Cuban Cigars Are So One Dimensional

[TCContender]

10 hours ago, El Presidente said:

When  I am doing Dim Sum in Shanghai with Foxy and Seldis in a fortnight, we will be asking for Ghurkas 

Hit up Din Tai Fung, there's like 20 of them in Shanghai.

[leftimatic]

7 hours ago, garbandz said:

smoked a few different Gurkhas over the years.

never had one make me puke.

never found one I would pay $$ for.

when you can get these at a certain online retailer for $3.00 each,you can figure their value pretty quick.

 

Yes most dealers of  nc's that I have dealt with generally have them marked down from msrp $700 a box to $75. I'm no billionaire but I would still take a Quorum Corona first any day.

[planetary]

Shhhh.  Keep them away from Cuban cigars.  Let them have their Gurkhas.

[Fugu]

9 hours ago, wabashcr said:

I would also add that he's technically correct about NC tobacco producing a wider array of flavors.  Compared to NC tobacco grown in several different parts of the world, yes, Cuban tobacco can appear a bit homogeneous.

Fully aware of the point you want to make, Wabashcr, but even that is wrong:

Without arguing on quality here - is a Bordeaux more complex than a Burgundy - just because it's a blend of different varietals from different lots, plots and parcels?! (ask Ken for an answer on this one....)

- A blend of crap remains crap.

This argument of higher complexity with higher variability in provenance is what it is: marketing-BS.

[wabashcr]

Fully aware of the point you want to make, Wabashcr, but even that is wrong:

Without arguing on quality here - is a Bordeaux more complex than a Burgundy - just because it's a blend of different varietals from different lots, plots and parcels?! (ask Ken for an answer on this one....)

- A blend of crap remains crap.

This argument of higher complexity with higher variability in provenance is what it is: marketing-BS.

I never said NC cigars are more complex, only that more varieties of NC tobacco means a wider array of possible flavors. That's the basis of the argument Gurkha guy made (and you inferred). My point is that it doesn't matter how many varieties of tobacco you have at your disposal if the tobacco is inferior. Which I think is the point you're making, too. I'm just pointing out that his argument starts with a fair point, that he then extrapolates into a wildly inaccurate conclusion.

That said, there are some NC manufacturers doing some interesting things with tobacco grown all over the world. As far as I am aware, Gurkha is not one of them. Just because their owner makes fallacious arguments doesn't mean all other NCs are in the same boat.

[Fugu]

Yes, perhaps I was not clear enough - I was supporting your view, but you said he were "technically correct". Which he clearly isn't: Hansotia is being cited drivelling about complexity (not simply a different array of flavours): "Cuban cigars are one dimensional in their flavor base. They don't have the complexity that blended cigars have.."

It was this very sentence, highlighted by Blazer, I was referring to.

 

[jwr0201]

Gurkhas are pretty much considered on par with Rocky Patels - a slim few average ones at best.  Most are dog rockets.  

[kuma]

Dear Mr. Gurkhas,

Please continue to sell in Asia and provide the great people of the many different countries with your outstanding brand.

Even better you should also start selling in Russia where I hear your cigars are highly sought after.

For all you NC / Dom. / Gurkhas smokers I suggest you stay away from smoking the Cuban cigars

reason being they have many bugs in them and every CC I've ever had was plugged and on top of that

they have no flavor and are made from leaves that have been aged (some) for a great many years.

How silly to age a Cuban.  Please give Asia as many Gurkspuke I mean Gurkhas as you

can produce.  They deserve only the best.  And when talking to the great people of Asia

tell them to stop wasting money on CC and only buy your brand and to stay away

from CC's.

[TomF]

23 hours ago, wabashcr said:

I would also add that he's technically correct about NC tobacco producing a wider array of flavors.  Compared to NC tobacco grown in several different parts of the world, yes, Cuban tobacco can appear a bit homogeneous.  Obviously this is a pretty shallow point for those of us who consider Cuban tobacco to be the best.  There's plenty of nuance and complexity in Cuban tobacco, which makes the point a nonstarter.

What good is a wide variety of flavors if each of those flavors tastes like a wide variety of ass? You could eat crap from a horse or from a bull but you're still eating crap.

