El Presidente Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 A topic of discussion on Friday For the record I will list mine. 1. Romeo y Julieta Piramide Released in 2000 and discontinued late 2002/3. They were so embarrassed they hoped no one would remember If you could get one to draw it would be bitter/acidic. I came across a few good boxes (if I put the good boxes at 10% of production I would be generous) and have always wondered how they aged. For those who have them, chime in. 2. Trinidad Short Robusto T Edicion Limitada 2010. Hard to believe you can launch an expensive short crap cigar but by God they managed it. Word is they have improved markedly. That would make them almost average. 3. Montecristo Open 2009 release (Eagle/Master/Regatta/Junior). Designed by committee lead by a marketing guy with a ponytail and a whiteboard. "Horse-racing, yachting, motor racing, Golf!....let's move Habanos into the sporting world!" Unfortunately they produced some bog average light flavourless cigars. I understand they tweaked the blend in 2010 to make them more like a cigar. Still a decent seller in airports around the world. 4. Quintero Petit Quintero 2014 release. I have it on my list not because it is a bad cigar but simply a mesmerizing marketing decision. The Quintero Favorito was a worldwide success launched 2012. So what do you do......I don't know, maybe expand and launch a new cheap Bolivar of Punch? No...what you do is try and cannibalize a good seller by releasing a slightly smaller cigar at near the same price in the same category. Genius! 5. Cuaba Bariay Collecion Habanos Book. 2012 release. They only made 1000 of these 20 cigar book releases. By my calculation there would be 900 left today Mind blowing. What you do is take your slowest selling marque and use it for one of your benchmark collector releases at $1300-$1700 retail. If it was a real book it would have been in the discount bin a week after release. What are your top 3-5 worst or most perplexing HSA releases? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 Quite moody today are we?! Good post Mr. Prez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyfall Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 1) Cohiba Secretos 2) HUHC 3) HDM Petit Robusto 4) Monte Open 5) Monte Petit #2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunod Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 1) Cuaba Divinos 2) Cuaba Exclusivos 3) Cuaba Distinguidos 4) Cuaba Salomon 5) Cuaba Diadema 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpInSmoak Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 Cohiba Maduro anything HDM Petit Robusto Almost every LE Cohiba PE RyJ Reserva 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramon_cojones Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 petit 2 for sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puros Y Vino Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Trinidad Short Robusto T Partagas D5 Churchill-o-mania. (Short/Wide/Petit) and now RyJ Wide Churchill Gran Reserva?!?! Monte Open Cuaba anything LE, book releases, etc. Ditch the brand, move a few of the perfectos to marcas without them with an appropriate blend. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blakes Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 I'm a bit baffled at the new Le Hoyo san juan just because the rest of the line is/was 42rg and under. It seems out of place. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REASON Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Trinidad Short Robusto T Partagas D5 Churchill-o-mania. (Short/Wide/Petit) and now RyJ Wide Churchill Gran Reserva?!?! Monte Open Cuaba anything LE, book releases, etc. Ditch the brand, move a few of the perfectos to marcas without them with an appropriate blend. I second this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Presidente Posted October 7, 2014 Author Share Posted October 7, 2014 Monte Petit Number 2 almost made the top 5. It would come in at 6 in my list. Much the same reasoning as for the Quintero Petit Quintero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dicko Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 I've never got the R&J Churchill in different sizes. I thought a Churchill was a particular size, long around 47 rg. Although I guess you see super coronas and super robustos as well. Cohiba maduro series is another winner. I've tried them and they are good but for the money I'll just get 4 quality NC's that taste basically the same. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrb5783 Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Diplo short Robusto Great cigar I just would like to know what I was smoking when I bought 2 boxes at $15 a stick before ever trying one Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cigarbreak Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 I'm not as versed as many here who have seen the ebb and flow of releases, but i do know i haven't jumped for the D5's because i suspect its similar to its cheaper brother the D4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 I fear the worst has yet to come. Cohiba Robustos supreme Partagas D6 (really???) And of course the Monte Pno.2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lasabar Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 I fear the worst has yet to come. Cohiba Robustos supreme Partagas D6 (really???) And of course the Monte Pno.2 Thanks! Got my shopping list for the next year!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polarbear Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Monte Open Line- With the re-release of Verguros this makes even less sense now RyJ Petit Churchill- A Contradiction in Terms. A redundant size for the portfolio and pretty average cigar to boot Cohiba Maduros- Over priced and uninspiring. Its a shame they share a band with such a legendary marca Partagas D5 and D6- "Lets just keep making a D4 shorter until we run out of cigar" Cuaba- Seriously, How is this marca still sitting there unscathed while Diplomatico and Ramon Allones are slowly being boned out into non existence!? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramon_cojones Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 I enjoy the d5s, tastes nothing like a d4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
