Guest RobinFadal Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 Ditto for me. +1 on the rumor to cut the entire Trinidad line. I think that's a burning question for many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
in0gravity Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 You don't seriously expect an answer to this, do you? You could as well ask the cuban secret service what's on their agenda for 2012… Why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mm12 Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 I don't know why everybody thinks that the Trinidad brand will be discontinued. From what I heard from the German distributor there will be two new robusto-like sizes coming out in the next two years. Clearly, their plans are to replace the Robusto T with the Short Robusto T, and the Robusto Extra with the Extra Short Robusto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexAg Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 How about the next RyJ vitola name. I'm thinking something along the lines of "Thinner Not-as-long-as-the-others Churchill". :rotfl: But in all seriousness, +1 on the status on the new Trinidad vitolas mentioned earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dbone Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 I'd like to hear how the quality of tobacco coming out of the field today compares to years past. Boy the cigars rolled in '06 / '07 I've found difficult to beat (speaking in general). And Any plans (specifics are not needed but welcomed) to expand on Local and Niche brands? The focus seems to be solely in the Global brands. Thank you my friend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mk05 Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 Lol most of these questions are NDA material Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
in0gravity Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 Clearly, their plans are to replace the Robusto T with the Short Robusto T, and the Robusto Extra with the Extra Short Robusto. Not really, it will be a robusto like size. Maybe an Edmundo with a pigtail or maybe the BHK 52 format . Who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scdalak Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 Thats a good question if we get a truthful answer. There is no way they would say anything but "of course we are ready"... Truthful answer?? We have a better chance of them giving us the REAL 2011 Sales Figures!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PigFish Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 Anyone know how to say, "Are you effin' clueless," in Spanish? Anyone? -the Pig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mk05 Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 Among many questions I do have that they will never disclose, I'd love to hear about the progress of the new cultivation sites. http://www.friendsofhabanos.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=102510&st=0&p=179278&hl=+growing%20+region&fromsearch=1entry179278 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.T Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 Please expand the RA line up to include a corona gorda and belicoso! We've seen enough RE/LEs of these!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan5974 Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 Anyone know how to say, "Are you effin' clueless," in Spanish? Anyone? -the Pig Exactly what I was thinking!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hohenthal Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 I came across a box of Cohiba Sublimes at a highly reputable cigar merchant in Europe,it had the letters and the year 2004,but also it had the following :Revisido 2007 is this Legetimate Box. Thank You. Some cigar boxes, after sitting on the shelf for a few years are actually sent back to Cuba to undergo quality control again. After inspection , if they decide it is not a faulty box whatsoever, those are stamped "revisado". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsanz Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 ETA on my beloved RASCC, please. Jason A big ditto from me too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hash Posted March 26, 2012 Share Posted March 26, 2012 Some cigar boxes, after sitting on the shelf for a few years are actually sent back to Cuba to undergo quality control again. After inspection , if they decide it is not a faulty box whatsoever, those are stamped "revisado". Thank you for the clarification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omskakas Posted March 26, 2012 Share Posted March 26, 2012 Ask them: -Do you know (or care about) that by aiming to short term profit (by discontinuing old cigars and replacing them with new, more expensive cigars that we don't even want) you are alienating long term customers that spend thousands of $$$ on your cigars per year? -I wish there were a forum where you could interact with HSA people and ask them questions like this and get straight answers from your reprecentatives. Do you have any plans for more PR-work like this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hohenthal Posted March 26, 2012 Share Posted March 26, 2012 Thank you for the clarification. Enjoy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mm12 Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 Whatever method you use to glue on secondary bands (Regional Release, EL, LCDH), can you PLEASE start doing that with the regular bands? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajgagnon Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 Anyone know how to say, "Are you effin' clueless," in Spanish? Anyone? -the Pig ?Estas chingado serioso? Or something like that... I'm with you guys on the subject of the Serie du Connaisseur though... I have never had the opportunity to try them, but after a brief stint being interested in fat cigars, most of them seem like too much and awkward to smoke. I'd love to try some more of the classics, and a regular production long corona (Dalia, Cervante, Lonsdale, etc) in a flavour/quality profile of Partagas would just do it. How many are left in this range, anyway? The only ones I can think of are 'niche' cigars... R&J Cazadores (sounds too strong for everyday), HDM Des Dieux (very sweet), Boli Medaille D'or (if they're still alive), Cohiba Lancero (pricey but awesome), Trini Fundador (great, but also at a premium), etc. Here's an idea: how about asking HSA to get each brand to release one cigar of a certain vitola or range (say, Cervantes or Dalias)? Then there would be a great comparison of flavour profiles at a mid-range price and size point... they would sell like mad! Think of the split boxes (or case