[LLumley]

I have a special place for ghurkas..... My garbage!!!

[CoffeeGeek]

On 6/9/2016 at 1:58 PM, El Presidente said:

Everywhere I go in Asia....all I see is Ghurka.

I am tired of Asian Billionaires e-mailing me for special release Ghurka. 

My advice:

1. buy a shitload of Ghurkas seconds, rejects, whatever discounts you can get.
2. Sell said Ghurkas to idiotic billionaires (what they used to look like) for an insane, 2000% markup. Tell them the seconds and rejects are "rare, unreleased Ghurkas!"
3. Pass along some savings to FoH'ers in their purchases; call it the "Ghurka Discount" 

Everyone wins!

[Colt45]

Whether or not I agree with the marketing methods, I hope they sell every cigar they produce.

[helix]

The only cigars I ever threw in the trash can rather than give away.

[LeafLover]

His perspective obviously...drive by his motivation to sell his product.  

Only perspective i care care for is mine: 1) I will never put another Gurkha to my lips. It just doesn't taste good to me. 2) Cuban cigars are good and that's what I like to smoke. 

[Smallclub]

18 hours ago, Fugu said:

This argument of higher complexity with higher variability in provenance is what it is: marketing-BS.
 

Exactly. Saying that complexity comes from the blending of leaves from different provenances is a counter-truth; in the mouth of someone in the tobacco business it's a blatant lie.

[Fosgate]

I threw up in my mouth a little, choked, then passed out twice and woke up with some guy with paddles about to shock the sh$t out of me after reading this. On a lighter note I hope the majority of this rag of a magazines audience buys that steaming pile of editorial sales pitch, leaving my CC's alone.

[MooseAMuffin]

You have to admit, the guy is a marketing genius. They way over price them to make people think they are luxurious. All the Gurkhas I've had have been awful. 

Prez, do us all a favor and go along with this marketing ploy. Sell them as many Gurkhas as possible. Keep the "one dimensional" CCs to us!

 

[Colt45]

17 minutes ago, MooseAMuffin said:

They way over price them to make people think they are luxurious.

Like the original Cohiba Behike

[JohnnyO]

Billionaire Trump smoke Ghurka as he builds wall

Hillary smoke 20 year old one dimensional Cohiba

That Monica gave her after her fall

[wabashcr]

Yes, perhaps I was not clear enough - I was supporting your view, but you said he were "technically correct". Which he clearly isn't: Hansotia is being cited drivelling about complexity (not simply a different array of flavours): "Cuban cigars are one dimensional in their flavor base. They don't have the complexity that blended cigars have.."

It was this very sentence, highlighted by Blazer, I was referring to.

 

I wasn't clear in my initial post, either. Only meant he was technically correct about NC tobacco having more varieties with which to blend. Certainly not correct about his conclusion. Sorry for the confusion. I think we agree.

[Fuzz]

It is quite true that Cuban cigars are one dimensional... and that dimension is spectacular!

[demer]

Im all about letting people live their lives. Smoke, drink do whatever makes you happy. With that said Ghurka are some hot garbage though. 

[Joshtupps]

The kind of b******t they'd accept in the states.  Cubans are dreadful, buy our cigars, we know what's best for you.......

[cigcars]

In first reading this article by Kaizad H. I had the horrifying thought of, "OH, My God! He's probably charging the Asians - what was it; $1,000 apiece or $1,000 a box for his Black Dragon release that he tried to charge over here. Now (if you can find them), they're at about $3 bucks apiece or something. Also, the impossibly high amounts he wanted for his Cognac dipped thingies. If they're willing to pay that amount then I'm wasting time working an hourly wage and need to get in the action of selling crap cigars over there too!!!  Also, his statement sounds exactly like what non CC sellers will be spouting once Cubans (should that golden, glorious day ever come) become available Stateside...with all the insults and put downs about those "one dimensional" smokes that NC sellers will make...and knowing the whole time that they'll be plotting and planning their next releases WITH those one dimensional's tobaccos added into their mix. 

Just like nearly everybody on this board here - I'm certain (well - a little certain) that most people will take what he said with a grain of salt 

[Fugu]

'Grain of salt' is a minuscule understatement...