Another 5 years of Tory rule in the UK

[El Presidente]

1 hour ago, ayepatz said:

Please refrain from discussion of US politics, per our forum rules.

 

And I would like to wish our two braindead members an early Christmas and hope to see them in the New Year!

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[JoeyBones777]

22 hours ago, El Presidente said:

When has a politician (of any ilk) actually made your life better?

Words to vote by! Both sides get super upset by the election results. Fact is, government is too inept, inefficient, ineffective and corrupt to make a positive impact in our lives but big enough to make a negative impact. As a society we seem to depend on government to solve our social ills and they never do. As I see it, we as individuals and in community have the capacity to solve our social ills. As far as I can tell this holds true historically.We should focus on what we can control; solving our own social ills through individual and communal capacity and voting for idealists that seek to lessen governmental power and scope...not to mention taxes!?

[Ritch]

99cal banned till the new year then?

 

On 12/13/2019 at 12:34 PM, nino said:

Might be another 5 years of Tory rule for England & Wales - I see Scotland out of the UK next few years....

Wont happen. Scotland had their token vote. Torys would love for it to happen, without Scotland the chances of labour ever getting back in are slim. 

Im fairly confident that Aunty Liz will not let it happen however. Especially now there is already a referendum result they can show and say well you uad your chance...

[99call]

1 hour ago, Ritch said:

99cal banned till the new year then?

See what you've done there.   When it comes to being "braindead", I would suggest it's a trait most commonly found is those who are simply blind to see any other side of the debate/argument.   I've not been pro either Jeremy or Boris. 

I understand you might not appreciate anyone saying anything against your political leaning, but if you're going to insult me,   please in future use your own words, and not piggy back onto others comments. 

Also, could you do it via a PM (pardon the pun), as this thread doesn't need any more agro

Apologies to the FOH team, although UK politics is permitted, Its evident to see how exhaustive it is for you guys and the MODs,  that wasn't my intention

 

 

[SCgarman]

 

2 hours ago, 99call said:

See what you've done there.   When it comes to being "braindead", I would suggest it's a trait most commonly found is those who are simply blind to see any other side of the debate/argument.   I've not been pro either Jeremy or Boris. 

I understand you might not appreciate anyone saying anything against your political leaning, but if you're going to insult me,   please in future use your own words, and not piggy back onto others comments. 

Also, could you do it via a PM (pardon the pun), as this thread doesn't need any more agro

Apologies to the FOH team, although UK politics is permitted, Its evident to see how exhaustive it is for you guys and the MODs,  that wasn't my intention

 

 

You can make amends by requesting this thread be closed and locked, so we may go back to our regularly scheduled program. Cigars and the people that enjoy them. There is good reason many of the "regulars" here no longer log on and participate in the forums. 

[Ritch]

2 hours ago, 99call said:

See what you've done there.   When it comes to being "braindead", I would suggest it's a trait most commonly found is those who are simply blind to see any other side of the debate/argument.   I've not been pro either Jeremy or Boris. 

I understand you might not appreciate anyone saying anything against your political leaning, but if you're going to insult me,   please in future use your own words, and not piggy back onto others comments. 

Also, could you do it via a PM (pardon the pun), as this thread doesn't need any more agro

Apologies to the FOH team, although UK politics is permitted, Its evident to see how exhaustive it is for you guys and the MODs,  that wasn't my intention

 

 

You have been pretty damn hostile and vitrolic to anyone who holds a opposing view to your own.

Someone posted that two people had been banned and I didn't know who but my guess would have been yourself. I was seeking confirmation of that.

Corbyn had some admirable policies but unfortunately no leadership and an awful team around him. The center ground will always win in the UK and I am happy to say that Boris is more centralist than right wing, certainly more so than Corbyn whom is more left wing yhan centralist.

The people voted and its been decided. I think we are in for a good 5 years of softer Tory rule and less austerity. I think looking back in 5 years many of us will be happy with this government.

[Ritch]

On 12/13/2019 at 11:10 PM, CaptainQuintero said:

  You could go on for a long, long time for why the result was what it was. But what struck me most during the whole campaign was taking to my Grandfather in law a few weeks ago. 

