Wild Fires Australia

[CampDelta369]

Thoughts and Prayers for the people’s in Oz that have been dealing with these fires for a while now as we are on New Years eve here in the states. This one in NSW reads like being in Hell. 

https://www.foxnews.com/world/australia-wildfires-mallacoota-seaside-blaze-trapped-refuge-sky
 

 

[JohnS]

In summer, a lot of residents of the two major metropolitan cities of the states of New South Wales and Victoria, namely Sydney and Melbourne, routinely travel to coastside towns in the south of New South Wales and east of Victoria. Unfortunately, this is where these large bushfires hit yesterday due to high temperatures and winds. Yes, I feel for these ordinary citizens spending leisure time with their families and friends and getting caught up in this.

[Fuzz]

Since August 2019, over 3.5 million hectares of land in NSW has been destroyed by the bushfires. The Gospers Mountain fire is the largest single bushfire in Australian history (350,000 hectares), and it is still burning.

[LordAnubis]

I’ve just come for a holiday up here. The circle is the 20km alert radius around the house we’re staying in. Don’t think there’s much left of anything ?

[El Presidente]

Stay safe hermanos. 

Take no risks. This will pass eventually. 

 

[JamesKPolkEsq]

I’ve been reading predictions this is the new normal - does this seem possible?

[Monocle]

3 hours ago, JamesKPolkEsq said:

I’ve been reading predictions this is the new normal - does this seem possible?

While the number of fires and amount of land burned is likely far less, the same pattern has been occurring for the last several years in California. It doesn’t appear to be anomalistic.

[madandana]

Stay safe friends.

[tigger]

Rob (or others who know Oz well), can you give an opinion as to the best organization(s) to donate to in order to help those affected by the fires? 

My go to for situations like this is usually MSF, but I'm guessing that's not the best choice in this instance.

[SCgarman]

18 hours ago, El Presidente said:

Stay safe hermanos. 

Take no risks. This will pass eventually. 

 

Not without any rain. Sounds bad down there.

[thebutcher]

I was about to start a thread on this and saw this one 

man you guys in OZ are getting hammered! the pictures coming out of the affected area are heart breaking.

stay safe don't take any chances 

 

My middle daughter is a wild land fire fighter here in Idaho (this is her)

 

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this is a fire i California she was deployed there this summer 

[thebutcher]

31 minutes ago, db13 said:

Horrifying. Anyone in 2020 who still thinks these increasing occurrences are just simply 'nature' and that humans have no responsibility to change directions need to have their heads checked.

you may be right

the California fires at least the last two biggest were caused by a cooking fire at a homeless encampment the last one was caused by poorly maintained power lines and both were made worse by bad forestry practices 

[thebutcher]

5 minutes ago, db13 said:

Your daughter is a hero. I wouldn't last 30 minutes in those conditions.

there a dedicated bunch we get a chance to feed our daughter and her crew on occasion when there local and they LOVE there jobs 

I'm with you I wouldn't last at that job either, I'm glad there are people who can.

[SCgarman]

3 hours ago, db13 said:

Horrifying. Anyone in 2020 who still thinks these increasing occurrences are just simply 'nature' and that humans have no responsibility to change directions need to have their heads checked.

Try to convince China and India the two biggest polluters to change their ways. Many here in the USA want to blame our country alone. Wake up. Our population is minuscule compared to these two countries.

[Fuzz]

26 minutes ago, NYgarman said:

Try to convince China and India the two biggest polluters to change their ways. Many here in the USA want to blame our country alone. Wake up. Our population is minuscule compared to these two countries.

A bit unfair to blame both China and India. The West is also to blame for the situation, as they wanted cheap manufacturing. And the US are the largest producers of e-waste, shipping the majority of it to developing nations for recycling. 

The top 5 CO2 producing countries are:

China may have double the CO2 emissions of the US, but as you say, the US has a minuscule population by comparison. China has been actively working on cleaning air pollution for the last 4 years, with a lot of success, but it has a long way to go. 

No-one can afford to point fingers any more. We all need to change our ways.

[SCgarman]

10 hours ago, Fuzz said:

A bit unfair to blame both China and India. The West is also to blame for the situation, as they wanted cheap manufacturing. And the US are the largest producers of e-waste, shipping the majority of it to developing nations for recycling. 

The top 5 CO2 producing countries are:

China may have double the CO2 emissions of the US, but as you say, the US has a minuscule population by comparison. China has been actively working on cleaning air pollution for the last 4 years, with a lot of success, but it has a long way to go. 

No-one can afford to point fingers any more. We all need to change our ways.

