Vendor Supply Chains & Inherent Risks

[canadianbeaver]

Since the price increase 8 months ago, I have become very active on Bond Roberts with aged and vintage boxes of cc in my collection. That increased revenue can buy whacko priced favorites for smoking I figure.

Other than that, I have been trading with fellow known collectors based on current values. We will not pay it, we just list it in emails with photos.

Love it!

CB

[vladdraq]

BR suspended any young Cohiba listings, which i find to be a great move.

[Frinkiac7]

1 hour ago, canadianbeaver said:

Since the price increase 8 months ago, I have become very active on Bond Roberts with aged and vintage boxes of cc in my collection. That increased revenue can buy whacko priced favorites for smoking I figure.

Other than that, I have been trading with fellow known collectors based on current values. We will not pay it, we just list it in emails with photos.

Love it!

CB

I have also been “rolling over” my stock, selling a lot of aged stuff on BR and taking the opportunity to stock up on some “cheapies” (relatively speaking). I sometimes wonder if I will regret starting now, if prices will only get worse in years to come, but it seems as good a time as any.

[kyee]

Glad I use only one source for over the past 15 years, and that's our hosts here at FOH.  Also, for me,  whenever I get new boxes delivered, they go straight to my humidor for a few months, then I vacuum seal them and forget about them for many years.  I'll usually open them up, take a quick look at them, take a deep whiff, then off to a long sleep they go.  If there was a problem with how they taste, I wouldn't realize it until a long time down the road.

[mprach024]

2 hours ago, vladdraq said:

BR suspended any young Cohiba listings, which i find to be a great move.

This is an interesting point. @Elpresidente have you had any issues raised from buyers on any recent Cohiba/BHK stock?  I imagine this is near impossible to police having never seen the boxes in person yourselves.  

[Bagman]

11 minutes ago, mprach024 said:

This is an interesting point. @Elpresidente have you had any issues raised from buyers on any recent Cohiba/BHK stock?  I imagine this is near impossible to police having never seen the boxes in person yourselves.  

A few weeks ago I sold a box of 2017 Cohiba Esplendidos.  Buyer reached out to me yesterday asking where I sourced them (despite it being on the listing anyhow).  I sent him  a copy of the receipt (luckily I bought it via the carts and got a receipt).  But I knew that was coming after what happened.  He seems fine, i think.

[El Presidente]

22 minutes ago, mprach024 said:

This is an interesting point. @Elpresidente have you had any issues raised from buyers on any recent Cohiba/BHK stock?  I imagine this is near impossible to police having never seen the boxes in person yourselves.  

Boxes get rejected from BR listings weekly but some will always slip through. It takes a lot of provenance for BR to list pre-embargo, Cuban Davidoff etc. 

There is a little too much uncertainty in relation to recent Cohiba. BR is seeking clarification on the range of anomolies as well as seeking clarification from Habanos/Distributors directly. Let's see if we can lend Greg/Dan a hand and get to the bottom of a few questions. 

The modified listing process on recent Cohiba/LE/Specialties is an absolute necessity 

[Fugu]

4 hours ago, El Presidente said:

BR is seeking clarification on the range of anomolies as well as seeking clarification from Habanos/Distributors directly.

Keen to hear how that pans out!

[SMELTZ]

Interesting that one of the Euro, reddit approved vendors posted, "Furthermore we do not sell, nor ship, Cuban cigars to U.S. citizens." after the MF scandal. 

[Cairo]

1 hour ago, SMELTZ said:

we do not sell, nor ship, Cuban cigars to U.S. citizens.

If it is the vendor I think it is they have been making this (silly) claim for years--and a lot of time is wasted on Reddit explaining to newbies that they can ignore it.

[Ford2112]

Any updates to how this is playing out?

[El Presidente]

50 minutes ago, Ford2112 said:

Any updates to how this is playing out?

Still some way to go. Boxes procured, analysis underway. 

[LizardGizmo]

I haven't shared the pod on the forum here before, as I'm not one for self-promoting, but I wanted to share today's two hour episode of Lounge Lizards podcast featuring @Cigar Salute diving into the investigation, backstory and much more about my fake box of Cohibas that caused quite a stir in late September.

We talk about the counterfeiting ring, Dr. Joe, Montefortuna's response, Bond Roberts, CA's Cohiba 55 Unboxing, how to avoid buying fakes, and a lot more.

