The Sublime Cuban Cigar


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What is a sublime Cuban cigar? Furthermore, what percentage of all the cigars rolled in Cuba are, or do you estimate will be 'sublime' cigars? Why do you think what you think on this subject? And most importantly, how do you find the sublime ones???

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-The Pig

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The best one was the ed54, 25000 cigars made. It's a sublime cigar because I actually crave it. I like to smoke cigars but i actually crave my yearly or semi yearly Ed 54.

I understand I didn't answer the way you were hoping, I'll take another swing at it later today.


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I agree that a large part of having a sublime experience rests with the surrounding circumstances. Having said that, I’ve noticed a fair degree of inconsistency of taste from cigars within the same box, and every once in a while I’ve unexpectedly experienced sublime flavor by simply picking out a real “winner” of the bunch by chance. For me, this has happened with a certain memorable CoRo as well as a Trini Coloniales. I’ve only been enjoying CC’s for less than a year now, so I definitely look forward to experiencing this more often.

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wow that's a tough question to answer but based on my experiences of the past 11 years (we all have had duds of course per box) but overall from a period of 1985 to 2010 I have found the monte especial no 1 to be a cut above everything else I ever smoked, granted there were many close seconds but to me that cigar is pure perfection easily a 98-99 smoking experience after 20 years

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47 minutes ago, fabes said:

To me a sublime cuban cigar is the one that catches you off guard by delivering an unexpectedly blissful experience.  

Why? Because that's the conclusion I've reached from personal evidence. Those "sublime" cigar exleriences for me are never dictated by a specific cigar. 

True, I look forward to certain cigars no matter how casual or "special" they may be. Often times they are great.

But the truly "sublime" cigars... the cigar lets you know. 

Lastly, percentage-wise it's indeterminable because you only know of the sublime cuban cigar when you are experiencing it.

I would be frequently let down if I expected a sublime experience from every cigar. Rather, I expect to have a good, enjoyable cigar every time I smoke one, and am delighted when it is sublime. 

So True Fabes, So True!

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1 hour ago, canadianbeaver said:

The ones named in Trevor's site or ones we like best?

Cohiba Sublime Double Robusto 2004? I should be so lucky! :hungry:

I thought the same thing, CB! Even a Montecristo Sublime, yes I would be so lucky too!

Fabes summed it up well, in regards to the cigar itself. I'd only add that if you have a sublime cigar + an uplifting, encouraging and positive vibe one gets from dear friends, then together you get a sublime cigar experience, and this combination I truly seek and crave because of the happy memories.

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2 minutes ago, canadianbeaver said:

Re-thinking this.

Sub. Lime. 

Where I like a Corona.

Beer that is.

 

 

Corona =/= Beer.

Beer only comes in brown glass bottles.  Anything else is not beer.

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3 hours ago, PigFish said:

What is a sublime Cuban cigar? Furthermore, what percentage of all the cigars rolled in Cuba are, or do you estimate will be 'sublime' cigars? Why do you think what you think on this subject? And most importantly, how do you find the sublime ones???

Thanks for sharing!

-The Pig

Well, I suppose the number of great cigars produced is commensurate with what percentage of great cigars we smoke, which isn't that many. Sublime is a pretty strong word, and I'd have to reserve that for cigars in the 95+ point range, of which I have smoked exactly one in the last several years--a late 2013 Monte 4. And it was the only one in the box above a 90-91. And it was smoked in April of 2015, so a mass-produced Mareva with less than 18 months on it was the best cigar I've smoked in years. 

Some have come close, like the BCG which I gave a 93-94, the Boli Tubos which I put in the low 90s, Mag 56, Connie A, SCEP again, all low 90s. Whether they come around to 95+ after some time--maybe. But we're talking about a number WAY lower than 1% for me. How many cigars does Rob & Ken review that are stellar, like 95+ pointers? Maybe one or two per year, and they frequently review some pretty special production like the Dip Bushido, 2-year-old El Laguito Lanceros, SP Eslavos, etc. And even their 95+ point hit rate is probably <10%.