  He's an ex-miner in a small pit town in the North and he quite freely said he was voting for conservative for the first time. When I asked about Thatcher and the mines he blew out his cheeks and said that it was nearly 50 years since she had put him out of work, he'd had to build a new life for himself. What did he have in common with London rappers telling him to vote for a man who he watched meet with terrorists after they blew up families in pubs and hotels, anti Semitic extremists, hard-line communists and dictators while he was busy rebuilding his life after the coal mines shut?

   How do you even start a dialogue with that on the doorstep as an activist? Try to explain the intricacies of why Corbyn met with Hezbollah and Hamas? Why he toured Soviet nations on political trips, all supposedly under the guise of opening dialogues then when someone he disagrees with eg Trump comes to town, he boycotts the visit? But when the Chinese Premier turn up he finds a white tuxedo to attend the visit?

  I think it probably boils down to a third of the country lean left, a third right and you have to win that middle third over. Like it or not it mostly comes down to a personality contest and most people will go off what they see on TV.

  Labour couldn't ever win with someone with the kind of baggage Corbyn was lugging around. Add in the people who he put into his top team; proud Stalinists, people who say Mao should be celebrated, fringe players brought in from the political extremes and those few glances the general public get are not going to be forgotten easily. 

  It's unsafe and damaging for a country to not have an effective opposition to hold a government to account. It's inexcusable for the main opposition to spend years dicking around with 1970s pantomime characters when the country had been crying out for change and a new direction.

  Labour could have picked any number of down to earth likeable MPs with a simple message of free markets and protecting the NHS, they could have been the party to forge that new direction. They picked a guy who on his first major public outing, looked like he had slept in a bin and refused to sing the national anthem at the Battle of Britain commemoration. 

  First day after the election today and angry mobs are fighting police infront of the Cenotaph because their man lost another election.

 I don't usually go into politics outside of close friends but it's been so incredible you can't help yourself, labour got everything they deserved but it's the real people who live here will have to pay for the consequences of their fantasist vanity project. These failures can slink back to being professional offense-takers and fashionable protest organisers on the public purse. No consequences, no responsibility, no bother.

  

And herein lies the problem. Corbyn has alienated his core voters. He has prioritised the upper middle class idealistic trustfarian youth vote. Whilst failing to understand that that audience will in time, just as they always have done grow up and switch allegience to the Lib Dems and then eventually to the Torys.

Corbyn counted on the youth vote, the public sector worker vote and took for granted that his historic working class core voter base would remain, or at least enough of it would remain. He tried to be everything to everyone. Whilst Boris kept it simple, get brexit done and more of your money in your pocket.

[gweilgi]

15 hours ago, 99call said:

Please lord make it a Candela skinny

Sold in a special limited edition box with a bottle of Midleton....

[BoliDan]

Oh, brother. This thread has gone awry. On the other hand i saved 15% by switching to a different company other than gieco. Lizard is full of lies

[Ken Gargett]

Just now, BoliDan said:

Oh, brother. This thread has gone awry. 

no, this thread has gone exactly where it was always headed. a couple of suspensions, conspiracy theories, left/right debates, accusations and counter-accusations. 

all i can say is that i am only sorry that the UK only goes to the polls every four years (unless they want to go into massive upheaval of course). 

these threads are the gifts that keep giving. and it is christmas!! 

[Ritch]

Agreed. Fully agreed!

Although it is currently every 5 years

[Ken Gargett]

1 minute ago, Ritch said:

Agreed. Fully agreed!

Although it is currently every 5 years

sorry, wrong country. 

[99call]

5 hours ago, Ritch said:

8 hours ago, 99call said:

 

You have been pretty damn hostile and vitrolic to anyone who holds a opposing view to your own.

Thats nonsense.  Yes, I'm not in favour of Boris Johnson and his ilk,  but I've also expressed massive criticism of Jeremy Corbyn and the Momentum Movement thats so negatively impacted my party.   I've also expressed appreciation for Tory MPs who I respect.

 

[GavLew79]

So anyway, this weather eh? Damned wet again. As if we haven't had enough. I haven't been able to cut my lawn since October. It looks like a very healthy paddy field. 

[99call]

9 hours ago, NYgarman said:

 

You can make amends by requesting this thread be closed and locked, so we may go back to our regularly scheduled program. Cigars and the people that enjoy them. There is good reason many of the "regulars" here no longer log on and participate in the forums. 

Rob within the thread had suggested this thread was in compliance with the rules (which it is), and that it's regrettable that the possibility of such debate was not possible for other countries, due to previous failures.     

