Usama Bin Landen Dead

[mykeuva]

as an aside, and nothwithstanding what we would all like to see them do with the corpse, what the hell are they going to do with it? they'd have been better to put 500 rounds in it and leave it.

can't have someone snapping a quick pic and turning it into the next che t-shirt (and given che was probably far more insane, don't think it couldn't happen).

can't bury it where anyone can turn it into a shrine, though i suspect it would be vandalised by the minute.

can't do anything that may help turn him into a martyr.

anyone any ideas?

Reports are that it will be buried at sea, undisclosed location. Also, sounds like they will follow Islamic practice and bury it within 24 hours, washed and wrapped in white cloth.

[El Presidente]

as an aside, and nothwithstanding what we would all like to see them do with the corpse, what the hell are they going to do with it? they'd have been better to put 500 rounds in it and leave it.

can't have someone snapping a quick pic and turning it into the next che t-shirt (and given che was probably far more insane, don't think it couldn't happen).

can't bury it where anyone can turn it into a shrine, though i suspect it would be vandalised by the minute.

can't do anything that may help turn him into a martyr.

anyone any ideas?

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[jedipastor]

as an aside, and nothwithstanding what we would all like to see them do with the corpse, what the hell are they going to do with it? they'd have been better to put 500 rounds in it and leave it.

can't have someone snapping a quick pic and turning it into the next che t-shirt (and given che was probably far more insane, don't think it couldn't happen).

can't bury it where anyone can turn it into a shrine, though i suspect it would be vandalised by the minute.

can't do anything that may help turn him into a martyr.

anyone any ideas?

Burried at sea is the plan, and a good one in my opinion. You don't want some kind of honorific or shrine or whatever.

And congrats to all the Allied troops involved in this long hunt! The US may have shot the final bullet, but the Aussies' contributions are well known, as are those of Brittian, Canada, and others.

[mykeuva]

Just reported that the body has already been buried at sea, and islamic tradition was followed.

[Ken Gargett]

Just reported that the body has already been buried at sea, and islamic tradition was followed.

just heard that. sensible all round. not that any self respecting fish would feed on him.

[Fuzz AI]

No fair. Why give him a traditional Islamic burial?

Sometimes taking the higher road just ain't worth it.

I'm beginning to wonder what the response will be to this. Is this just going to escalate the conflict?

[laficion]

one just hopes it was slow and painful.

Yes, very slow and very painful

He doesn't deserve a traditional Islamic burial, he was just an animal .

[Ken Gargett]

No fair. Why give him a traditional Islamic burial?

Sometimes taking the higher road just ain't worth it.

I'm beginning to wonder what the response will be to this. Is this just going to escalate the conflict?

don't agree.

yes, a completely vile despicable grub and like so many, i am delighted he is dead. but doing anything to defile the corpse or to demean the religion (and i suspect that most are aware of my view of religion in general) would be wrong. and counter productive. it would alienate many muslims who would not have supported bin laden but would not want a muslim treated in that manner. i have no doubt that any decent muslim was horrified at what he did but they would not want their religion degraded.

and while it would seem extremely likely that there will be reprisals, or attempts, no point in doing anything that might galvanise their cause and increase what might be to come, no matter how good it might feel today. better to demoralise them with his death than give them yet another cause.

but let's hope that he is just one of many of al Q that gets what they deserve this year.

[Warren]

I have to agree with you Ken. The man deserved to be hated but the man was not the religion.

How can we expect them to respect our beliefs if we don't respect theirs.

He really would have made a fine bicycle stand though.

[Ryan]

Well done on getting him. I think the burial at sea, if true, was a bit hasty. There should have been an independent autopsy with samples to prove beyond doubt that it was him, though maybe there was.

To be honest, and I don't want to turn this into a political thread, I find the very public displays of celebration over his death a little bit disconcerting. I can understand the sense of relief and maybe some closure for relatives of 9/11 victims and military personnel who have lost their lives and the thousands of others who have been permanently scarred, but such public displays of joy at what could at least be interpreted as the successful outcome of revenge can have ways of coming back to bite. It's not very helpful if we want the world to be a more peaceful place. We'll all still have to take our shoes off at the airport tomorrow.

I don't think there are any such celebrations in Madrid, London or Bali for example where Bin Laden claimed responsibility for (admittedly less costly) terrorist attacks. Irish citizens died in all of those attacks, as well as 9/11, there are no celebrations here. It's possible that Spain, UK, Bali and Ireland have had a longer relationship with terrorism.

