Guns & Cigars: Two Industries Intertwined

[El Presidente]

While no doubt this article will give Ken apoplexy.......it is an article with some relevance. 

https://www.shootingillustrated.com/articles/2019/5/26/guns-cigars-two-industries-intertwined/

[PigFish]

Freedom loving people (generally) have tolerance for the rights of others. They often recognize overreach in all aspects of government even if they are not involved in them.

I don't like seeing the government 'stick it to' others just because I have no interest in their interest. Those who understand freedom, understand it is a two way street. If you are intolerant, then by all means you have no high ground when people show you intolerance.

People who like to ban stuff, have little tolerance of others and like to shut them up. I won't go any further than that... lets see how long before this thread goes to hell...! -LOL

-R

[El Presidente]

3 minutes ago, PigFish said:

People who like to ban stuff, have little tolerance of others and like to shut them up.

I agree Piggy, intolerance of others viewpoints certainly runs deep. The perpetually preaching persecuted are some of the most intolerant of all 

 

[Ken Gargett]

apoplexy. and beyond. how does this not break every gun rule you imposed? 

 

[JoeyBones777]

Hang on.let me make some popcorn real quick...

[El Presidente]

2 minutes ago, Ken Gargett said:

apoplexy. and beyond. how does this not break every gun rule you imposed? 

 

It is an  article re Cigars and guns. The first that I have seen to be honest. 

....no different to an article on Cuba or Cigars and US politics.  Often posted. 

if there was an article on the Pope and Cigars......I would post that as well and it wouldn't breach the no religion rule 

All good 

[Markspring1978]

I’m just happy that Prez is scanning Shooting Illustrated, keeping his eyes peeled for relevant content for this forum. 

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[Bri Fi]

One of my favorite places to smoke a cigar is the range. Pew pew pew. 

[El Presidente]

1 minute ago, Markspring1978 said:

I’m just happy that Prez is scanning Shooting Illustrated, keeping his eyes peeled for relevant content for this forum. 

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There are other publications I would prefer to scan for content ...... but I am not permitted 

[Bucky McSwensen]

I am all for freedom.  The old quote of I support gay couple getting married and shooting guns on their weed farm.

I think where guns and cigars correlate is enjoying that freedom can harm the freedom of others to avoid them.  Should I be able to smoke a cigar in my yard, yes.  Outside of an elemenatary school bus stop when class gets out, hell no.  Restrictions and regulations are necessary and can make sense.  Unfortunately with guns it's a moving target.  Handguns and rifles make sense for all the liberty arguments.  bump stocks, RPGs and high capacity magazines are fun but not worth the risk of anyone having.  I'm sure in 2 years handguns will be a no go as well.  Cross bows and homemade claymores are always a good alternative for the hobbyist once the government overreaches too far.

Same gray area argument can be made on weed, cigars, cigarettes, vaping, music, religion, guns, prostitution, construction hours, child labor, fuel emissions, even vaccines (although I have no respect for the antivax movement).  Its tough because I try to look at things objectively but when my hobby puts others lives, health or liberty in danger I have to rethink what I'm fighting for.

I love having a cigar in a bar or restaurant but completely understand that's not an option for me the majority of the time.

[Buck14]

13 minutes ago, Bucky McSwensen said:

I am all for freedom.  The old quote of I support gay couple getting married and shooting guns on their weed farm.

I think where guns and cigars correlate is enjoying that freedom can harm the freedom of others to avoid them.  Should I be able to smoke a cigar in my yard, yes.  Outside of an elemenatary school bus stop when class gets out, hell no.  Restrictions and regulations are necessary and can make sense.  Unfortunately with guns it's a moving target.  Handguns and rifles make sense for all the liberty arguments.  bump stocks, RPGs and high capacity magazines are fun but not worth the risk of anyone having.  I'm sure in 2 years handguns will be a no go as well.  Cross bows and homemade claymores are always a good alternative for the hobbyist once the government overreaches too far.

Same gray area argument can be made on weed, cigars, cigarettes, vaping, music, religion, guns, prostitution, construction hours, child labor, fuel emissions, even vaccines (although I have no respect for the antivax movement).  Its tough because I try to look at things objectively but when my hobby puts others lives, health or liberty in danger I have to rethink what I'm fighting for.

I love having a cigar in a bar or restaurant but completely understand that's not an option for me the majority of the time.

I have no problem keeping my cigars and firearms away from the School ? Stop. But all be dammed if I can’t drink my ? while playing with a whore on school grounds!

[MD Puffer]

So, I guess I shouldn’t ever mention that I’m a card carrying NRA Benefactor Life member and a GOA lifer to @Ken Gargett?

Since the subject has been broached- does this mean we can post gun pics?  What if it’s a cigar pic and a gun happens to be in it?