I'd love for you guys to check it out and let me know what you think. Planning to have @El Presidente on very soon as well!! Next week is our one year anniversary ep.

Listen here: https://share.transistor.fm/s/d2d9bc71
Our website: loungelizardspod.com

[Cairo]

7 hours ago, bambambam said:

today's two hour episode of Lounge Lizards podcast featuring @Cigar Salute diving into the investigation, backstory and much more about my fake box of Cohibas that caused quite a stir in late September.

I am enjoying the podcast--but for me the highlight was the comment about the twenty one year old Opus X.  I have some ancient ones as well and they are exactly as described.

[GoodStix]

14 hours ago, bambambam said:

I haven't shared the pod on the forum here before, as I'm not one for self-promoting, but I wanted to share today's two hour episode of Lounge Lizards podcast featuring @Cigar Salute diving into the investigation, backstory and much more about my fake box of Cohibas that caused quite a stir in late September.

@bambambam and @Cigar Salute , thank you both, very much enjoyed your podcast.  Cheers 🙂

[Cairo]

22 hours ago, bambambam said:

share today's two hour episode of Lounge Lizards podcast

My wife came by while I was listening to the podcast and I told her that I was listening to "some of the few people on the planet who know more about cigars than I do".     😀

It was a great discussion in every way--looking forward to your future efforts.

 

[LizardGizmo]

1 hour ago, Cairo said:

My wife came by while I was listening to the podcast and I told her that I was listening to "some of the few people on the planet who know more about cigars than I do".     😀

It was a great discussion in every way--looking forward to your future efforts.

 

The people who know more are our guests - guys like Dan and Ricky (tequila deep dive), and soon our host here, El Pres. We're just guys who like to sit around and chat about cigars and things in an honest way. If I'm good at anything, I'm good at being an internet sponge of information and sharing it, that's about it  

9 hours ago, GoodStix said:

@bambambam and @Cigar Salute , thank you both, very much enjoyed your podcast.  Cheers 🙂

Thanks for the kind words! We appreciate the support.

[Ford2112]

What ever happened with all this?

[Nevrknow]

5 hours ago, therealrsr said:

@Ford2112 Montefortuna is now sending emails assuring lost clients that they will double-triple-check all Cohiba orders and take pictures, but it isn't going to get them back on the reddit vendor list any time soon by the look of things.

Good luck with that. I'm a one and done. But in this case a none and done. 🤣

[SCgarman]

5 hours ago, therealrsr said:

@Ford2112 Montefortuna is now sending emails assuring lost clients that they will double-triple-check all Cohiba orders and take pictures, but it isn't going to get them back on the reddit vendor list any time soon by the look of things.

Once you get caught selling a fake product, virtually impossible to repair that reputation, period. Whether cigars, Rolex timepieces, or the like.

[Cigar Surgeon]

5 hours ago, therealrsr said:

@Ford2112 Montefortuna is now sending emails assuring lost clients that they will double-triple-check all Cohiba orders and take pictures, but it isn't going to get them back on the reddit vendor list any time soon by the look of things.

Someone just recently posted some Cohiba soft packs that were counterfeit. I agree it is unlikely they will ever return to the "trusted vendors" list.

[El Presidente]

In relation to the warranty seal's with "additional numbers" identified under UV light.

I smoked one of those cigars in Miami. Well, to be fair I attempted to smoke two.  Hamlet did the same.  They were certainly not Cohiba Robusto as I know Cohiba Robusto.  They were god damn awful to the point I couldn't smoke further than a 1/4 inch on either. 

 

[SMELTZ]

If anyone plans on purchasing a black light to check the UV Stamp on the warranty seal make sure you are getting the 365 NV wavelength light over the 395 NV wavelength. The difference is dramatic.

Below is a 395 nv wavelength flash light

below is the 365 nv wavelength flashlight 

[Nevrknow]

2 hours ago, SMELTZ said:

If anyone plans on purchasing a black light to check the UV Stamp on the warranty seal make sure you are getting the 365 NV wavelength light over the 395 NV wavelength. The difference is dramatic.

Fact right here gentlemen ( and ladies ) !

[jakebarnes]

The ones you can get at petco for finding dog pee in your carpet are good for this purpose.