I suppose what I'm trying to say is that it would be a terrible thing if videos of thousands of people celebrating the death of a muslim were used to recruit new terrorists.

[Fuzz AI]

Vids of the celebration in America has been likened to the vids in some parts of the Middle East after 9/11. All this is going to do is cause more grief.

And I wouldn't call bin Laden a muslim. He preached a perverted form of Islam. I have no problem with religion (to each his own), but to call him a muslim is an insult to muslims.

[Ryan]

And I wouldn't call bin Laden a muslim. He preached a perverted form of Islam. I have no problem with religion (to each his own), but to call him a muslim is an insult to muslims.

I know what you're saying and I agree with you but there are an awful lot of people out there who regard him as a hero of Islam and now a martyr for Islam.

[Ken Gargett]

Vids of the celebration in America has been likened to the vids in some parts of the Middle East after 9/11. All this is going to do is cause more grief.

And I wouldn't call bin Laden a muslim. He preached a perverted form of Islam. I have no problem with religion (to each his own), but to call him a muslim is an insult to muslims.

spot on.

the short time i spent in places like ioran and the rest of the mid east introduces me to some of the nicest, most hospitable people imaginable.

[Vetteman]

Vids of the celebration in America has been likened to the vids in some parts of the Middle East after 9/11. All this is going to do is cause more grief.

That similarity struck me as I watched it. It's a different context, and the death of a murderer is

a good thing, I just wish a lttle more restraint was shown. I'd want to avoid the possibility of that comparison.

[gmoney]

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God bless our Soldiers.

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[OZCUBAN]

I heard it was Stewie from Family guy

But seriously all garbage has to be taken out eventually...... Basheer is next

Stewie VS Bin laden

cheers OZ

P.S Sorry guys having trouble posting vids at the moment

[Scdalak]

Wow a few days earlier Maybe Ken and Rob would have hooked him with one of their flys..

[Scdalak]

Pretty Amazing Stuff Mates...

After years of intelligence work and months of following a specific lead, they traced a courier linked to bin Laden to the compound in Abbottabad.

When first built, the compound was secluded and reachable by only a dirt road, the officials said. In recent years, more residences built up around it, but it remained by far the largest and most heavily secured property in the area, they said.

The mission ordered Friday by Obama encountered outer walls up to 18 feet tall topped with barbed wire, with two security gates and a series of internal walls that sectioned off different portions of the compound, the senior administration officials said. The main structure was a three-story building with few windows facing the outside of the compound, and a third-floor terrace had a seven-foot privacy wall, they said.

Months of intelligence work determined that the compound was custom-built to hide a high-value terrorism suspect, almost certainly bin Laden. The officials noted there was no telephone or internet service at the dwelling, which was valued at more than $1 million, and its occupants burned their trash rather than leave it out for collection as other area residents did.

Calling the U.S. operation a surgical raid, officials said it was conducted by a small team and designed to minimize collateral damage. Upon landing, the team encountered resistance from bin Laden and three other men that resulted in a firefight.

In the end, all four of the combatants in the compound were dead, along with a woman whom one of the men used as a human shield, the officials said. Sources said bin Laden was shot in the head.

At some point, one of the assaulting helicopters crashed due to a mechanical failure, according to the officials. It was destroyed as the U.S. team flew away, they said.

Obama and the senior administration officials said no U.S. forces were harmed in the operation, which took place very early Monday morning Pakistan time.

U.S. officials said they used a number of methods to identify the body as bin Laden.

One official said it was clear to the assault force that the body matched bin Laden's description, but they used "facial recognition work, amongst other things, to confirm the identity."

A senior national security official told CNN that they had multiple confirmations that the body was bin Laden, saying they had the "ability to run images of the body and the face."

Another U.S. official told CNN that bin Laden has already been buried at sea. The official said his body was handled in the Islamic tradition, but did not elaborate.

A senior administration official also said bin Laden's body would be "handled in accordance with Islamic practice and tradition. This is something that we take very seriously, and so therefore this is being handled in an appropriate manner."

According to the senior administration officials, intelligence work determined at the beginning of 2011 that bin Laden might be located at the compound in Pakistan. By mid-February, the intelligence was considered strong enough to begin considering action pledged by Obama when bin Laden's whereabouts had been determined.

To discuss that intelligence and develop a plan, Obama chaired five National Security Council meetings from mid-March until late April, with the last two on April 19 and April 28 -- last Thursday. The next day, on Friday, Obama gave the order for the mission, the officials said.