[kwsaw63]

I can identify with this quote from the article - ”smoking a cigar and shooting guns are both Zen-like experiences."

[shlomo]

I am an intolerant person for certain things, as are most of you. Simply lumping all intolerance together is ignorant and myopic.

[JohnS]

35 minutes ago, MD Puffer said:

Since the subject has been broached- does this mean we can post gun pics?  What if it’s a cigar pic and a gun happens to be in it?

Short answer is no because Rule 8 mentions inflammatory imagery and commentary. 

[Guest Nekhyludov]

1 hour ago, Bucky McSwensen said:

I am all for freedom.  The old quote of I support gay couple getting married and shooting guns on their weed farm.

I think where guns and cigars correlate is enjoying that freedom can harm the freedom of others to avoid them.  Should I be able to smoke a cigar in my yard, yes.  Outside of an elemenatary school bus stop when class gets out, hell no.  Restrictions and regulations are necessary and can make sense.  Unfortunately with guns it's a moving target.  Handguns and rifles make sense for all the liberty arguments.  bump stocks, RPGs and high capacity magazines are fun but not worth the risk of anyone having.  I'm sure in 2 years handguns will be a no go as well.  Cross bows and homemade claymores are always a good alternative for the hobbyist once the government overreaches too far.

Same gray area argument can be made on weed, cigars, cigarettes, vaping, music, religion, guns, prostitution, construction hours, child labor, fuel emissions, even vaccines (although I have no respect for the antivax movement).  Its tough because I try to look at things objectively but when my hobby puts others lives, health or liberty in danger I have to rethink what I'm fighting for.

I love having a cigar in a bar or restaurant but completely understand that's not an option for me the majority of the time.

What a refreshingly reasonable perspective. I should take after your example @Bucky McSwensen and try to be less emotional in my reactions.

[MD Puffer]

Just now, JohnS said:

Short answer is no because Rule 8 mentions inflammatory imagery and commentary. 

Oh I knew the answer to that- was being irreverent.  Things don’t always comes across as intended via the keyboard.

[Lotusguy]

I had to take issue with a statement in the third paragraph “both are best enjoyed outdoors”. That certainly isn’t true for cigar smoking.

 

Didn’t bother to read on after that.

 

[LLC]

I’m not into guns but found it an interesting article.


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[El Presidente]

See how easy it is once blind ideology (from any side) is removed 

[El Presidente]

1 hour ago, Ken Gargett said:

okay, i came back for just this one post and then i am away till next week. 

this is completely different, despite what you might claim, and i say that based on your own hand. 

for the US politics, you do allow exceptions. 

"From time to time, politics of Cuba, Europe, Oceania, Asia, Middle East etc will be posted which may
refer in some part to US policy (current or past). This is not an open invitation to attack. Use tact
and focus on the issues at hand devoid of discussion/denigration of Left and right US policy.". 

however, the no mention of guns rule includes no such exception. it is an outright ban. in other words, you have broken your own rules.

may i inquire as to just how long you will suspend yourself? 

Thanks Ken. 

I will change that rule later today. Thanks for bringing it up 

[Stump89]

Interesting read. To keep my political bias to a minimum I'll leave it at this: I own many guns and many cigars and enjoy them all.  I've done my due diligence to support both industries. 

[Bucky McSwensen]

27 minutes ago, Nekhyludov said:

What a refreshingly reasonable perspective. I should take after your example @Bucky McSwensen and try to be less emotional in my reactions.

No dont do that!  If you truly saw my example in person you'd know I'm an insecure flip flopping trainwreck who runs his mouth too much.

Emotional reactions are good.  As long as they don't destroy the few loving relationships I have intact.  I remember having many heated discussions with people who vehemently disagree with me but respect my passion and opinions.  These have given us both more data points to come up with and recalibrate our views.  I used to look forward to the day when I have it all figured out but realized that's not a thing.  Now i eagerly look forward to being challenged so i can quickly recalibrate rinse and repeat.  Luckily for me not being content tends to be my comfort zone

[MD Puffer]

Can’t tell what the guy in the first pic is smoking.  Looking at that ring gauge it’s apparent he’s got a theme going.  Those Desert Eagles are ridiculously large and I think he’s shooting the 50 AE.

[El Presidente]

God forbid one could see it as only an article 

 

On the one side you have the regular skirts jumping up and down wringing their eyes of crocodile tears while screaming at the horror of it all. You would make a pentecostal preacher proud. 

On the other side you have the architects of their own demise throwing gasoline on the embers. 

The sensible centre just looks at it and shakes their heads in disbelief.  What a bunch of children. 

It's an article. Live with it. 

 

If you are to continue on this thread you focus on the article or nothing at all. 

Leave your soap boxes at home. No one gives a flying fig.