El Presidente Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 I love getting this sort of e-mail in the mail so i am going pass it onto you guys for analysis. As a rule I don't deal with ****tards who don't refer to me by name or are too afraid to give me theirs. Have a read. 1. what exactly makes them experts? 2. have i misread something....or do they actually say they don't guarantee anything? 3. What do they get out of it? 4. Who are the people behind it. For the CSI guys at FOH.......Sic. ________________________________________________________________________________ _______________________ From: Gordon M | Authentic Cuban Cigars [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2009 3:01 AM To: Lisa Subject: Information from AuthenticCubanCigars Society Dear store owner, I'm the founder of Authentic Cuban Cigars Society. Our vision is to make it easier for Habanos smokers to find online stores selling authentic Habanos - your customers. As part of this vision we have reviewed over 100 large online stores, claiming to sell authentic Habanos. We clarify and classify the stores based on what kind of information they display. We have recently launched this site at www.authenticcubancigars.org. At this point only Habanos S.A. and the official distributors have been informed and we have recieved good response from them. Before we promote the site on the Internet, we'd like you to check if the information we have on your site is correct. If we misunderstood anything while reviewing your site or if you would like to complement the data we're using to classify your store, please get back to us and we'll adjust the information immediately. You'll find information about the criterias and the classification as well as the stores at www.authenticcubancigars.org/reviewed_stores.html. Of course, if you have any questions or feedback for us, you are always welcome to contact us at [email protected] or through the forms on our contact pages. Note: We never claim to know the truth and never guarantee that an online store listed on our site is selling either authentic or counterfeit Habanos cigars. Our site only gathers and displays what we think is vital information from these sites. We never suspect or claim that any of the stores sell counterfeits. Our vision is only to influence stores to display information that make their customers feel safe, while shopping for Habanos. Hope you understand and supports our vision. Thank you for your time! -- Best regards Gordon M. www.authenticcubancigars.org Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padrino Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 Would this site not be counter productive when it comes to our North American friends ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Presidente Posted September 15, 2009 Author Share Posted September 15, 2009 Would this site not be counter productive when it comes to our North American friends ? I have no idea. Let's find out how "Big" this ACCS is. Who Gordon M is. is M his real last name? have a look at their site...how many errors have they made, the flaws to the proposed system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laficion Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 I have no idea. Let's find out how "Big" this ACCS is. Who Gordon M is. is M his real last name? have a look at their site...how many errors have they made, the flaws to the proposed system. Frist, who & what are they protecting you from if they say that they don't know who is selling fakes or real Habanos, plus, no one needs them to find online stores, SO ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dochowl Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 Next comes the request for 6 - 8 boxes of cigars (for free), including those most frequently counterfeited (Cohiba Esplendido, Monte 2, etc.) so that they can ensure that the cigars you are selling are in fact real. (at least that's how I would do it if I were a shyster. Hey, if they get 3 companies to bite, it provides them a nice little stock of cigars for the winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colt45 Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 Sounds like it's on the up and up to me - send them along all your personal details. (not your zodiac sign) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Presidente Posted September 16, 2009 Author Share Posted September 16, 2009 Sounds like it's on the up and up to me - send them along all your personal details.(not your zodiac sign) I will protect myself by signing it off Robert A A for Aquarius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aficionado Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 In itself an interesting initiative. In my opinion, should take care of Habanos SA After my last experience. Should be added one more criterion, quality of service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habanos2000 Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 the only purpose I can imagine is that they want to be a 'go to' place for the novice internet buyer that isn't familiar with whom or where to go to for Habanos. To that end I would imagine that they would get royalties from the web site for every redirection from their web site to the retailer's site. Seems interesting, but I'm not sure how much money can be made by one web site to redirect people? h2k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yossie Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 What now I want to know is trustable Padron seller. That's all XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesuscookies Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 Okay, I'll bite. What a crock of dog ****! They send you an email stating "Note: We never claim to know the truth and never guarantee that an online store listed on our site is selling either authentic or counterfeit Habanos cigars." And yet the site panders to the idea that you are getting an authentic cuban cigar if it is on 1 of their "certified" lists. Blow me! These types of business' really chap my ass. Don't be suprised if that thing is actually successful, and you find cigar shops being strong armed into signing on for fear they will be "classifed" as fakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asmith Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 There appear about as honest as Czars!! I signed us up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jquest63 Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 Wonder what the distributers think about this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandman Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 Be careful, there are certified fake sites listed, but also a ton of legit sites. What a joke, the point is legit sites! