Ranking Mahomes...

[MoeFOH]

Was just reading this CBS article which included the poll below... 

Where do you place Mahomes right now? And/or how does your Top 5 or Top 10 look?

Top 10 Quarterbacks of all time
1. Tom Brady (unanimous)

2. Peyton Manning

3. Joe Montana

4. Patrick Mahomes

5. Aaron Rodgers

6. Dan Marino

7. Johnny Unitas

8. John Elway

9. Drew Brees

10. Brett Favre

👉 Mahomes vote breakdown: No. 2 (1), No. 3 (2), No. 5 (2), No. 6 (3), No. 11 (1)

[KCCubano]

As a Kansaa Citian and Chiefs fan I think #4 is about right for now. I do believe if he gets a couple more rings he goes up to #2. Time will tell. 

[BigGuns]

I’m too much of a hater to provide a reasonable response here. So I’ll just say “nice list” and keep on moving.

[Kaips1]

5 hours ago, BigGuns said:

I’m too much of a hater to provide a reasonable response here. So I’ll just say “nice list” and keep on moving.

This is my new default for most questions now, total agreement.

 

 

 

WHO DEY   Joe BRRR 

[Corylax18]

No, he is not an all time top 5 or even top 10 quarterback. Right now. But this is the kind of crap that "journalists" use to fill the two week gap between the conference championships and the Super Bowl. 

I don't see Eli Manning on that list, yet Eli Manning has more than twice as many career yards, 150 more touchdowns, more than twice as many game winning drives and the same number of Super Bowl victories and MVPs. Eli Manning beat Tom Brady in TWO Super Bowls. Tommy's bucks crushed Mahomes in their only Super Bowl Matchup. 

If Patrick Mahomes is #4 (he isn't) than Eli Manning should be #3. Just based on an analysis of the #s. 

Will Mahomes eventually be a top 10 all-time QB, almost certainly. Will he make the top 5, probably. But, Objectively, he hasn't hit either mark yet. 

[Ford2112]

Dan Marino never got any rings. He's still on the list. If Mahomes can stay healthy he will certainly be in the conversation. Doubt he surpasses Montana or Brady.

[HailState]

Patrick Mahomes Pro Bowls - 6

Eli Manning Pro Bowls - 4

Patrick Mahomes 1st Team All Pro - 2

Eli Manning 1st Team All Pro - 0

Patrick Mahomes 2nd Team All Pro - 1

Eli Manning 2nd Team All Pro - 0

Patrick Mahomes NFL MVP - 2

Eli Manning NFL MVP - 0

 

[Corylax18]

4 hours ago, HailState said:

Patrick Mahomes Pro Bowls - 6

Eli Manning Pro Bowls - 4

Patrick Mahomes 1st Team All Pro - 2

Eli Manning 1st Team All Pro - 0

Patrick Mahomes 2nd Team All Pro - 1

Eli Manning 2nd Team All Pro - 0

Patrick Mahomes NFL MVP - 2

Eli Manning NFL MVP - 0

 

OK? Awards look great on the mantle, but they don't supplant the actual stats. The above is just a lazy, topical analysis. The Pro Bowl has turned into a joke the last 10 years. Gardner Minshew and Geno Smith are "Pro Bowl" quarterbacks this year. Eli's career also overlapped with the prime of 4 other QBs on the list above. At a time when you could still hit the Quarterback and play defense. Yes, Mahomes has some good competition at QB right now, but I don't see Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow or Josh Allen all making the top 10 by the end of their careers. Despite the fact that the rules have been stacked in their favor. Again, I think Mahomes will eventually be a top 10 all time quarterback, but if he has a career ending injury in this super bowl, his current resume just doesn't get him there. 

[HailState]

4 hours ago, Corylax18 said:

OK? Awards look great on the mantle, but they don't supplant the actual stats. The above is just a lazy, topical analysis. The Pro Bowl has turned into a joke the last 10 years. Gardner Minshew and Geno Smith are "Pro Bowl" quarterbacks this year. Eli's career also overlapped with the prime of 4 other QBs on the list above. At a time when you could still hit the Quarterback and play defense. Yes, Mahomes has some good competition at QB right now, but I don't see Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow or Josh Allen all making the top 10 by the end of their careers. Despite the fact that the rules have been stacked in their favor. Again, I think Mahomes will eventually be a top 10 all time quarterback, but if he has a career ending injury in this super bowl, his current resume just doesn't get him there. 

NFL MVPs and NFL All Pros absolutely matter when talking all time QB’s. Those are literally measures of how elite you were. Eli has zeroes across the board there. There is no way he ranks all time above Mahomes. That’s like saying Frank Gore is a better RB than Barry Sanders, Adrian Peterson, LaDanian Tomlinson, etc. because he has more rushing yards than they do. Longevity is a part of the equation, but it’s not the only thing.

[El Presidente]

I am not sure about stats. I haven't worried about them most of my life. 

However, pure talent (that I have seen).....from the hip.....the run..... and pass in pocket....Mahomes. 

Brady has the rings. Brady has the pedigree. Brady has a beat on Mahomes in playoffs. Still, if I were to be honest (as a dyed in the wool Bucs fan), Mahomes is the more "complete" QB. Pick him over Brady? probably not.....but jesus it is close. 

