Ardan Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 Visiting family in Greece and just visited the only casa del habano. Talk about slim pickings. Some cohiba panetelas for 15euro a piece, 1, yes only one, Partagas P2; and a few partagas Mille fluers and Romeo and Juliette petit Coronas at about 7 euro a piece. And basically nothing else. The walk in humidor now is practically full of non Cubans in huge quantities. Thankfull for this site making the selection it has available to us. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BrightonCorgi Posted July 26, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 26, 2022 I wonder if in some locales if LCDH franchise owners have legal recourse? Habanos is basically putting them out of business on purpose. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MrBirdman Posted July 26, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 26, 2022 I swear I thought this was going to be a joke about someone’s spouse not putting out as much… 2 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ardan Posted July 26, 2022 Author Share Posted July 26, 2022 I wish. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustDave Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 58 minutes ago, BrightonCorgi said: I wonder if in some locales if LCDH franchise owners have legal recourse? Habanos is basically putting them out of business on purpose. Just to be super cynical and plop a tinfoil hat on top of my head: if I'm this person and I'm basically going out of business due to lack of supply and being choked by my supplier(potentially intentionally), and I'm not overly worried about legal recourse because I'm violating a franchise agreement with a company in a country with limited international power, and I'm say in a country that doesn't give too much of a care about gray markets, and I'm a LCDH so who is going to question me... I can get supply. I could have my shelves suddenly flush with product. Just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benfica_77 Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 1 minute ago, JustDave said: Just to be super cynical and plop a tinfoil hat on top of my head: if I'm this person and I'm basically going out of business due to lack of supply and being choked by my supplier(potentially intentionally), and I'm not overly worried about legal recourse because I'm violating a franchise agreement with a company in a country with limited international power, and I'm say in a country that doesn't give too much of a care about gray markets, and I'm a LCDH so who is going to question me... I can get supply. I could have my shelves suddenly flush with product. Just a thought. Gray markets are pretty thin too and subsequently pricing is sky high. From a risk / reward scenario its better to go NC like many LCDH have done. As many have said before cuba is giving the NC cigar industry the ultimate opportunity to take market share. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ardan Posted July 26, 2022 Author Share Posted July 26, 2022 The reception of non Cubans at least in Greece has been mixed from what I have told. I am sure the prices contribute as well. Most are double the price if not more than you can find in the US. And I can understand it. At some point all I smoked was Cubans. When I finally expanded my range it took me a long time to get used to some blends, especially Nicaragua. My initial experience deviated so much from what I was used to, that I didn’t touch another Nicaraguan puro for some time. I will be trying some of the other cigar shops in Athens to see if things are better. In meantime I guess I will have to field everyone’s questions on what I am smoking. Non Cubans have a flair for labels and I am surprised how many so far have noticed it enough to start a conversation about it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrightonCorgi Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 1 hour ago, JustDave said: Just to be super cynical and plop a tinfoil hat on top of my head: if I'm this person and I'm basically going out of business due to lack of supply and being choked by my supplier(potentially intentionally), and I'm not overly worried about legal recourse because I'm violating a franchise agreement with a company in a country with limited international power, and I'm say in a country that doesn't give too much of a care about gray markets, and I'm a LCDH so who is going to question me... I can get supply. I could have my shelves suddenly flush with product. Just a thought. By the end of this year, LDCH's will make more money selling NC's than Habanos. Let's say supply is almost normal, but at the new pricing. Could LCDH's say something similar to the affect of "Your product is now out of line price wise to make a viable business under franchise guidelines." 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCgarman Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 2 hours ago, benfica_77 said: Gray markets are pretty thin too and subsequently pricing is sky high. From a risk / reward scenario its better to go NC like many LCDH have done. As many have said before cuba is giving the NC cigar industry the ultimate opportunity to take market share. Absolutely! How long can these LCDH shops stay afloat without any stock to sell? (Habanos) not NC's? I would think if stock levels don't improve by the end of this year, you will see many close their doors. Let's face it, customers want to buy Cuban marcas at a LCDH, not NC's FWIW they are no doubt selling NC's out of necessity. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winelover Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 If I can move away from cigars briefly, at Dubai Airport, the Rolex counter is staffed with a team of 2, but they don't have any watches whatsoever to sell, so I asked them what they do all day, and they couldn't really say anything. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Fuzz Posted July 26, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 26, 2022 4 hours ago, MrBirdman said: I swear I thought this was going to be a joke about someone’s spouse not putting out as much… 3 hours ago, Ardan said: I wish. 