in0gravity Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 I tend to disagree on the Petit Quinteros. Agreed, the Favoritos are a great release but the Petit Quintero, at least to me, is more in the category of the Upmann Half Corona or RG Perlas. A short smoke that delivers from the start. And that makes it the perfect outdoor winter cigar The whole Petit, Short, Wide Churchill Releases I am very sceptical of. What's next a Half Corona named Half Churchill? The Hoyo Epicure Especial. Is that cigar even selling? Monte Open Line. regards Lars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnLimitada Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Although I haven't tried all the Cuaba line, the Salomones and the LE 2008 are great change of pace cigars. I wouldn't want Cuaba to go away completely. Having said that, if it is between that and getting rid of more PCs, corona and lancero vitolas of other marcas like RA, Punch, Partagas, Montecristo, Quai D'orsay or Upmann then by all means. Haven't tried any Monte Opens yet and won't unless I'm gifted one based on these reviews and many others. The Secretos are an abomination to cigars everywhere (just my opinion of course). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cigcars Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 *The Ramon Allones LE. Made sure and tried it twice - Man, what a dead and uneventful smoke *Fonseca KDT and Cosacos. B-O-R-R-R-I-N-N-N-G *Cohiba Magicos and Secretos. Made sure and tried each a few times over. Don't know if it's just that maduro wrapper of theirs or what. But I've consistently found them non-flavorful and like empty air. With each of these above smokes I would truly find any Monte Open or Guantanamera ten times more flavorful. My humble 2 cents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainQuintero Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Monte petit #2 - Just unnecessary, it doesn't fill a demand that isn't already catered for in the Monte line up. Aside from that, the pricing is disgusting compared to, well anything else. If you manage to ignore these two solar flares of awfulness, the taste..... Cohiba Piramides Extra, again what does the release do that the Esplendido or Siglo 6 doesn't? Lazy. Monte Open, why create a cigar to introduce new smokers to the world of Cuban cigars, by creating a cigar that tastes like the worst offerings that can be had, and charge you over the odds for it? If you're going out on a date you show the lady your best side, why turn up looking fancy but not having washed for a month then make the lady pay for everything? If HSA wanted to make a 'sucking stick' for golfers to willy wave with, why not release all the double coronas with a second band with a picture of a golf club on them? RyJ petit Churchill, I had forgotten they existed. Again what gap in the RyJ marca does this fill that the cedros/tubed/mf selection does not already cover? You want a premium cigar with bigger ring gauge than the above RyJ? What's wrong with the Exhibition #4? I'm going to get hate but, Vegas Robaina. It might be my tastes but I just don't get anything from them beyond decent rich tobacco, which is fine but there is no personality there for me, no fond memories. These are like how I imagined a true Monte Open series would have been blended like. Inoffensive, tasty, a fine introduction to tobacco. Like a blended Whisky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sengjc Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 I have only one: the pricing of the new regular releases in general. From the Romeo y Julieta Wide Churchills to the Petit Churchills, Partagas Serie E No. 2 to the Serie D No. 5, Montecristo Petit No. 2 to the Double Edmundo, Cohiba Piramides Extra the pricing for these leaves much to be desired - they are so much higher than the regular and established vitolas that are in the portfolio, where's the value in that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallclub Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 • The Edmundo: a mediocre cigar from the start, and unfortunately a mediocre cigar that sell. We can blame it for today's huge ring gauge rage. • Partagas P2: the Partagas line needed a figurado (pyramid or campana), but not a weak one… • Vegas Robaina: I have had good ones, but globally the marca is a dud… I don't understand the rage against Cuaba. The Divinos, when properly rolled, can be a winner, and the Salomon and the Diademas are certainly not bad cigars. At least, when you buy a Salomon or even a Distinguido, you know what you're buying. One can't say the same when buying a Famosos or a RyJ churchill… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Any cigar introduced since 2000 that begins with the word 'Petit'. Drop the 'Petit' and add an inch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
in0gravity Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Any cigar introduced since 2000 that begins with the word 'Petit'. Drop the 'Petit' and add an inch. I wouldn't mind a Petit Diadema actually Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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