Ken Gargett Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 https://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2019/01/photos-january-heatwave-australia/581542/?utm_source=&silverid-ref=MzEwMTkwMTQyMjYwS0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarryVT Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 How do we not know, that the climate we are experiencing now, is not a cycle the earth goes through every million or so years? What do you think humans were blaming the ice age on 2 million years ago? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcarlson Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 This is not evidence of anthropogenic global warming under any modeling, regardless of your position on it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ken Gargett Posted January 31, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted January 31, 2019 so pretty much every reputable scientist on the planet has it wrong and self-serving politicians have a better understanding than they do. when the last human finally expires, at least they will be able to tell themselves it was nothing to do with us. 9 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Islandboy Posted January 31, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 31, 2019 I was just going to say how interesting the photos are, and how Ken, for once, had little to do with starting the s**tstorm. ? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Gargett Posted January 31, 2019 Author Share Posted January 31, 2019 1 minute ago, Islandboy said: I was just going to say how interesting the photos are, and how Ken, for once, had little to do with starting the s**tstorm. ? i made no initial comment, just posted the link to the photos. i thought that spoke for itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islandboy Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 Just now, Ken Gargett said: i made no initial comment, just posted the link to the photos. i thought that spoke for itself. I know, that’s what I was trying to convey. My only concern is how the poor seagulls are gonna get 4 square meals now that the dogs and their humans are on patrol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarryVT Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 Oh how I knew shit would get going, my wife thinks I'm good at stirring shit up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Presidente Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 as a species, we are a disgrace. We deserve whatever we end up with 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanMcLean68 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 2 hours ago, BarryVT said: How do we not know, that the climate we are experiencing now, is not a cycle the earth goes through every million or so years? What do you think humans were blaming the ice age on 2 million years ago? Nobody was complaining about ice ages because they take 1000's of years to evolve. The reason we are complaining now is because WE have accelerated that natural cycle so that its effects are clearly noticeable within a human lifespan. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post El Presidente Posted January 31, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 31, 2019 Let's see who argues in an intelligent way and who gets an early Easter break. I am happy for you to discuss the issues and supply supporting data (either way). Debate not the man, not the politics. Respect. "agree to disagree" is as about as heated (excuse the pun) as I want it. I am looking at Di's 3.5 metre fish tank (3.5 m long/ 1.2 m high and 600mm wide). A batch of red devils hatched 6 months ago and enough survived to make it problematic. The tank is now overcrowded....it's a huge tank but these are big resource hungry fish. There is friction in the tank, it is becoming polluted quicker, water quality is becoming harder to maintain and some mysterious sickness has come to the fore. The solution is to thin out the numbers of fish back to a sustainable level before the ecosystem implodes. We can't do this in the real world. However without some intelligent intervention I suspect the end result will be the same. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzz Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 50 minutes ago, IanMcLean68 said: Nobody was complaining about ice ages because they take 1000's of years to evolve. The reason we are complaining now is because WE have accelerated that natural cycle so that its effects are clearly noticeable within a human lifespan. Who said they didn't? I mean, that's what all those hand prints on the cave walls are. Over time, people got too lazy to hold up their whole hand, and now they just raise one finger... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanMcLean68 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, Fuzz said: Who said they didn't? I mean, that's what all those hand prints on the cave walls are. Over time, people got too lazy to hold up their whole hand, and now they just raise one finger... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ritch Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 And here in the UK our summers are a little bit warmer and our winters a little hit later. And for most the year its wet and miserable. No real change then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cfc1016 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 1 hour ago, El Presidente said: We can't do this in the real world. Couldn’t we though? Just cull... say... 100% of the population? ? PS for the record I’m totally staying out of the argument at hand. Best to stick with ‘no comment’. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Presidente Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 9 minutes ago, cfc1016 said: Couldn’t we though? Just cull... say... 100% of the population? ? ...we agree to disagree I mean...how hard can civility be 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cfc1016 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 44 minutes ago, El Presidente said: ...we agree to disagree I mean...how hard can civility be Agreed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HopeUgood Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 5 hours ago, BarryVT said: How do we not know, that the climate we are experiencing now, is not a cycle the earth goes through every million or so years? What do you think humans were blaming the ice age on 2 million years ago? There is plenty of scientific evidence that higher levels of greenhouse gasses act almost as a blanket, trapping the suns heat and releasing havoc with the weather. While it is true that these gasses naturally fluctuate, the levels we see now are unprecedented. CO2 produced from the burning of fossil fuels also produces a specific ion when compared to naturally occurring atmospheric CO2. That graph is a near perfect overlay as the one linked and provided here by NASA, which is just a total ppm levels of carbon dioxide. I do wonder as well how much of the current weather is related to solar energy directed at the earth. The suns typical solar cycle lasts approximately 11 years as it bounces between solar minimum and solar maximum, however there was a 60 year period from 1645 to 1715 in which the solar cycle broke down. There is speculation that this caused "the mini ice age" that was reported during that time period. Personally, right now, my money is on the majority of the climate anomalies being caused by mankind. Just in the last two weeks, Australia set a heat wave record and Chicago will set a temperature swing record. That is on top of numerous cold temp records set in the states. Five of the hottest years on record all have occurred in the 2010 decade, with 20 of the hottest years on record occurring in the last 30 years. https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/ 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzz Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 Look people, there is absolutely nothing to fear about climate change. If the polar ice melts and the oceans rise, it will just run off over the edge of the world.... 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokum Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 4 hours ago, El Presidente said: as a species, we are a disgrace. We deserve whatever we end up with My daughter came back from study at Warrnambool/Deakin. She is now a fully transformed young lady and has become quite the defender of our planet. Especially the oceans and reefs. And we most definitely are killing the planet in many ways. One thing is for sure, don’t be caught using a drinking straw in her presence ! She bought me a stainless steel one. Looking at that trash in the ocean convinces me she is spot on. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Presidente Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 1 hour ago, db13 said: Science? According to some people on this planet man existed here with dinosaurs approx. 4000 years ago. It was 6000 years 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanMcLean68 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 1 hour ago, db13 said: Science? According to some people on this planet man existed here with dinosaurs approx. 4000 years ago. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayepatz Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 Whatever happened to nuclear fusion? Wasn’t that going to be the great leap forward that would clean up energy production all over the world? Are we any closer? Everything else seems like closing the barn door after the horse has bolted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzz Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 44 minutes ago, ayepatz said: Whatever happened to nuclear fusion? Wasn’t that going to be the great leap forward that would clean up energy production all over the world? Are we any closer? Everything else seems like closing the barn door after the horse has bolted. I hope you mean cold fusion. We already have the normal kind, and that ain't exactly helpful. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nKostyan Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 Like the law of conservation of energy: if there is anomalous cold, somewhere will be a heat wave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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