Smallclub Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 I'm sure that you must have meant that you disagree. I can't imagine you being arrogant enough to categorically state that your word is gospel. 1/ can someone tell me at what time of recent history the proposal "you're wrong" has become an insult? Because when I learnt english, it wasn't the case and people didn't usually get on their high horse when they were told these words… 2/ Yes, France really needed a brand awareness boost for QdO: it happend in 2005, the marca was officialy re-launched, with a big event in Paris, by its distributor in France, Altadis. 3/ as Stevieboy wrote, Of course HSA are driven by sales. Any business that isn't will fail. By increasing the awareness, they will increase sales. You are trying to prove a fact that everyone is aware… you are blaming HSA for their creative marketing, shouting they do it for the money, this is <<insert adjective that can not be taken as an insult>> 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zigatoh Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 I do find it funny everyone banging on about what bastards hsa (a business) are for trying to make more money if I had x worth y, and by sticking anither band on x people would buy it for twice as much, could you really blame me for buying up the world's supply of bands and going to town?? Plus, I love an re me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zigatoh Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 Oh and to the original question, the one I had was awesome and a great botl friend of mine enjoyed the one he had but thought they were a bit young, which for a Pl isn't surprising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotusguy Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 These "others" are scammers, and pretty well known as such in Europe. If you purchase from them I would bet you have some fakes in your stash… Could you PM me more info? At least on the German forum that I participate in they do not have a reputation for being scammers. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwsaw63 Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Who cares about HSA's motivations as long as they give decent cigars at "relatively decent" prices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poisonowns Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 I hope this cigar is good for the people of Spain. It regardless of a company's agenda hopefully they get a good smoke out of the deal. Part of why I like smoking is because for that period of time its like time almost stops. If they get some of that out of a cigar, and the collectors get their boxes, and they're good sticks I see it as a win all around. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 On a related topic, I spoke with a cigar retailer in Jerez a few days ago. He is, as far as I have been able to find, the only decent cigar retailer in the city. That is, the only one with anything more than a cabinet with a few Monte 4s and Quinteros. This guy has a fairly well stocked shop, in a town well known to tourists, has a decent cafe culture and of course, Sherry. I asked him if he could hold a box or two of the Secretos for me until July when I can get there again. He told me he'd love to but he's not sure if he'll still be in business then. Cigar sales are down 70% in the last few years and he doesn't know if he'll still be in business by July. It's sad, he's a lovely guy and he loves cigars, but it might help explain why Altadis put out a €3.85 regional this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainQuintero Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 That's sad to hear Andy, God knows what will happen is that 17% rise in Germany comes into force across the EU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sblevit Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 A couple boxes of these arrived today and I could not resist. So I immediately opened a box and fired one up. First of all, these are very young. They are still wet and very soft. I will have to put a couple in my desktop and dry them out and try again in a couple weeks. Definitely a PL. But not crazy in your face PL flavors. I had to pay attention a bit. More on the stronger side of the PLs that I have had. But that is probably due to their youth. Because these are so small, I imagine that they will mature quickly. I would not rush out and buy more of these now, especially since they made 8000 boxes and they will be around a long time. I will wait and see what happens over the next few months. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnhenry Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 I like the fact that there are new sizes in some of my favorite brands,what I HATE is that they discontinue cigars such as punch ss#2 and the husc. I have not tried all of the le and re that have come out but to axe most of the coronas and corona extra lines to have these limited lines as a consumer sucks. My .o2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnhenry Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 If they would do short runs of some of the discontinued lines for a couple extra bucks I would be all over that! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMQQKIN Posted February 2, 2014 Author Share Posted February 2, 2014 A couple boxes of these arrived today and I could not resist. So I immediately opened a box and fired one up. First of all, these are very young. They are still wet and very soft. I will have to put a couple in my desktop and dry them out and try again in a couple weeks. Definitely a PL. But not crazy in your face PL flavors. I had to pay attention a bit. More on the stronger side of the PLs that I have had. But that is probably due to their youth. Because these are so small, I imagine that they will mature quickly. I would not rush out and buy more of these now, especially since they made 8000 boxes and they will be around a long time. I will wait and see what happens over the next few months. Thanks for the feedback on the cigar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallclub Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 They are still wet and very soft. I'm afraid they're very soft because they're slightly underfilled, not because they're wet… My "source" has checked a number of boxes, and it seems like most of the cigars are a bit too light in weight for their size… grrr, I hate underfilled cigars… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shlomo Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 I'm afraid they're very soft because they're slightly underfilled, not because they're wet… My "source" has checked a number of boxes, and it seems like most of the cigars are a bit too light in weight for their size… grrr, I hate underfilled cigars… odd you say this as recently i commented on how every cohiba secretos i haveever smoked has felt light and underfilled and i hoped theywould pack it better in this release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troels Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 Underfilled seem to be the new plugged Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainQuintero Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 HSA has stopped deleting cigars but they still want to save up their tobacco, easy answer is to just put less in their cigars! Under-filled would be easy to stop, weigh the tobacco when it is given to a roller then weigh the finished cigars and scraps when they are done, might put an end to keeping a few leaves for own use? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zigatoh Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 Only had one but it was perfectly rolled and filled, for me anyway. Will check the rest of the box and update... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zigatoh Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 Just smoking another and have to admit it is somewhat underfilled, the draw isn't terrible as it is more full under the band but it's not far off a wind tunnel sadly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallclub Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 I've heard that these are selling like hot cakes in Spain… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shlomo Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 I've heard that these are selling like hot cakes in Spain… where? in moldo-valachia (sp?).. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallclub Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 where? in moldo-valachia (sp?).. LOL LOL. In Madrid and Barcelone. It seems that Altadis have asked these two big cities to slow down the orders (they probably want to keep a decent amount of boxes for the touristic coast and the south - just a guess) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melies Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 Just ordered my first box, please people you have to stop making this threads for the sake of my children's inheritance I don't have will power! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuma Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 Someone asked how Spain can sell cigars on line. They can't by law same for promoting tabac (store window). The only way a Spanish store can sell on line is if they are outside the boundries of Spain this goes for the maritime boundry also. Spain will be fine they always find a way, so what if they keep two sets of accounting ledgers one for the tax man and one for the shop. I think the real issue is France they are the next pin to fall. Big trouble in the land of wine and gardens. I give them I or 2 years at best before they end up like the rest of the southern countries in the Euro zone. Bad mooning arising! For those who can travel see France now because in a couple of years you won't recognize the place. They will all be speaking English (Gov. Mandate) being taught in lower grade schools and a push for it at the univ. levels to bad I love diversity in life from countries to people to food, cars, laug., etc, etc, etc.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallclub Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 I think the real issue is France they are the next pin to fall. Big trouble in the land of wine and gardens. I give them I or 2 years at best before they end up like the rest of the southern countries in the Euro zone. Bad mooning arising! For those who can travel see France now because in a couple of years you won't recognize the place. They will all be speaking English (Gov. Mandate) being taught in lower grade schools and a push for it at the univ. levels to bad I love diversity in life from countries to people to food, cars, laug., etc, etc, etc.... Saturday night's drunkenness? What a pile of BS… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotusguy Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 Someone asked how Spain can sell cigars on line. They can't by law same for promoting tabac (store window). The only way a Spanishstore can sell on line is if they are outside the boundries of Spain this goes for the maritime boundry also. Spain will be fine they always find a way, so what if they keep two sets of accounting ledgers one for the tax man and one for the shop. I think the real issue is France they are the next pin to fall. Big trouble in the land of wine and gardens. I give them I or 2 years at best before they end up like the rest of the southern countries in the Euro zone. Bad mooning arising! For those who can travel see France now because in a couple of years you won't recognize the place. They will all be speaking English (Gov. Mandate) being taught in lower grade schools and a push for it at the univ. levels to bad I love diversity in life from countries to people to food, cars, laug., etc, etc, etc.... What the heck does that have to do with this RE? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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