I believe there are 195 countries in the world. For things to truly change all need to be on board and willing to change. Otherwise it is a moot point. May I also add that the US has much cleaner air than in past decades. The days of seeing smog air filled cities no longer appear in the news. Gas and diesel engine vehicles run cleaner than ever. We will never go back to horse and buggy days, not feasible. And meat is and will remain a staple in American diets. Blaming cow flatulence for contributing to climate change is farcical. The over population of humans on Earth trumps anything else. How many more billions can the world handle?

[Fuzz]

34 minutes ago, NYgarman said:

I believe there are 195 countries in the world. For things to truly change all need to be on board and willing to change. Otherwise it is a moot point. May I also add that the US has much cleaner air than in past decades. The days of seeing smog air filled cities no longer appear in the news. Gas and diesel engine vehicles run cleaner than ever. We will never go back to horse and buggy days, not feasible. And meat is and will remain a staple in American diets. Blaming cow flatulence for contributing to climate change is farcical. The over population of humans on Earth trumps anything else. How many more billions can the world handle?

When the top 15 polluting countries make up more than 70% of the world's pollution, you look at those countries first. True, everyone must do their part, but it is no use working on the 180 or so countries who make up the other 30%. Cleaning up the top 15 countries will have a bigger impact on the world's pollution. 

 

[SCgarman]

2 hours ago, Fuzz said:

When the top 15 polluting countries make up more than 70% of the world's pollution, you look at those countries first. True, everyone must do their part, but it is no use working on the 180 or so countries who make up the other 30%. Cleaning up the top 15 countries will have a bigger impact on the world's pollution. 

 

I seen on our national news the Koala population may be in dire jeopardy due to the fires and also deforestation in Aus for increased home building, etc.  May I add seeing the Amazon rainforest being purposely burnt down just for greed will be damning for the Earth's well being. Those responsible whether they be heads of state or not should be dealt with severely. My2c

[Colt45]

1 hour ago, NYgarman said:

May I add seeing the Amazon rainforest being purposely burnt down just for greed will be damning for the Earth's well being.

Supposedly, one of the main reasons for the deforestation is cattle ranching.

[PigFish]

I want to send my condolences and prayers to my friends in Oz. I know what some of you are feeling... The pic is me, last year, well 2 calendar years now, fleeing my house with my ponies, and some of my neighbors too, in tow! A bad scene!

Saying my head is empty because I don't agree with one's doomsday political fear lobby is folly. However, I am the last guy who should be criticizing anyone about getting political, as it is my regular practice.

I was blessed by coming back to a home still standing! Some of my surrounding neighbors were not so lucky. I wish you all the same good fortune I had a year ago. Lord knows you may need it more than any counter insults! -R

[BoliDan]

Even if you have a decent tree line perimeter around your house, still evacuate. The smoke and burning hot soot will still engulf the area and will be just as deadly. Still waiting to hear from a buddy that lives in Lakes Entrance Victoria. I'm sure he's fine, he's a smart lad.

 

[PigFish]

28 minutes ago, db13 said:

Is this in reference to my post about these increasing natural disasters? If so, what in the world does that have to do with politics? I’m referring to every human being on this god loving planet taking responsibility and finding solutions to reverse climate change.

What spurred my comment was the broad superiority/inferiority net that was cast along with your opinion. 

Cheers! -R

[Ken Gargett]

On 1/2/2020 at 2:02 PM, Fuzz said:

A bit unfair to blame both China and India. The West is also to blame for the situation, as they wanted cheap manufacturing. And the US are the largest producers of e-waste, shipping the majority of it to developing nations for recycling. 

The top 5 CO2 producing countries are:

China may have double the CO2 emissions of the US, but as you say, the US has a minuscule population by comparison. China has been actively working on cleaning air pollution for the last 4 years, with a lot of success, but it has a long way to go. 

No-one can afford to point fingers any more. We all need to change our ways.

fuzz, spot on. not just the major countries but everyone. however if the top 4-5 don't make massive efforts then it will hardly matter. 

population explosion is simply going to make it harder and harder and eventually impossible.

if i had kids, i'd be terrified for them. 

all that said, i don't believe that we will definitely send ourselves extinct but we are having a good crack at it and we are in the almost (possibly past the tipping point) process of destroying this planet beyond recognition. 

i say this as someone, as i discovered recently, who shares a birthday with greta T! 

[El Presidente]

4 hours ago, Ken Gargett said:

 

if i had kids, i'd be terrified for them. 

 

.....not as much as I would be. 

[Ken Gargett]

18 minutes ago, El Presidente said:

.....not as much as I would be. 

you are a brave man, opening that door!