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OZCUBAN Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 Not sure about this one ,in essence it shoulkd be a useful tool depending on the accuracy of their info. I also noticed no body made the top rated section There are also stores i have bought from in the past and have had no problems,that are in the somewhat dodgy section I think as in most cases it is customer beware,but if it is legitimate it would be a good tool to weed out unscrupulous online ventures,not that we have to worry about that here Cheers Oz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OZCUBAN Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 At least CZARS made the cut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck1rar Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 The funniest thing about this is that the company itself uses enom to hide the registrant name for the domain... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Presidente Posted September 16, 2009 Author Share Posted September 16, 2009 At least CZARS made the cut We won't for long after they read this post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OZCUBAN Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 We won't for long after they read this post "THEY" Interesting concept The online cigar police Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigger Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 Seems like a positive effort. If they're looking for advertisers or samples in the future, I'd tell them to get stuffed though, Looks like I'll have to stop buying from my favorite merchant in Costa Rica. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phxkev Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 The funniest thing about this is that the company itself uses enom to hide the registrant name for the domain... They are trying to stay anonymous..... Domain ID:D156226365-LROR Domain Name:AUTHENTICCUBANCIGARS.ORG Created On:25-May-2009 07:17:32 UTC Last Updated On:11-Aug-2009 08:48:31 UTC Expiration Date:25-May-2012 07:17:32 UTC Sponsoring Registrar:eNom, Inc. (R39-LROR) Status:TRANSFER PROHIBITED Registrant ID:8d21c768ea20770e Registrant Name:WhoisGuard Protected Registrant Organization:WhoisGuard Registrant Street1:8939 S. Sepulveda Blvd. #110 - 732 Registrant Street2: Registrant Street3: Registrant City:Westchester Registrant State/Province:CA Registrant Postal Code:90045 Registrant Country:US Registrant Phone:+1.6613102107 Registrant Phone Ext.: Registrant FAX:+1.6613102107 Registrant FAX Ext.: Registrant Email:[email protected] Admin ID:8d21c768ea20770e Admin Name:WhoisGuard Protected Admin Organization:WhoisGuard Admin Street1:8939 S. Sepulveda Blvd. #110 - 732 Admin Street2: Admin Street3: Admin City:Westchester Admin State/Province:CA Admin Postal Code:90045 Admin Country:US Admin Phone:+1.6613102107 Admin Phone Ext.: Admin FAX:+1.6613102107 Admin FAX Ext.: Admin Email:[email protected] Tech ID:8d21c768ea20770e Tech Name:WhoisGuard Protected Tech Organization:WhoisGuard Tech Street1:8939 S. Sepulveda Blvd. #110 - 732 Tech Street2: Tech Street3: Tech City:Westchester Tech State/Province:CA Tech Postal Code:90045 Tech Country:US Tech Phone:+1.6613102107 Tech Phone Ext.: Tech FAX:+1.6613102107 Tech FAX Ext.: Tech Email:[email protected] Name Server:NS1.NAMECHEAPHOSTING.COM Name Server:NS101.NAMECHEAPHOSTING.COM Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: The previous information has been obtained either directly from the registrant or a registrar of the domain name other than Network Solutions. Network Solutions, therefore, does not guarantee its accuracy or completeness. Show underlying registry data for this record IP Address: 208.116.62.218 (ARIN & RIPE IP search) IP Location: US(UNITED STATES)-NEW YORK-NEW YORK DMOZ no listings Y! Directory: see listings Data as of: 23-Apr-2008 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dicko Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 I am (10)0% sure this is bs... Benjamin D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PigFish Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 These guys are ******* clueless! I mean who died and left some chumps in Los Angeles in charge? I ask you? Who is going to guarantee what products another guy sells? The whole concept is stupid! I have contacted distributors before about retailers and they won't give you the time of day. I can't wait to see how many distributors play ball with these guys; I doubt any will. Furthermore these guys have totally ignored the parallel import market as if those cigars were somehow illegitimate products. And marking the lesser expensive sites as higher risk... kindergarten ****! Next they will be taking advertising and blowing the whole arms distance credibility aspect out the ******* window. Horse piss! Looks like a shakedown to me. -The Pig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Presidente Posted September 16, 2009 Author Share Posted September 16, 2009 if I have to take a punt i would put a Tony Soprano "Lite" spiv behind it. Come into a market with no history, no name, no credibility and no idea. Say you are going to clean it up and be the new standard. Actually expect guys who are doing the right thing to play ball knowing full well there is a payday somewhere for this mob? The first to sign up will be the fake purveyors. What a blessed opportunity for a stamp of approval. It is like having a gold medal on a bottle of wine .....except this gold Medal would be the Angolan Wine Show. The second to sign up will be those afraid of missing out. I look forward to seeing who hold strong and treat this with the contempt it deserves and those who cave like subservient dogs. Not that I don't have an open mind. Where is my middle finger raised Smilie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sloth Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 Gordon M.. Mott? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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