cdfarrar Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Based only on 2 sources and one of them being CA, not falling for this. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/12/18/cuban-cigars-arent-actually-all-that-special/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fingerburner Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Pure comedy gold. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post cigarbreak Posted January 9, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 9, 2015 Thanks for sharing this. Seems like the blogger hasn't indulged in too many fine Cuban Cigars himself lol and just read a bunch of buzz about NC's to come up with that first paragraph. Either way, the more this type of media comes up downplaying CC's convincing the Americans otherwise who have yet to light up a Cuban, those more there is left for us to buy, collect and smoke 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt123 Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Biggest crock of sh#t I've read in a long time! I guess there's a reason why I stopped reading ca for 10+ years. Except for that havana special in 2011;) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earthson Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Wow, just wow! Seems like most folks who claim "Cubans are overrated" have never had one - OR - they had "a Montecristo I got off the beach in Cancun and it was nothing special." I like the part where JC Newman had obviously been smoking crack that day and said his cigars are "by and large better" than Cubans! Did this guy drink the Prometheus Koolaid? In related news, my wife was overjoyed to hear that I thought that most $3 and $4 CC are better than most $12+ NC. But I guess I'm falling for the mystique! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oliverdst Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 There is and will be a lot of articles like that, sponsored by NC companies. This is business. But I didn't think the article is that bad. Of course not hearing the other side (CC) it has no credibility. And I want more and more articles like that in all the magazines and newspapres: there will be less North Americans going to CC. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallclub Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 The NC cigar industry is doing in his pants at the thought of seeing habanos sold in the US territory. This kind of bullshit is only starting. http://uk.businessinsider.com/cuban-cigars-are-overrated-2015-1?r=US 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLB03TT Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 NC guys selling their book. They're threatened by the possibility that their franchises may be undermined by the opening of Cuban cigars to the US market. I would expect no other response, it's business after all and everyone will attempt to protect, defend and shamelessly promote what is in their best interest. Cigar smokers will decide this in the long run and when the dust settles I believe that Cuban Puros will dominate the premium hand rolled long filler segment. Years ago I used to live and die by CA's recommendations. Now I find the magazine totally useless when looking for information on cigars I may want to smoke. As a large format glossy lifestyle rag there are some pretty photos to look at on occasion.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramon_cojones Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Love it, let them keep publishing that stuff in an effort to bolster their sales. CA is to cigars as GQ is to dressing well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canadianbeaver Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 I do not think there are enough consumers in the US to spend $15+ on higher end per cigar, NC, CC or otherwise. This is more than the price of 3 packs of cigarettes no? Yes Padron and Opus X perhaps, but to then split that market into a whole new group of items? CA Magazine is driven by ad dollars, no mystery there. Agree with above that cool thing will be to walk around with a Cohiba equivalent of the White Owl, which will require such demand they will have to go machine made. I am not worried. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post forgop Posted January 10, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 10, 2015 That's fine. They can push their Rockey Patels, Gurkhas, Alec Bradleys, CAO's, Macanudos, Perdomos, etc to the masses in exchange for advertising dollars and leave the CC's to the minions like me. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stogieluver Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Would like to see a lot of these type articles. If they tamp down the demand, means more for the rest of us at lower prices. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor2118 Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 canadianbeaver, on 10 Jan 2015 - 11:20 AM, said:I do not think there are enough consumers in the US to spend $15+ on higher end per cigar, NC, CC or otherwise. Out of interest, Alex advised me that immediately following the article about the Cuban cigar embargo being lifted / modified, that the daily traffic on the CubanCigarWebsite increased FIVE-FOLD.....now that's interest. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garbandz Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Out of interest, Alex advised me that immediately following the article about the Cuban cigar embargo being lifted / modified, that the daily traffic on the CubanCigarWebsite increased FIVE-FOLD.....now that's interest. Well,I did post a CCW link on a couple other sites ................... I saw the Washington Post article,it should not surprise anyone that the newspaper in the Capitol of is full of ........ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleDD Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Perfectly fine with me, more cigars for true enthusiasts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canadianbeaver Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Out of interest, Alex advised me that immediately following the article about the Cuban cigar embargo being lifted / modified, that the daily traffic on the CubanCigarWebsite increased FIVE-FOLD.....now that's interest. That's amazing! Any idea what could happen to Cohiba "Red Dot" etc? ** I also figured out my thinking about the volume of the market is out of whack. Yes there may not be that many expensive cigar buyers, but there aren't that many made either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earthson Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 The NC cigar industry is doing in his pants at the thought of seeing habanos sold in the US territory. This kind of bullshit is only starting. http://uk.businessinsider.com/cuban-cigars-are-overrated-2015-1?r=US In response to the article SC quoted, since when the hell did fantastic cigars pop up in Honduras? I always thought Honduran smokes tasted like a combo of cigarette and ashtray. And I'm all for the American mad rush towards Cubans. Sure, I won't be able to secure some of my favorite premium brands for a few years, but at least shameless gougers like the Fuentes, Padrons, and the frat-boy-of-them-all John Drew will have to back off on their often prodigal pricing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polarbear Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 This argument has been around for ages. Its kinda sad to see NC manufactures and retailers bash (but not overtly) Cuban Cigars when asked for comment on these changes. They've been doing it for years so they've all got their comments well polished. Any manufacturer or retailer who says they're not worried about CCs becoming more mainstream in the US is a bald faced liar. Even after you strip away the argument that CCs are the best in the world (an argument I personally don't agree with 100%) you still have an over saturated market about to be introduced to a country that produces over 20 marcas that people are going to be asking for, meaning already overstuffed retailers are going to either have to compete directly with LCDHs in the US or stop caring existing NCs in order to make room for the CCs that people clamor for. NC brands will end up having to trim their lines down in an effort to stay viable in the marketplace as most of the 100% NC smokers start to introduce CCs into their rotations. Also, the Super Premium NC industry will need to reconsider their pricing as I would rather smoke a $25 Behike than a $50-$100 Padron. The ultimate irony in the NC market is that with the regulations the FDA is talking about imposing on the US cigar industry, HSA may not decide to bring their entire portfolo to the US if the embargo is ever lifted due to the cost of approval for new cigars entering the marketplace. The changes that many people thought would be the death of the NC industry may end up saving them from a CC onslaught 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egoo33 Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 They want it both ways, saying Cubans are overrated but when trying to sell something quickly describing it as Cubanesque 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cigarbreak Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 One good thing coming out of this (when Cuban cigars become available in the US) is that when I go to the states I dont have to hide my Cubans that and I can go to a bnm there and find me some Cubans if I smoke all of the stash I brought lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnS Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 More competition will force each player in the market to make better quality products in the long run. It's a good thing. Articles like this are trying to make cigar enthisiasts stick with their usual Dominican and Nicaraguan offerings (and we all know there are some fine ones out there) but ultimately quelling American interest in all things Cuban right now is like trying to stop a flood with a bucket! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aushy Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 The article is laughable, but very cleverly written and with an obvious bias. Nothing in the article is actually false. A lot of the cuban bashing was about inconsistent quality, which is true. Referencing CA and their top 25, and producing a pretty pie chart on how many are from Cuba, all true information albeit from a dodgy source. I'd put money on it that this was a sponsored article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iahawk36 Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 I used to believe that there wasn't a real difference too...until I smoked a real Cuban.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earthson Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 The article is laughable, but very cleverly written and with an obvious bias. Nothing in the article is actually false. A lot of the cuban bashing was about inconsistent quality, which is true. Referencing CA and their top 25, and producing a pretty pie chart on how many are from Cuba, all true information albeit from a dodgy source. I'd put money on it that this was a sponsored article. Maybe 10 years ago, but I've found CC to be quite consistent. Maybe I'm just on a winning streak, but I get better burns from CC than NC. Sure, I might come across a plugged stick every now and again, but it's less common than the NC wind tunnels that are rolled too loose or rolled with such a bias that the whole stick is a chase to get it to butn right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzz Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 I say lets have more articles just like this. If more Americans think CCs are bad, once the embargo is lifted, demand will remain low. That means more cigars for us!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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