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustDave Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 Just for clarity, I was suggesting that they could 'stock their shelves' with 'Habanos', but that they weren't coming from Cuba. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCgarman Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 2 hours ago, winelover said: If I can move away from cigars briefly, at Dubai Airport, the Rolex counter is staffed with a team of 2, but they don't have any watches whatsoever to sell, so I asked them what they do all day, and they couldn't really say anything. Rolex same situation. Nothing in display cases in AD's world wide. The few watches received are kept in the safe and saved exclusively for VIP's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominattorney Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 47 minutes ago, SCgarman said: Rolex same situation. Nothing in display cases in AD's world wide. The few watches received are kept in the safe and saved exclusively for VIP's. And many nice alternatives becoming available. Look at the moonswatch 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bates40 Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 2 hours ago, SCgarman said: Rolex same situation. Nothing in display cases in AD's world wide. The few watches received are kept in the safe and saved exclusively for VIP's. I walked by an AD over the weekend in California and their exterior case display was completely full of Rolex watches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCgarman Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 49 minutes ago, bates40 said: I walked by an AD over the weekend in California and their exterior case display was completely full of Rolex watches. Go back and ask how many are for sale. They are likely "display only" pieces so customers can have the opportunity to try something on. They aren't for sale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Presidente Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 6 hours ago, SCgarman said: Absolutely! How long can these LCDH shops stay afloat without any stock to sell? (Habanos) not NC's? I would think if stock levels don't improve by the end of this year, you will see many close their doors. Let's face it, customers want to buy Cuban marcas at a LCDH, not NC's FWIW they are no doubt selling NC's out of necessity. An LCDH under the licensing agreement cannot sell NC. Throw that rule out the door You do what you have to do to keep the doors open and the shelves relatively filled. There is little chance Cuban stock levels will improve significantly in the next 12 months. On the ground (Havana), the situation is worse now than 6 months ago. LCDH owners fall into a few categories. Few are pure enthusiasts who loved Cuban cigars. Unfortunately they will be the ones to fall. 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnov Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 Do you think FoH might start knocking out a few select NC's to accompany the Nudies? There are definitely some very enticing products or there that have me interested but it's hard to navigate exactly where to buy from, be great if you were able to offer them alongside whatever dribs and drabs Habanos decides to slip out of the factory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post El Presidente Posted July 26, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 26, 2022 3 minutes ago, cnov said: Do you think FoH might start knocking out a few select NC's to accompany the Nudies? There are definitely some very enticing products or there that have me interested but it's hard to navigate exactly where to buy from, be great if you were able to offer them alongside whatever dribs and drabs Habanos decides to slip out of the factory. Oh you haven't seen anything yet. Bring on Q4. 9 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Fuzz Posted July 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 27, 2022 3 hours ago, El Presidente said: Oh you haven't seen anything yet. Bring on Q4. 4 1 23 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NSXCIGAR Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 13 hours ago, benfica_77 said: Gray markets are pretty thin too and subsequently pricing is sky high. Or gray markets are thin because prices are sky high. All these prices are coming from HSA. Distributors are probably being very cautious taking on extra product. No extra product, no gray market supply. I still think whatever supply is in the gray market had been hoarded early this year. It's being reported there is Siglo VI all over the place in Cuba not being sold (as nothing is being sold due to the computer system). Would it have been kept in Cuba if distributors were ordering it? I don't think so. The situation isn't going to change until stock starts piling up in Cuba and with production still below 50% it's going to take a while. All the while NCs increasing market share... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winelover Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 One thing's for sure, even if / once supplies "normalise" the new pricing is here to stay. As Ken said elsewhere, it is like fine wine now and before we just had it lucky. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bates40 Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 On 7/26/2022 at 2:49 PM, SCgarman said: Go back and ask how many are for sale. They are likely "display only" pieces so customers can have the opportunity to try something on. They aren't for sale Will do this weekend, albeit without the wife as she has been trying to negotiate for one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arabian Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 17 hours ago, bates40 said: Will do this weekend, albeit without the wife as she has been trying to negotiate for one. take her to Cartier... she might change her mind 😉 those tank watches are beautiful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bates40 Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 7 hours ago, Arabian said: take her to Cartier... she might change her mind 😉 those tank watches are beautiful. I had a Pasha which I was going to give to her, but unfortunately lost it in a Champagne fueled bender. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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