Popular Post Puros Y Vino Posted March 12 Popular Post Share Posted March 12 This looks like quite the operations. Bands, boxes, but no cigars. https://halfwheel.com/miami-man-arrested-with-counterfeit-packaging-for-more-than-1-million-of-cuban-cigars/436126/ 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NSXCIGAR Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Looking at those boxes they're not good. And the BHK 56 boxes are completely wrong. Amateur. But based on the size and scope of the operation he's clearly moving a lot of product. I can only imagine the TP roll is due to him crapping in his pants when the cops busted in. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrFolgers Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Quote A police report says the packaging is for brands including, “ROMEO AND JULIETTA (sic), H UPMAN (sic), TRINIDAD, MONTE CRISTO (sic), COHIBA, CAO, BOLIVAR, EL REY DEL MUNDO, LA GLORIA CUBANA, MACANUDO, PUNCH, PARTAGAS AND SANCHO PANZA.” OMG... LEAVE SANCHO ALONE!! Seriously though... they are faking non-cubans too? Macanudos at that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Presidente Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 Disagree with NSX on this one. Jorge would have fooled 99% of his intended market. You wonder how much of that market was wholesale. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nevrknow Posted March 13 Popular Post Share Posted March 13 8 hours ago, El Presidente said: Disagree with NSX on this one. Jorge would have fooled 99% of his intended market. You wonder how much of that market was wholesale. Agreed. Saw some Facebook groups with people pouring over how good 1: the "customs" "farm rolls" and " BHK ( insert # here )" cigars are. 2: The awe of how these guys get such a huge steady supply. 3: How the prices are so reasonable compared to other sellers. 4: How I'm attacked when I start asking questions of the sellers. I just posted this link to them. Now I sit back and watch it all unfold. Oh the questions that will start popping up. 😂 This should be grand entertainment. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NSXCIGAR Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 8 hours ago, El Presidente said: Disagree with NSX on this one. Jorge would have fooled 99% of his intended market. You wonder how much of that market was wholesale. I don't think we disagree. I'm sure he is fooling 99%. Clearly he's moving a lot of product despite the low quality. But it is low quality relative to what's possible these days. Just talking packaging here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCgarman Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 I see Cuaba bands. Really? Who would fake an obscure marca like that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhinoww Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 Going for some of the brands that don’t have legions on Reddit to declare fake is actually a decent move for a fake seller. Not that I like it but a decent business move. Know thy retailer continues to be more and more important these days. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arabian Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 Ahh yes, a box of Partagas Churchill. I would love to get those. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
English_Staffy Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 I thought 26 count boxes of Trinidad Coloniales were a good deal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzz Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 2 hours ago, SCgarman said: I see Cuaba bands. Really? Who would fake an obscure marca like that? And that's where they can catch you out. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ha_banos Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 I've posted the article on socmed. Never have I had such engagement! Beats pics of my smoking! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chas.Alpha Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 We can assume that the boxes of labels were once all full. That’s how many fake Montecristos this guy has floating around out there. 😳 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Presidente Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Presidente Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 It is fairly obvious that Jorge was not the brains of the cigar counterfeit operation. I suspect someone supplied his operation with boxes/bands/cigars.....what he and his team needed. How many other similar operations are in play across Miami? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueWS Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 Damn it! Where am I going to get my Formaldehyde Fonsecas now! (it rhymed). Embalmed cigars though wtf! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ha_banos Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 11 hours ago, El Presidente said: It is fairly obvious that Jorge was not the brains of the cigar counterfeit opertation. I suspect someone supplied his operation with boxes/bands/cigars.....what he and his team needed. How many other similar operations are in play across miami? I was musing earlier if the gear comes from the Chinese operation we saw previously maybe and they supply the cigars and packaging. Sounds like HSA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrFolgers Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 2 hours ago, El Presidente said: LOL... now Habanos needs to release a Cuban regional called "the hushy face emoji" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wookie Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 Not asking for website, but was this operation running a USA-based site or something more realistic, like Switzerland, Spain, etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevrknow Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 7 hours ago, Wookie said: Not asking for website, but was this operation running a USA-based site or something more realistic, like Switzerland, Spain, etc? In my totally not knowing anything about it, scientific wild ass guessing opinion, with the perceived volume he could produce, I'm assuming a wholesale operation. I.e. Normal consumers only had access to this mess thru " retailers". I use retailers VERY lightly here. Get it? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hookmaker Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 11 hours ago, El Presidente said: It is fairly obvious that Jorge was not the brains of the cigar counterfeit operation. I suspect someone supplied his operation with boxes/bands/cigars.....what he and his team needed. How many other similar operations are in play across Miami? Well, sitting currently here in China and seeing what you can buy on platforms like Taobao, all this stuff is readily available. Quality aside, there is a huge back country operation and apparently a lot of money in this business. Not surprised. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GothMeatball Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 7 hours ago, Wookie said: Not asking for website, but was this operation running a USA-based site or something more realistic, like Switzerland, Spain, etc? Yeah, how they were actually distributing these is what I am wondering about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gormag38 Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 Man he most have stocked up on the boli gigantes before they were discontinued...wonder if he has any PUR code 15/16s in stock. 😆 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wookie Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 I would think if this were a wholesale operation that there would be a more direct way of doing business. Manufacture in China, ship to "retailers" directly. Why go through Miami? One can purchase counterfeit everything directly from Chinese operations that ship directly from the source. Unless the boxes/bands are being made in the USA...but that would be inefficient with labor costs. Been a long time since I've been involved with supply chains...so just speculating out loud. Maybe someone else can explain the manufacturing/logistics here? Also interested in who the actual customer(s) is? It's definitely interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ha_banos Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 4 hours ago, Wookie said: I would think if this were a wholesale operation that there would be a more direct way of doing business. Manufacture in China, ship to "retailers" directly. Why go through Miami? One can purchase counterfeit everything directly from Chinese operations that ship directly from the source. Unless the boxes/bands are being made in the USA...but that would be inefficient with labor costs. Been a long time since I've been involved with supply chains...so just speculating out loud. Maybe someone else can explain the manufacturing/logistics here? Also interested in who the actual customer(s) is? It's definitely interesting. Now if they were being paid over say a public blockchain we could do some analytics! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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