Popular Post El Presidente Posted July 12, 2022 Popular Post Posted July 12, 2022 Good Read. I found this for you Bijan https://www.comsol.com/blogs/sometimes-cigar-just-cigar/#:~:text=Chemical Processes in a Burning,combustion zone%2C where pyrolysis occurs. COMSOL Blog Sometimes a Cigar Is More Than Just a Cigar by Ed Fontes September 10, 2014 As a chemical engineer, I can’t just smoke a cigar and leave it at that. Here, I investigate the anatomy, structure, and chemical process zones of a cigar and show you a simple model of the temperature distribution of the smoke in a cigar as well as the concentration of oxygen. A Cigar’s Anatomy, Structure, and Process Zones Anybody who smokes a cigar every now and then recognizes the feeling of sharpness and alertness from the first few puffs, enhanced later by the calm and tranquility supplied by the following ones. Health issues aside, smoking a cigar can, in my opinion, sometimes be the best way to achieve serenity and contemplation. In those moments of maximum alertness, I usually check that I get a straight burn line. Sometimes, this makes me think about combustion and the transport and reactions in the cigar. When calmness sets in, I usually admire the pattern of the smoke and, then, sometimes reflect about its fluid mechanics. The schematic below shows the cigar’s anatomy with the head, body, foot, and cap; its structure with the filler, binder, and wrapper leaf; and the zones for the different processes that take place in the cigar during smoking, such as the combustion, pyrolysis, and condensation zones (references in the “Further Reading” section). The anatomy, structure, and different process zones in a cigar. The core of the cigar is the filler, and the binder helps to keep the structure of the cigar, while the wrapper leaf envelops it. The cap is cut off before smoking. A thin straight burn line is desired. After ignition, when the cigar has reached a pseudo-steady state, a combustion zone forms. A pyrolysis zone forms just behind the combustion zone. Chemical Processes in a Burning Cigar Oxygen that is transported to the combustion zone, through convection and diffusion during a puff and through diffusion between puffs, is consumed in the combustion process. Therefore, only oxygen-depleted gases reach the zone behind the combustion zone, where pyrolysis occurs. In this zone, thermal decomposition of the organic compounds in the tobacco leaves takes place in the absence of oxygen. Some of the products of pyrolysis vaporize, while others remain to be further oxidized later in what is going to become the combustion zone, as the combustion and ash zones move toward the head of the cigar. This means that distillation also occurs in the pyrolysis zone. During a puff, vaporized products from the pyrolysis zone follow the smoke towards the head of the cigar. As the smoke travels to the head, it is cooled and filtered by the cool tobacco. Condensation of some of the compounds in the smoke is triggered by the decreased temperature, forming an aerosol. The small droplets that are formed contain the nicotine and a lot of the flavors of the mainstream smoke. Some dilution of the smoke occurs due to air leaking through the wrapper as well as some leakage of carbon monoxide out of the cigar. However, both of these processes are very slow, since the wrapper leaf is not very permeable to gas. Also, note that the porosity is different for the filler tobacco, binder, and wrapper leaf. The porosity determines the shape of the combustion and pyrolysis zones. What Affects the Cigar’s Shape The shape of the combustion zone further determines the shape that the cigar takes on as you smoke it. During a puff, the combustion process close to the wrapper of the cigar is accelerated due to the high transport of oxygen around the edges. Between puffs, the edges are better cooled by the ambient air, the temperature distribution becomes more uniform, and the distribution of combustion to the middle of the cigar makes the combustion zone more uniform. If the cigar is smoked too quickly, you’ll end up with coning, where the edges of the cigar are consumed faster than the middle. On the other hand, if the cigar is smoked too slowly, then tunneling occurs. Why? Because the middle of the cigar burns quicker between puffs due to the ambient air cooling the edges better. Imperfections in the ignition and structure of the cigar may also cause other effects of nonuniform combustion, such as canoeing and runners (read more on burn issues here.) Personally, I think that tunneling is the worst problem, since it seems to lower the temperature, producing less and poorer quality smoke. Cigar Simulation Below are the results from a simulation of a relatively simple model of a cigar during a puff and between puffs. The model describes the combustion and formation of carbon, in addition to the pyrolysis of tobacco. We also included the transport of oxygen, smoke, and nitrogen in the model. Of course, in reality, the process is much more complex from a chemical engineering perspective, but the model provides a nice and simple view of the temperature distribution in the smoke and oxygen concentration. Temperature distribution of the smoke in a cigar (top) and concentration of oxygen (bottom). The oxygen concentration dramatically decreases in the combustion zone during a puff. Leakage through the wrapper contributes only to a small extent. The combustion of carbon is a classic example of a shrinking core problem in reactions engineering. Do Not Inhale Cigar Smoke When the constituents of cigar smoke dissolve in the mouth, the saliva becomes alkaline. In contrast, cigarette smoke makes saliva acidic. At low pH, nicotine is protonated and