lots) from Czars! Can you imagine HDM, Partagas, Quai D'Orsay, ERDM, Robaina, Punch, Bolivar, PL, and even some others like Raphael Gonzales and San Cristobal in that range? Ten each of ten types... mmmm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colt45 Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 I'd love to try some more of the classics, and a regular production long corona (Dalia, Cervante, Lonsdale, etc) in a flavour/quality profile of Partagas would just do it. The Partagas 898V (dalia) is still in production - give them a try Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallclub Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 Here's an idea: how about asking HSA to get each brand to release one cigar of a certain vitola or range (say, Cervantes or Dalias)? Then there would be a great comparison of flavour profiles at a mid-range price and size point... they would sell like mad! They would sell like mad???? They have been discontinued precisely because they didn't sell! A few years ago, each cuban marca had a lonsdale (cervantes/dalia/cazadore) or at least a corona grande (Hoyo, Punch) in its range… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainQuintero Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 Can't really blame HSA for deleting items that don't sell and replacing them with items that fly like hot cakes. BHK, LEs, Grand Reserva etc are making HSA buckets of cash. Bashing them for being a communist company/regime and then asking them to make products that don't sell because you liked them as opposed making products that make them a lot of money (Essentially asking them to ignore market forces and subsidise their cigar catalogue with low yield products) is kind of silly as you're bashing them for not being capitalist then bashing them for taking a capitalist approach to their business. I don't think they would answer these type of questions anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khomeinist Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 Actually that isn't the issue for some of us. The problem is that some of the best cigars in the inventory line were eliminated and replaced with 'bling' items that fail to impress a sophisticated consumer. If the smoke and mirrors routine proves to be a sustainable model for decades to come, then more power to HSA. It still won't excuse the loss of the delicado vitola, just to give one example. Scale back production rather than eliminate outright and this isn't an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PigFish Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 Hell with H SA! What do you know about cigars. Here we go round the mulberry bush... again. Now I am not going to fault anyone for the type of cigar he/she likes, but what if they cancelled your favorite cigar? Still have the same opinion? I will again argue the concept of "free market" and comparing it to the H SA model. I don't begrudge them for selling what they have for the best price possible, but what they are doing is not forging some gut buster profit model. They appear to be making less cigars and less money every year. Just how many cigars less are they making today as opposed to 5 years ago? How many of their jobs are they sending off the island to other cigar makers because they can't run a capitalist model. How far are you going to get in business promoting party members instead of industry leaders? These guys don't run a capitalist model because they price gouge. A capitalist model works in a competitive environment where consumers get what they want at reasonable prices because of competition... not a monopoly! How much tobacco supply do they have on shelves these days? The fact is mates, that the ex-pats are changing the landscape of the cigar industry because their tobacco is not as good. Since the Tabacuba crowd (et al) that are actually running H SA have no understanding on how to run a company outside of a monopoly, they are following this ex-pat model, instead of leading the industry. If they don't change their model... from telling you what you will like to selling you what you want, and producing them in logical quantities, they are going to go out of business! They must come to grips with the fact that they need more people smoking cigars, NOT LESS, YOU DAMN FOOLS (yelling at H SA not you guys). They need more entry level cigars that are good cigars. They have to come to grips with the fact that some people will recognize that their cigars have no correlation between cost and taste and will buy the less expensive cigars instead. This is what seasoned smokers have done for years. This is what they will always do!!! They want to smoke more and better cigars and pay less for them! Tell me please gentlemen... does this describe you? Do you want to smoke more often? Do you want to get a great cigar every time? Would you like to buy more cigars for less money so that you can share them with friends and smoke more often? Are you really different than me then? Their model of the cigar as a luxury item does not work financially. This only works when there are some limits, or rarity in the luxury commodity that is being sold. Tobacco is a weed! Get it you guys!!! A weed! Yes it is processed and farmed and harvested... and worth less than a good avocado in a sushi joint!!! There is similar time effort and expense in grass that I feed my horses, processed, bagged and converted to pellets. Here is a little test for those of you who constantly parrot the company line, "Those cigars did not sell." Bwana has a box of Partagas Coronas in my locker. You know, the ones that did not sell that you can't buy anymore. Yeah those that you would give a kid on new-year so that he can light his firecrackers with it because no one wants them. Anyone want to make me an offer on that box? Post it here and we can send it to H SA!!! This is how you determine what sells or not. Not a bunch of company propaganda! If no one bought them, you could still buy them!!! Cheers. -Piggy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PigFish Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 Actually that isn't the issue for some of us. The problem is that some of the best cigars in the inventory line were eliminated and replaced with 'bling' items that fail to impress a sophisticated consumer. If the smoke and mirrors routine proves to be a sustainable model for decades to come, then more power to HSA. It still won't excuse the loss of the delicado vitola, just to give one example. Scale back production rather than eliminate outright and this isn't an issue. By the way Kommie, I think this is a damn good answer! -Piggy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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