for the politically correct and the socialists

[Ken Gargett]

this is going around the internet. i know it is all too simplistic but i rather liked it. and no, i do not have a corvette (or even want one, to be honest).

 

A guy looked at my Corvette the other day and said, I wonder how many people could have been fed for the money that sports car cost.

I replied I am not sure, it fed a lot of families in Bowling Green, Kentucky who built it, it fed the people who make the tires, it fed the people who made the components that went into it, it fed the people in the copper mine who mined the copper for the wires, it fed people in Decatur IL, at Caterpillar who make the trucks that haul the copper ore. It fed the trucking people who hauled it from the plant to the dealer and fed the people working at the dealership and their families.

BUT,... I have to admit, I guess I really don't know how many people it fed.

That is the difference between capitalism and welfare mentality. When you buy something, you put money in people's pockets, and give them dignity for their skills. When you give someone something for nothing, you rob them of their dignity and self worth.

Capitalism is freely giving your money in exchange for something of value. Socialism is taking your money against your will and shoving something down your throat for which you never asked.

[davenoh]

The new corvettes are very nice....just sayin.   LOL

[poorman]

1 hour ago, SenorPerfecto said:

Oh lordy

The problem with socialism is eventually you run out of other people's money - Margaret Thatcher. 

 

[dominattorney]

Dude. The real issue is that you could have bought a used Porsche 911 with likely the same money. Sure it has 60k miles on it, but what a car. Used Porsches are about the best deal out there that no one talks about, if you know how to maintain them yourself that is  

[scap99]

1 minute ago, dominattorney said:

Dude. The real issue is that you could have bought a used Porsche 911 with likely the same money. Sure it has 60k miles on it, but what a car. Used Porsches are about the best deal out there that no one talks about, if you know how to maintain them yourself that is  

Not to mention they have never really been driven...Sad to see them relegated to laundry and grocery runs. 

[dominattorney]

Just now, scap99 said:

Not to mention they have never really been driven...Sad to see them relegated to laundry and grocery runs. 

You can be at the Safeway and back before the wife has time to ask whether you forgot the milk. 

[Fuzz]

But buying a used Porsche is depriving some poor car wrecker his livelihood! And what about the people who work at the metal reclamation plant? Or the people who take parts and restore them for resale?

[Ken Gargett]

36 minutes ago, Fuzz said:

But buying a used Porsche is depriving some poor car wrecker his livelihood! And what about the people who work at the metal reclamation plant? Or the people who take parts and restore them for resale?

but fuzz, not buying a used porsche would deprive a salesman of his income. and the people at licencing/registrations. and all the comedians who like to make jokes about tossers in porsches (no offence to those with porsches).

[Fuzz]

1 hour ago, Ken Gargett said:

but fuzz, not buying a used porsche would deprive a salesman of his income. and the people at licencing/registrations. and all the comedians who like to make jokes about tossers in porsches (no offence to those with porsches).

Ah, but said salesman could instead sell a new Porsche and still be gainfully employed, as will all the other people.

[Ken Gargett]

3 minutes ago, Fuzz said:

Ah, but said salesman could instead sell a new Porsche and still be gainfully employed, as will all the other people.

said purchaser may not be able to afford a new porsche and so opts to keep his old car for an extra five years, robbing them all of income.

[planetary]

2 hours ago, dominattorney said:

You can be at the Safeway and back before the wife has time to ask whether you forgot the milk. 

In theory yes, but in practice you park a mile away from all other cars in the parking lot, so you're burning a lot of extra time walking... and pausing to appreciate your car from various angles... and making sure some jackass in a rust-bucket doesn't park next to you just because he can.

[gweilgi]

56 minutes ago, planetary said:

In theory yes, but in practice you park a mile away from all other cars in the parking lot, so you're burning a lot of extra time walking... and pausing to appreciate your car from various angles... and making sure some jackass in a rust-bucket doesn't park next to you just because he can.

... and you get to do this twice, because you made sure to forget the milk so you'd have to take the car out for another little run ....

Hmm ... is this enough time for a quick cigar?

[hedgeybaby]

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[Warren]

Have you heard the story of the constipated mathematician?

It's ok, he worked it out with a pencil.

[Ryan]

Of course it's a good thing to have an economy healthy enough to keep people in gainful employment.

Profit is a fairly straightforward incitement.

We've had the wool pulled over our eyes though with the belief that simple consumerism will keep us happy.

When we buy stuff, it doesn't just cost us money, but the time taken from our lives to earn that money.

One of the best comments I've seen on this is from Jose Mujica, ex-president of Uruguay

 

Here he is.