is, therefore, neutral in charge. On the otherhand, at high pH, nicotine loses the proton and becomes negatively charged. The negatively charged ion of nicotine is able to pass through the membranes in the mouth much easier than the neutral form, which is repelled. For this reason, cigar smoke does not need to and should not be inhaled; nicotine is absorbed and transported into the blood just by the uptake in the mouth. As mentioned earlier, once the first dose of nicotine has done its work by accelerating and stimulating thought, then the increased levels of nicotine replace the initial activation with serenity. This chain of events is referred to as Nesbitt’s paradox, after the scientist who first put his finger on it. More Than Just a Cigar In case you didn’t pick up on it, the title of this blog post is a play on the quote (or misquote, to be exact) “sometimes a cigar is just a cigar”. The original quote refers to Sigmund Freud’s answer to the insinuation that his constant cigar smoking had phallic symbolic meaning, as implied by Freud’s own theory (if you’re unfamiliar with the theory, read more here and here.) 8 3
Popular Post Nevrknow Posted July 12, 2022 Popular Post Posted July 12, 2022 Nope. Not reading. Scrolled to the bottom after the first few lines. Not taking away my joy! 😂 Its like sausage, don’t tell me what it’s made of just give me some! 😁 1 1 4
Fuzz Posted July 12, 2022 Posted July 12, 2022 I've always thought about setting up a cigar with my thermocouple and measure the temps inside the cigar with ash on and ash off. See if ash really does have an effect on the cherry. Then I think, why the hell am I wasting a $50 cigar?! 4
Hoepssa Posted July 13, 2022 Posted July 13, 2022 Thank God both Padron & Fuente family have much more devotion producing cigars than doing studies (cigars). Author spent too much boring time in biosafety studios somewhere, and he felt that too. 1
MrBirdman Posted July 13, 2022 Posted July 13, 2022 This is interesting! While it’s unclear exactly how, the mechanism and reactions described above probably explain in part how narrower ring gauges can tend to create heightened intensity. My best guess would be that the higher combustion temperature of narrower gauges increase the rate of pyrolysis behind the cherry. Sheer conjecture though, and of course blends differences are going to be the biggest factor anyway. 4
sageman Posted July 16, 2022 Posted July 16, 2022 My takeaway is not smoking to the nub, never have either way, but this tells me it's just the filter by the end 2
karp Posted July 16, 2022 Posted July 16, 2022 Great read - thanks for sharing. Never thought about the effect of the cooler air on the cherry contributing to tunnelling or cones. On 7/12/2022 at 10:08 PM, MrBirdman said: This is interesting! While it’s unclear exactly how, the mechanism and reactions described above probably explain in part how narrower ring gauges can tend to create heightened intensity. Maybe also has to do with the ratio of surface area to cherry? Long thin gauges have more surface and get more of the flavours from the sides? Just a guess..
MrBirdman Posted July 16, 2022 Posted July 16, 2022 51 minutes ago, karp said: Maybe also has to do with the ratio of surface area to cherry? Long thin gauges have more surface and get more of the flavours from the sides? Just a guess.. It’s possible. One other thought I just had was that the above article could also help to explain a phenomenon described by @Cigar Surgeon (at least in NC) wherein simply switching the binder leaf for the wrapper in exactly the same cigar produces dramatic differences in flavor. The higher O2 levels surrounding the wrapper may change the volatile profile delivered to the palate through partial oxidation, since the article says there is a limited amount of permeability through the wrapper. Curious to hear what John thinks of that as a possible explanation. 1
karp Posted July 16, 2022 Posted July 16, 2022 22 minutes ago, MrBirdman said: The higher O2 levels surrounding the wrapper may change the volatile profile delivered to the palate through partial oxidation Sure - I guess more O2 penetrating one wrapper would change the taste. I think it might also explain why wrappers make a difference - air coming through the wrapper adds to the overall flavour. It’s not just the burning end..
RDB Posted July 16, 2022 Posted July 16, 2022 Very interesting. It seems he’s making a lot of assumptions in the model, but I love a fancy data visualisation. The description of pyrolisis, and the explanation of tunneling vs coning were both great. Love me some nerdery.
Cigar Surgeon Posted July 16, 2022 Posted July 16, 2022 4 hours ago, MrBirdman said: It’s possible. One other thought I just had was that the above article could also help to explain a phenomenon described by @Cigar Surgeon (at least in NC) wherein simply switching the binder leaf for the wrapper in exactly the same cigar produces dramatic differences in flavor. The higher O2 levels surrounding the wrapper may change the volatile profile delivered to the palate through partial oxidation, since the article says there is a limited amount of permeability through the wrapper. Curious to hear what John thinks of that as a possible explanation. I have a new possibility based on some time spent with Luciano Meirelles at the PCA. It might have to do with the pH balance of the tobacco. Apparently one of the things you can do with the wrapper is adjust pH which will either mute or enhance the flavor from the other tobaccos. So just changing the position of the tobacco does make a measurable difference. We went through a few tobacco exercises and it was intriguing. 3
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