite obviously just pull real ones off of empty boxes or backdoor real ones out of the factory.)

But why are we quibbling over such minuscule detail from blurry photos over the internet?  All these "Real or fake" threads always over-analyze detail that is just incidental to the provenance of the box. You know the kind....the threads from someone who bought a box on the beach in Cancun for half the wholesale price and then someone feels the need to point out the shield on the warranty seal isn't precisely centered on the lid corner.

The question over this box is better settled over the obvious facts.  The obvious facts being: 1) No one has ever seen these boxes before, and 2) We know the Reserva Milenio series originally came in ceramic jars of 25.

Sure, that doesn't settle the question 100%, but it's far more useful than trying to look at clasps and factory stamps.

Sorry for the rant and I don't mean to make this personal, so my apologies for any pointed words...these threads are always a pet peeve of mine.  On another board I used to post photos of utterly real boxes and let the pedants pick away at micro-detail they see in blurry photos; with the inevitable conclusion that every Habanos box on the face of the earth is counterfeit.

[Jack]

This is the Habanos 2000 Festival cigar packaging I'm familiar with.

 

 

[prodigy]

This is the Habanos 2000 Festival cigar packaging I'm familiar with.
 
 

Resurrecting old threads?

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[Jack]

Whoops, sorry!  I saw September and didn't look at the year.  I was doing a search on google and this popped up.  My apologies.