All we can really do is pay attention to what people are saying, and try and strike while the iron is hot. I've had success with that approach, particularly with the BCG and Punch Punch.

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Ahh, Piggy - you have a tough question there. 

When you say "sublime", I interpret that as excellent, exalted, superb, wonderful or superlative within the context of cigar taste. It's a very personal experience.

What is a sublime Cuban cigar?

I don't think it applies to the origin of a cigar, or even to a material object such as a cigar, but rather to the experience associated with smoking the cigar. To put the experience of smoking a cigar in such terms, for me, it would be a smoking experience that stands out as being personally pleasing, satisfying, easily recalled as a somewhat special moment elicited specifically by the act of smoking the cigar in question. And I would add that I look forward to repeating it soon.

What percentage of all the cigars rolled in Cuba are, or do you estimate will be 'sublime' cigars?

I don't think I could quantify the number of cigars that would (or will) elicit such praise. Since it is personal and unique to every individual I can only express it based on my own personal experience. For me, I would say 10 in 25 cigars (~ 40%) I smoke I can personally rate as sublime. But again, it is my personal scale, my experience.

Why do you think what you think on this subject?

It's a highly subjective subject, so it's my personal interpretation and viewpoint. It's an individual gauge or assessment of how one feels, and this is how I feel. Cigars that make me want to smoke more of them and seek them out and stockpile them are cigars that I rate as sublime. They make me feel good, happy, pleased and fulfilled... isn't that what cigar smoking should be all about?

how do you find the sublime ones???

Well, it's a common and continual pursuit. I have simply stumbled upon cigars that elicit this praise simply by trying a lot of different cigars. Once I find a cigar that rates in that category, I embark on the challenging task of building a supply of them based on the brand, date and factory code that made me feel that way. Even then, it is hit or miss quite often, but I do get lucky about half the time. I will add too, that sometimes some cigars start out well below that rating, and I may forget about it or put it away for a long nap, and then I get back to them years later and DING, DING, DING! Where did these suckers come from?!?!? How do I get more of these?

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There are a couple of cigars I recall a H Upman Connie A and a Trinidad Reyes which were absolutely spectacular, others I had bought at the same time of the same vitola couldn't come close. I've often tried to articulate the taste/flavour I got from them and the closest I can come is that it tasted like what "Pearl" looks like. That's a bad way to put it but I know of no better, there was a quality to them, a seam of flavour that ran through them that no other words can quite adequately describe. They were 99 cigars for me, every puff was extraordinary, I've been chasing similar experiences since. I would call those sublime for sure.

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I will put the "Sub" on a cigar that causes me to pause and think deeper about why I enjoy these experiences.  Contemplation time is key.  The "lime" is added when I am doing this with a good friend(s) and great conversation ensues.

So for me, a "Sublime" cigar is one that is truly enjoyable with the flavors and when I share with great company.

Sappy yes, but who cares!  :D

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1 hour ago, luv2fly said:

I will put the "Sub" on a cigar that causes me to pause and think deeper about why I enjoy these experiences.  Contemplation time is key. 

I think that's the very nature of a great cigar. Of all the cigars we smoke, we've all had ones that literally cause us to go "whoa!" and stop, and all our attention goes to what we are tasting, and savor it. Cigars where we shake our heads at every puff, marveling at how good it is compared to everything else we've had all year and think "why can't they all be like this--I'd spend whatever if I could guarantee this quality."

To me, this is where I start heading to 95+ points, and the word sublime starts coming into play. And depending on the evolution of the cigar, the construction and burn, and how many nuances that are detectable, we start working our way up to the lofty 100 points. 

How many cigars hit the 95 for me? Like I said, only had one in two years. So less than 1%. But at least when you hit one, it gives you some hope that it's still possible for these HSA bozos to produce amazing cigars.

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9 hours ago, PigFish said:

What is a sublime Cuban cigar? Furthermore, what percentage of all the cigars rolled in Cuba are, or do you estimate will be 'sublime' cigars? Why do you think what you think on this subject? And most importantly, how do you find the sublime ones???

Thanks for sharing!

-The Pig

What's your take @PigFish?

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