Whether is be politics, religion or money, I know lots of people who insist all of this interesting stuff is off the table,  but I would suggest that it would be sad, if we increasingly stopped talking about important conversational cornerstones,  we will become increasingly polarised, and less able to potentially agree on stuff. 

I'm sure we'll probably have agree to disagree though.  

 

[Ken Gargett]

just read a bit in the guardian - seriously, there are days when you have to love politicians, no matter what utter scumbags they can be - both sides, hell all sides.

jeremy corbyn - "i'm proud we won the arguments".

i am not making that up. i would dearly love to have the imagination which could. did he say it with a straight face? is he completely delusion? wasn't this the biggest defeat since 1935? and he thinks they won the arguments. 

that is his bruce allen moment - "the redskins? we are winning off the field". 

[99call]

6 minutes ago, Ken Gargett said:

jeremy corbyn - "i'm proud we won the arguments".

This is the problem, He's referring to the London momentum echo chamber, whereby if he gets nodding heads from them,  he's happy........or.... he was happy

[Lotusguy]

Rob within the thread had suggested this thread was in compliance with the rules (which it is), and that it's regrettable that the possibility of such debate was not possible for other countries, due to previous failures.     
Whether is be politics, religion or money, I know lots of people who insist all of this interesting stuff is off the table,  but I would suggest that it would be sad, if we increasingly stopped talking about important conversational cornerstones,  we will become increasingly polarised, and less able to potentially agree on stuff. 
I'm sure we'll probably have agree to disagree though.  
 

If someone doesn’t want to read about it, they can just skip the thread... I for one find it quite interesting (until some Knucklehead feels he needs to bring up US politics but that is usually dealt with swiftly).

[Ritch]

2 hours ago, GavLew79 said:

So anyway, this weather eh? Damned wet again. As if we haven't had enough. I haven't been able to cut my lawn since October. It looks like a very healthy paddy field. 

Its the fault of that bloody Tory rain mate. Gotta be Tory. Its blue. 

[99call]

Just now, Ritch said:

Its the fault of that bloody Tory rain mate. Gotta be Tory. Its blue. 

Rain cant be Tory, it actually nourishes the ground it falls on, and mainly falls in the north

[Ritch]

2 hours ago, 99call said:

Rob within the thread had suggested this thread was in compliance with the rules (which it is), and that it's regrettable that the possibility of such debate was not possible for other countries, due to previous failures.     

Whether is be politics, religion or money, I know lots of people who insist all of this interesting stuff is off the table,  but I would suggest that it would be sad, if we increasingly stopped talking about important conversational cornerstones,  we will become increasingly polarised, and less able to potentially agree on stuff. 

I'm sure we'll probably have agree to disagree though.  

 

Indeed. I agree with you. Discussion of politics is very important. But I do think that if people are prepared to speak about politics then they should also be prepared to listen.

What labour has done to their core voters is stupid. And i personally think we will have a softer more centralist tory party now that will look after those core voters. Boris is already talking about 80bn of funding for the north.

If boris can get the old labour voters to suppport the torys going forwards then he will have played a blinder.

[Ritch]

3 minutes ago, 99call said:

Rain cant be Tory, it actually nourishes the ground it falls on, and mainly falls in the north

Lol.

I think Boris will be feeding the north now. Think about it logically. If he looks after those marginal constituencies that have handed the election to him then labour will be out for decades. Especially with the SNP doing so well in Scotland.

Give the chap a chance, he knows where his bread is buttered.

[Ritch]

20 minutes ago, 99call said:

Rain cant be Tory, it actually nourishes the ground it falls on, and mainly falls in the north

Of course we could take the view that rain is Tory because it pisses all over the north....

[Ritch]

23 minutes ago, 99call said:

The conservatives have stood on the throat of forgotten, under invested areas outside of the south west for over the last 10 years and indeed their entire history.  He now promises give the country back the 20.000 police officers they removed, and want us to thank him?    bonkers. 

The tories have promised a new compassionate vision, over and over.   It's a lie, it has been a lie, it will be a lie.    

 

Austerity was required as labour splurged all the money...

Boris didnt take the 20000 police officers away. He is now in a position to do something positive. Lets see what he does. I suspect he will be one of the better PMs we have had.

[Coloniales]

Corbyn was unelectable, complete discredited idiot. Labours worst election result in nearly 100 years. 

 

Give Boris a chance.

 

Keith.