The key break involved one of the few couriers trusted by bin Laden, according to the officials. About two years ago, intelligence work identified where the courier and his brother lived and operated in Pakistan, and it took until August of last year to find the compound in Abbottabad raided Sunday, they said.

"When we saw the compound where the brothers lived, we were shocked by what we saw -- an extraordinarily unique compound," one senior administration official said. "The compound sits on a large plot of land in an area that was relatively secluded when it was built. It is roughly eight times larger than the other homes in the area."

Noting that the courier and his brother had no discernible source of wealth to live at such a property, intelligence analysts concluded the compound was "custom-built to hide someone of extraordinary significance," the official said, adding: "Everything was consistent with what experts thought Osama bin Laden's compound would look like."

Another senior administration official told reporters that Obama's administration did not share intelligence gathered beforehand with any other country -- including Pakistan -- for security reasons. The official said that only a small group of people inside the U.S government knew about this operation in advance.

However, a senior Pakistani intelligence official said members of Pakistan's intelligence service, the ISI, were on site in Abbottabad during the operation. There was no way to immediately resolve the apparent discrepancy.

[Mr.T]

This closes a difficult chapter for the thousands of families that lost loved ones to this madman. For some of us Bin Laden became a household name before 9/11. I will never forget August 7, 1998 when my family and I were living in Nairobi, Kenya and witnessed the destructive capability of Bin Laden. I know that many Kenyans, Tanzanians and Americans who lost loved ones in the Embassy bombings will be relieved to hear that he has been killed.

[sandholm]

Great news, he had it coming. I dont think this will do that much to AQ, but at least a bit of justice (even if I personal would have liked him to stand trial and then convicted for all his crimes, but then he could have become a martyr.)

I also see that foxnews are keeping up there good work, when they announced the death of bin laden, they wrote "Obama bin Laden dead"...

[asuavea1]

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Bart

X3!

[Habanos2000]

Glad to hear the news last night and I have to say, is there anyone more bad ass than a Navy SEAL?

[PigFish]

as an aside, and nothwithstanding what we would all like to see them do with the corpse, what the hell are they going to do with it? they'd have been better to put 500 rounds in it and leave it.

can't have someone snapping a quick pic and turning it into the next che t-shirt (and given che was probably far more insane, don't think it couldn't happen).

can't bury it where anyone can turn it into a shrine, though i suspect it would be vandalised by the minute.

can't do anything that may help turn him into a martyr.

anyone any ideas?

I really liked the pig **** idea... but I am biased.

On the other hand spreading rumors that he is interned at key high priority targets (for terrorists) around the world might make them think twice about bombing there and having his remains mixed in with a bunch of infidels. That leads me to believe that we may be able to attract a lot more of the flies flocking to the rotting carcass as his followers attempt to make off with the carrion. I say we use him as bait, chum if you will, and increase the kill! -Piggy

[bc8436]

is there anyone more bad ass than a Navy SEAL?

I know this Chef that ...

[PigFish]

don't agree.

yes, a completely vile despicable grub and like so many, i am delighted he is dead. but doing anything to defile the corpse or to demean the religion (and i suspect that most are aware of my view of religion in general) would be wrong. and counter productive. it would alienate many muslims who would not have supported bin laden but would not want a muslim treated in that manner. i have no doubt that any decent muslim was horrified at what he did but they would not want their religion degraded.

and while it would seem extremely likely that there will be reprisals, or attempts, no point in doing anything that might galvanise their cause and increase what might be to come, no matter how good it might feel today. better to demoralise them with his death than give them yet another cause.

but let's hope that he is just one of many of al Q that gets what they deserve this year.

I disagree mate.

honor |ˈänər| ( Brit. honour)

noun

1 high respect; esteem : his portrait hangs in the place of honor.

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1 regard with great respect : Joyce has now learned to honor her father's memory | [as adj. ] ( honored) an honored guest.

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To honor this man in any form, in life, or in death is a crime. He was not an honorable foe but a coward who would hide behind his own wife, a religion, and use women and children as military weapons. If his religion is an honorable one, those who believe as he does should reject him and his actions as those of a coward.

I have no such inhibitions condemning my fellow Christians or countrymen for their wrong doing. I expect nothing other than the same impartial behavior from those whom believe in different Gods or live under different governments. This man was entitled no honor at all. We have displayed to our enemies again that while our resolve may be intact, our ideological and even moral positions are weak and subservient to theirs. Better to say nothing of his demise then to display to our enemies that we considered him worthy of an honorable funeral. JMHO.

Hopefully someone with some backbone shoved a pickled pigs foot up his ass before sending him off! -Piggy