PigFish Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 What is a sublime Cuban cigar? Furthermore, what percentage of all the cigars rolled in Cuba are, or do you estimate will be 'sublime' cigars? Why do you think what you think on this subject? And most importantly, how do you find the sublime ones??? Thanks for sharing! -The Pig 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lant63 Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 The best one was the ed54, 25000 cigars made. It's a sublime cigar because I actually crave it. I like to smoke cigars but i actually crave my yearly or semi yearly Ed 54. I understand I didn't answer the way you were hoping, I'll take another swing at it later today. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post fabes Posted March 29, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted March 29, 2017 To me a sublime cuban cigar is the one that catches you off guard by delivering an unexpectedly blissful experience. Why? Because that's the conclusion I've reached from personal evidence. Those "sublime" cigar exleriences for me are never dictated by a specific cigar. True, I look forward to certain cigars no matter how casual or "special" they may be. Often times they are great. But the truly "sublime" cigars... the cigar lets you know. Lastly, percentage-wise it's indeterminable because you only know of the sublime cuban cigar when you are experiencing it. I would be frequently let down if I expected a sublime experience from every cigar. Rather, I expect to have a good, enjoyable cigar every time I smoke one, and am delighted when it is sublime. 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Kbb Posted March 29, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted March 29, 2017 What is a sublime Cuban cigar? A cigar that creates a distinct memory due to flavor, not just where and when you smoked it. Even years later you may not recall where and when you had it, but you remember the stick and the taste experience. Furthermore, what percentage of all the cigars rolled in Cuba are, or do you estimate will be 'sublime' cigars? Unknown and unanswerable. At least according to my definition of a sublime cigar. It will all depend upon the person. Unless you are asking on an individual basis what percentage of cigars does the individual feel is sublime. But this would be inaccurate to apply to all of Cuba. Why do you think what you think on this subject? Because flavor is subjective to the individual. And most importantly, how do you find the sublime ones??? Mostly dumb luck. As each cigar can be relatively independent of another, you have to be lucky to find consistency. You don't know the consistency until after the cigar has been smoked. You could have 1 sublime cigar in a box of 25 or all 25 might be that way. You could improve your probability of success, however, by seeking out cigars that have been sublime to you in the past. But this does not guarantee it will be sublime to someone else. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islandboy Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 I agree that a large part of having a sublime experience rests with the surrounding circumstances. Having said that, I’ve noticed a fair degree of inconsistency of taste from cigars within the same box, and every once in a while I’ve unexpectedly experienced sublime flavor by simply picking out a real “winner” of the bunch by chance. For me, this has happened with a certain memorable CoRo as well as a Trini Coloniales. I’ve only been enjoying CC’s for less than a year now, so I definitely look forward to experiencing this more often. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave001 Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 wow that's a tough question to answer but based on my experiences of the past 11 years (we all have had duds of course per box) but overall from a period of 1985 to 2010 I have found the monte especial no 1 to be a cut above everything else I ever smoked, granted there were many close seconds but to me that cigar is pure perfection easily a 98-99 smoking experience after 20 years 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raymond5737 Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 47 minutes ago, fabes said: To me a sublime cuban cigar is the one that catches you off guard by delivering an unexpectedly blissful experience. Why? Because that's the conclusion I've reached from personal evidence. Those "sublime" cigar exleriences for me are never dictated by a specific cigar. True, I look forward to certain cigars no matter how casual or "special" they may be. Often times they are great. But the truly "sublime" cigars... the cigar lets you know. Lastly, percentage-wise it's indeterminable because you only know of the sublime cuban cigar when you are experiencing it. I would be frequently let down if I expected a sublime experience from every cigar. Rather, I expect to have a good, enjoyable cigar every time I smoke one, and am delighted when it is sublime. So True Fabes, So True! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torsion Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 12 minutes ago, raymond5737 said: So True Fabes, So True! @fabes you nailed it bro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canadianbeaver Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 The ones named in Trevor's site or ones we like best? Cohiba Sublime Double Robusto 2004? I should be so lucky! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HarveyBoulevard Posted March 29, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted March 29, 2017 6.5 x 54 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RijkdeGooier Posted March 29, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted March 29, 2017 For me a sublime CC is 1. A consistently great cigar that you count on to deliver fantastic taste time and time again in a large classic format. 2. That is consistently for sale ie regular production not a hit and miss EL or Special Production, although many are great smokes 3. For me, it is the unparalleled Montecristo A which delivers a fantastic flavor in a major way every time I light one. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnS Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 1 hour ago, canadianbeaver said: The ones named in Trevor's site or ones we like best? Cohiba Sublime Double Robusto 2004? I should be so lucky! I thought the same thing, CB! Even a Montecristo Sublime, yes I would be so lucky too! Fabes summed it up well, in regards to the cigar itself. I'd only add that if you have a sublime cigar + an uplifting, encouraging and positive vibe one gets from dear friends, then together you get a sublime cigar experience, and this combination I truly seek and crave because of the happy memories. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post NSXCIGAR Posted March 29, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted March 29, 2017 Sublime cigars! 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colt45 Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 I don't believe a cigar can be, in and of itself. I believe it is the unique dynamism of a singular moment in time which makes an experience truly sublime. Wang Chung 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canadianbeaver Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 Re-thinking this. Sub. Lime. Where I like a Corona. Beer that is. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scap99 Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 2 minutes ago, canadianbeaver said: Re-thinking this. Sub. Lime. Where I like a Corona. Beer that is. Corona =/= Beer. Beer only comes in brown glass bottles. Anything else is not beer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NSXCIGAR Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 3 hours ago, PigFish said: What is a sublime Cuban cigar? Furthermore, what percentage of all the cigars rolled in Cuba are, or do you estimate will be 'sublime' cigars? Why do you think what you think on this subject? And most importantly, how do you find the sublime ones??? Thanks for sharing! -The Pig Well, I suppose the number of great cigars produced is commensurate with what percentage of great cigars we smoke, which isn't that many. Sublime is a pretty strong word, and I'd have to reserve that for cigars in the 95+ point range, of which I have smoked exactly one in the last several years--a late 2013 Monte 4. And it was the only one in the box above a 90-91. And it was smoked in April of 2015, so a mass-produced Mareva with less than 18 months on it was the best cigar I've smoked in years. Some have come close, like the BCG which I gave a 93-94, the Boli Tubos which I put in the low 90s, Mag 56, Connie A, SCEP again, all low 90s. Whether they come around to 95+ after some time--maybe. But we're talking about a number WAY lower than 1% for me. How many cigars does Rob & Ken review that are stellar, like 95+ pointers? Maybe one or two per year, and they frequently review some pretty special production like the Dip Bushido, 2-year-old El Laguito Lanceros, SP Eslavos, etc. And even their 95+ point hit rate is probably <10%. All we can really do is pay attention to what people are saying, and try and strike while the iron is hot. I've had success with that approach, particularly with the BCG and Punch Punch. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzz Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 2 hours ago, JohnS said: I thought the same thing, CB! Even a Montecristo Sublime, yes I would be so lucky too! Really? Maybe you will.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc2001 Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 Ahh, Piggy - you have a tough question there. When you say "sublime", I interpret that as excellent, exalted, superb, wonderful or superlative within the context of cigar taste. It's a very personal experience. What is a sublime Cuban cigar? I don't think it applies to the origin of a cigar, or even to a material object such as a cigar, but rather to the experience associated with smoking the cigar. To put the experience of smoking a cigar in such terms, for me, it would be a smoking experience that stands out as being personally pleasing, satisfying, easily recalled as a somewhat special moment elicited specifically by the act of smoking the cigar in question. And I would add that I look forward to repeating it soon. What percentage of all the cigars rolled in Cuba are, or do you estimate will be 'sublime' cigars? I don't think I could quantify the number of cigars that would (or will) elicit such praise. Since it is personal and unique to every individual I can only express it based on my own personal experience. For me, I would say 10 in 25 cigars (~ 40%) I smoke I can personally rate as sublime. But again, it is my personal scale, my experience. Why do you think what you think on this subject? It's a highly subjective subject, so it's my personal interpretation and viewpoint. It's an individual gauge or assessment of how one feels, and this is how I feel. Cigars that make me want to smoke more of them and seek them out and stockpile them are cigars that I rate as sublime. They make me feel good, happy, pleased and fulfilled... isn't that what cigar smoking should be all about? how do you find the sublime ones??? Well, it's a common and continual pursuit. I have simply stumbled upon cigars that elicit this praise simply by trying a lot of different cigars. Once I find a cigar that rates in that category, I embark on the challenging task of building a supply of them based on the brand, date and factory code that made me feel that way. Even then, it is hit or miss quite often, but I do get lucky about half the time. I will add too, that sometimes some cigars start out well below that rating, and I may forget about it or put it away for a long nap, and then I get back to them years later and DING, DING, DING! Where did these suckers come from?!?!? How do I get more of these? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dageshi Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 There are a couple of cigars I recall a H Upman Connie A and a Trinidad Reyes which were absolutely spectacular, others I had bought at the same time of the same vitola couldn't come close. I've often tried to articulate the taste/flavour I got from them and the closest I can come is that it tasted like what "Pearl" looks like. That's a bad way to put it but I know of no better, there was a quality to them, a seam of flavour that ran through them that no other words can quite adequately describe. They were 99 cigars for me, every puff was extraordinary, I've been chasing similar experiences since. I would call those sublime for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luv2fly Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 I will put the "Sub" on a cigar that causes me to pause and think deeper about why I enjoy these experiences. Contemplation time is key. The "lime" is added when I am doing this with a good friend(s) and great conversation ensues. So for me, a "Sublime" cigar is one that is truly enjoyable with the flavors and when I share with great company. Sappy yes, but who cares! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dicko Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 I seem to have about one or two truly sublime cigars a year. So about 1%Sent from my SM-N910G using Tapatalk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NSXCIGAR Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 1 hour ago, luv2fly said: I will put the "Sub" on a cigar that causes me to pause and think deeper about why I enjoy these experiences. Contemplation time is key. I think that's the very nature of a great cigar. Of all the cigars we smoke, we've all had ones that literally cause us to go "whoa!" and stop, and all our attention goes to what we are tasting, and savor it. Cigars where we shake our heads at every puff, marveling at how good it is compared to everything else we've had all year and think "why can't they all be like this--I'd spend whatever if I could guarantee this quality." To me, this is where I start heading to 95+ points, and the word sublime starts coming into play. And depending on the evolution of the cigar, the construction and burn, and how many nuances that are detectable, we start working our way up to the lofty 100 points. How many cigars hit the 95 for me? Like I said, only had one in two years. So less than 1%. But at least when you hit one, it gives you some hope that it's still possible for these HSA bozos to produce amazing cigars. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc2001 Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 9 hours ago, PigFish said: What is a sublime Cuban cigar? Furthermore, what percentage of all the cigars rolled in Cuba are, or do you estimate will be 'sublime' cigars? Why do you think what you think on this subject? And most importantly, how do you find the sublime ones??? Thanks for sharing! -The Pig What's your take @PigFish? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean3 Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 Dammit Mr. Piggy, you've gone and got everyone using big words and math again...my brain hurts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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