[Ken Gargett]

i think mahomes is on his way but still early days. he needs to keep it up. 

rogers and marino at 5 and 6? please. one superbowl between them. rogers was good but not that high. bradshaw wins four superbowls and not on the list? i'd have steve young, even aikman before some on the list.

but lord forbid, as good as manning was, ahead of montana? this happens when you poll or interview people who think that anyone who did not have a mobile phone from birth grew up with dinosaurs. the divinity of the dancing wombats could not come up with manning ahead of montana. 

i still think joe challenges brady. i'd give it to brady but that is the closest decision for me. 

i don't know enough about guys like starbauch and unitas but everything you suggests that they should be serious contenders. 

finally, Sammy Baugh does not make that list? rip it up and start again because whoever is behind it is dumber than a fence post. baugh revolutionised the position. before him, it was a run first game, very much. what he did was amazing. the championship game way back when. baugh is a rookie and it was not that common for any QB to throw much over 100 yards for a game. he comes in, as a rookie, throws for about 350 and three TDs. wins the game. this was at a time when he mostly played tailback, but still did all the QB work. he has many, many years of those sort of stats. one year, if i have it correct, he had the highest passing rating (he had that most of his career), but not only that, he also played defence and topped the interceptions for the year. but wait... he also led all the kicking stats. and he doesn't make a list that contains all those dress wearing nancy boys? spare me. 

and yes, i realise that this is all subjective, but like most things, if you disagree, you are wrong. 

[El Presidente]

5 hours ago, Ken Gargett said:

i think mahomes is on his way but still early days. he needs to keep it up. 

I am glad you have learnt grasshopper. 

......you once told me RGIII was the best that you have ever seen. That was until it all fell apart and you took his poster off the bedroom ceiling

[Ken Gargett]

3 hours ago, El Presidente said:

I am glad you have learnt grasshopper. 

......you once told me RGIII was the best that you have ever seen. That was until it all fell apart and you took his poster off the bedroom ceiling

perhaps we should have a poll ranking your disgraceful lies!! because that is the brady of fake news. you know that is utter tosh. if i recall, you could not stop raving about rg3 when he tore your bucs apart, a game i missed.  

[El Presidente]

2 hours ago, Ken Gargett said:

perhaps we should have a poll ranking your disgraceful lies!! because that is the brady of fake news. you know that is utter tosh. if i recall, you could not stop raving about rg3 when he tore your bucs apart, a game i missed.  

I swear people. It was a 4x6 full poster of RG3 on the bedroom ceiling. Would I tell a lie 

 

This was the one. 

 

[El Presidente]

To be fair to Ken, RG3 was special in 2012. He was Mahomes of the that era. Everything was in front of him. Then the coach threw him out injured at the playoffs. Never recovered. 

RG3 at his best. Who does he remind you of?

 

https://youtu.be/QQTfiVtGSOg?si=F0_Ox2CzzOjMOHIW

[Kaips1]

9 hours ago, VeguerosMAN said:

Where did Eli Manning come from in this conversation in the first place?  He led the league in interceptions all through his career. 

He couldn't have because he played when Favre was still playing and he has always been the int king till Jamesis Winston

[PigFish]

Which team is Taylor Swift on. Even his name spells speed! -😎

[Ford2112]

Why is Joe Namath not above Aaron Rogers

[targa88]

Roger Staubach????

[Silverstix]

Can find stats to support pretty much any argument.  And of course there is the subconscious favoritism and bias that factors in, for example I think we have a tendency to remember players from our youth more fondly.  Just going from my gut, without doing down the rabbit hole of stats and awards.....

1 - Tom Brady

2 - Peyton Manning

3 - Joe Montana

4 - Patrick Mahomes

5 - Aaron Rodgers

6 - Steve Young

7 - Drew Brees

8 - Johnny U

9 - Dan Marino

10 - John Elway

[Chibearsv]

1.Tom Brady - pretty hard to argue against

2.Joe Montana - amazing in the big games too

3.Patrick Mahomes - longevity is the only thing he lacks before moving up

4.Peyton Manning - phenomenal talent and stats that are less than impressive in the biggest games.  

5.Everyone else in whatever order you like - I could add or remove bunches of QBs here.

[Ken Gargett]

19 hours ago, El Presidente said:

To be fair to Ken, RG3 was special in 2012. He was Mahomes of the that era. Everything was in front of him. Then the coach threw him out injured at the playoffs. Never recovered. 

RG3 at his best. Who does he remind you of?

i think we have established who is the fanboy.

and who on earth, for a single second, would believe i would let you within a thousand miles of my bedroom. 

[cigaraholic]

For me there’s a difference between the most successful quarterback in the NFL and the finest quarterback to ever play in the NFL. I’ve seen most of the quarterbacks on this list live and nobody I ever saw could throw the ball like Joe Namath.

[Chibearsv]

8 hours ago, cigaraholic said:

For me there’s a difference between the most successful quarterback in the NFL and the finest quarterback to ever play in the NFL. I’ve seen most of the quarterbacks on this list live and nobody I ever saw could throw the ball like Joe Namath.

Hmmm, not Marino? Favre? Brees? Elway?

I agree that the difference you mention makes rankings pretty difficult. So I'd define the "best quarterback" as the best combination of: playing the position, leadership, competitiveness, longevity, and championship success.  

[GotYaGoat]

19 hours ago, Corylax18 said:

OK? Awards look great on the mantle, but they don't supplant the actual stats. The above is just a lazy, topical analysis. The Pro Bowl has turned into a joke the last 10 years. Gardner Minshew and Geno Smith are "Pro Bowl" quarterbacks this year. Eli's career also overlapped with the prime of 4 other QBs on the list above. At a time when you could still hit the Quarterback and play defense. Yes, Mahomes has some good competition at QB right now, but I don't see Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow or Josh Allen all making the top 10 by the end of their careers. Despite the fact that the rules have been stacked in their favor. Again, I think Mahomes will eventually be a top 10 all time quarterback, but if he has a career ending injury in this super bowl, his current resume just doesn't get him there. 

Thinking Eli is better than Mahomes because he has more career yards/TDs is the definition of lazy analysis.