It starts at 1:15:04 on this video and his bit lasts only 2 minutes.

If you haven't seen the film, it's worth a look, it's all on Youtube in HD. Good stuff. Some powerful stuff.

 

[oliverdst]

In poor countries almost nothing goes to workers. Boss and State get everything. Sad.

[oliverdst]

3 hours ago, Ryan said:

Of course it's a good thing to have an economy healthy enough to keep people in gainful employment.

Profit is a fairly straightforward incitement.

We've had the wool pulled over our eyes though with the belief that simple consumerism will keep us happy.

When we buy stuff, it doesn't just cost us money, but the time taken from our lives to earn that money.

One of the best comments I've seen on this is from Jose Mujica, ex-president of Uruguay

 

Here he is.

It starts at 1:15:04 on this video and his bit lasts only 2 minutes.

If you haven't seen the film, it's worth a look, it's all on Youtube in HD. Good stuff. Some powerful stuff.

 

Mujica is a brilliant man. He was in my town some months ago but it was way overpacked and I could not have a ticket to attended the event.

His speech in UN is remarkable.

[SaintMickey®]

13 hours ago, Ken Gargett said:

this is going around the internet. i know it is all too simplistic but i rather liked it. and no, i do not have a corvette (or even want one, to be honest).

 

A guy looked at my Corvette the other day and said, I wonder how many people could have been fed for the money that sports car cost.

 

I replied I am not sure, it fed a lot of families in Bowling Green, Kentucky who built it, it fed the people who make the tires, it fed the people who made the components that went into it, it fed the people in the copper mine who mined the copper for the wires, it fed people in Decatur IL, at Caterpillar who make the trucks that haul the copper ore. It fed the trucking people who hauled it from the plant to the dealer and fed the people working at the dealership and their families.

BUT,... I have to admit, I guess I really don't know how many people it fed.

 

That is the difference between capitalism and welfare mentality. When you buy something, you put money in people's pockets, and give them dignity for their skills. When you give someone something for nothing, you rob them of their dignity and self worth.

 

Capitalism is freely giving your money in exchange for something of value. Socialism is taking your money against your will and shoving something down your throat for which you never asked.

 

Oh My...this might be a sign of end times...I completely agree with Ken! 

[oliverdst]

5 minutes ago, SenorPerfecto said:

Poor countries like the USA?

I dont know if USA is poor. I know Brazil is.

[Smallclub]

37 minutes ago, oliverdst said:

I dont know if USA is poor. I know Brazil is.

There are many people living in poverty in Brazil, but is Brazil, the 8th or 9th largest economy, "poor"?

There are about 9 millions people (14% of the population) living below the poverty line in France, which isn't exactly a "poor" country.

[Troels]

Various sorts of socialism is practiced here in Europe - which in my country, Denmark, means free Health care, free schools and universities, as well as some level of social benefits if out of job. The latter has been reduced quite a bit in recent years though. 

Its good for the individuals and for society as a whole as more people gets educated and stay healthy and productive - but true - taxes are high, and some people pay more than they get back. Some of them was given the chance to become educated and wealthy by this system, some of them would have made it anyway due to family wealth or high skills. A high average income and level of Education, which is the product of this set up, is generally appriciated by the Industry as well though. 

beeing rich is not criminal, and a fair few people are - its perfectly possible - its just in a different system  

so where am I going with this - think my point is that the educating story, is being so black/white its twisting the discussion. Either you let all your money being confiscated by the State, that will use it to passify the masses - or you choose capitalisme and provide (pressumable good) jobs for everyone. 

Im no die hard socialist myself, but no fan of pure unregulated capitalism either, been seing too much when travelling 

[topdiesel]

I've never really been much of a people person, I guess that makes me a little anti-socialism.  Both Porsches & Corvettes are pretty cool though.

[clutch5150]

Hate to see if it was a Ferrari!

[suggs]

If we're lobbing reductionist insults now...

 

[rhcolbert]

Both sides - social weleare and capitalists - are "right" as they both derive form our evolution.  Thousands of years tribal members shared with the group for survival and cohesion.  They also gave massive praise to thouse who brought in more and violently punished those who took more than their fair share.

smaller the better.  You can see who really adds value in a group and witness real human compassion within a community.  Governments and globalism just fuck it all up.  Your warrior class are tossed around the world like mercinaries and have no community to come home to.  Many of us have no wants and know nothing of struggle. Struggle is the best times of my life (retrospect).  The best bonds. No jealousy.  One day your skills are needed and praised, the next your buddies.  No a private society, but one our genetics out built for.