Connossieur A vs 2

[atzemis]

Anyone smoke enough of both of these guys to compare them? Curious to see thoughts on how the profiles compare given how similar they are in size. I've searched around a good bit and haven't found many opinions at all on the 2. Cheers.

[NSXCIGAR]

I would take the A almost every time, however I've only had less than 10 sticks of the 2 and that was around May/June of this year which were early batches, so perhaps they're a tad different.

The 2, while good and high quality really lacked character. It was like generic Connie profile. The A has it's own thing going, as does the B and the 1. 

Personally, I prefer the 1 over all of them.

[Edicion]

  On 11/23/2021 at 4:46 AM, NSXCIGAR said:

I would take the A almost every time, however I've only had less than 10 sticks of the 2 and that was around May/June of this year which were early batches, so perhaps they're a tad different.

The 2, while good and high quality really lacked character. It was like generic Connie profile. The A has it's own thing going, as does the B and the 1. 

Personally, I prefer the 1 over all of them.

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This. 

Haven't tried the 1 yet but 2 vs A vs B is spot on

[Meesterjojo]

I've had the 1, but I love the A just a bit more. I love everything upmann, it seems. Never Had the 2, to be fair.

Think I'll grab an A next.

[NSXCIGAR]

  On 11/23/2021 at 5:12 AM, Edicion said:

Haven't tried the 1 yet

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I don't even know how that's possible.

[Edicion]

  On 11/23/2021 at 6:05 AM, NSXCIGAR said:

I don't even know how that's possible.

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Need to fix that @NSXCIGAR given I am sucker for the Upmann DNA in the Mag 46, Connie A, B, Royal Robusto, Connie 2, and Sir Winston of course. 

I can enjoy a Upmann #2 and Mag 50 (maybe even the Mag 54) but to me they are further away from the above and I suspect closer to a SLR (DC) which is a different profile to what I normally search for.

 

[NSXCIGAR]

  On 11/23/2021 at 6:24 AM, Edicion said:

Need to fix that @NSXCIGAR given I am sucker for the Upmann DNA in the Mag 46, Connie A, B, Royal Robusto, Connie 2, and Sir Winston of course. 

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Yes, this must be rectified immediately. 

It's just such a staple it's hard to avoid like Monte 4, PSD4 and the Epicures if you've been in CCs for any period. 

I probably smoke more Connie 1 than anything else. I don't know if I have a favorite cigar but the Connie 1 is about as close as any could be. Affordable, reliable and I never get bored or tired with it. I would say without hesitation I think it's the second-best HU behind the SW. 

It's got a bit more attitude than the A. Yes, the A is "classier" but sometimes class is a little overrated. Like the La Fuerza is "classier" than the El Principe, but I just love the El Principe. Or the RGPC vs. the Perlas. 

[Edicion]

  On 11/23/2021 at 7:46 AM, NSXCIGAR said:

Yes, this must be rectified immediately. 

It's just such a staple it's hard to avoid like Monte 4, PSD4 and the Epicures if you've been in CCs for any period. 

I probably smoke more Connie 1 than anything else. I don't know if I have a favorite cigar but the Connie 1 is about as close as any could be. Affordable, reliable and I never get bored or tired with it. I would say without hesitation I think it's the second-best HU behind the SW. 

It's got a bit more attitude than the A. Yes, the A is "classier" but sometimes class is a little overrated. Like the La Fuerza is "classier" than the El Principe, but I just love the El Principe. Or the RGPC vs. the Perlas. 

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I've been hanging out in the wrong crowd! Believe it or not I have never even seen one in any of the B&Ms (locally) only on 24:24 and that was this earlier this year. It's super rare to hear anyone mention it . In fact, I think the first time I heard about was here on FOH in one of your comments. After snapping up a box of Connie 2 I was hesitant about the 1. I'll hold out for a 1/4 box here and give it a go. 

[El Presidente]

I love the 2. 

Very different animal to the A.  The B is in a different level. 

The 2 brings a touch of mongrel that the A doesn't have. It is a rich bastard.  I am intrigued as to how they will age. Upmann DNA should make that a sound bet. 

Picked these boxes Friday. 

[gustavehenne]

  On 11/23/2021 at 8:49 AM, El Presidente said:

I love the 2. 

Very different animal to the A.  The B is in a different level. 

The 2 brings a touch of mongrel that the A doesn't have. It is a rich bastard.  I am intrigued as to how they will age. Upmann DNA should make that a sound bet. 

Picked these boxes Friday.

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Super interesting as I tried my first Connie A last night (got a box of Connie 2 on the way) and I must admit, I was pretty underwhelmed. I didn't get much flavour out of it and whilst it was a bit creamy and opened up more towards the end the overall smoke was below average. I'm a huge lover of the Mag 46 which hits all the spots for me and I didn't find any of that flavour at all...

But... that's why I buy boxes so I can see how the cigar develops over time, whether I've had a bad stick and hoping beyond hope it isn't a bad box. There seems to be a lot of positivity for the Connie A so I'm putting this one down to a bad stick

[havanaclub]

  On 11/23/2021 at 3:09 PM, stevenhaugen said:

Super interesting as I tried my first Connie A last night (got a box of Connie 2 on the way) and I must admit, I was pretty underwhelmed. I didn't get much flavour out of it and whilst it was a bit creamy and opened up more towards the end the overall smoke was below average. I'm a huge lover of the Mag 46 which hits all the spots for me and I didn't find any of that flavour at all...
But... that's why I buy boxes so I can see how the cigar develops over time, whether I've had a bad stick and hoping beyond hope it isn't a bad box. There seems to be a lot of positivity for the Connie A so I'm putting this one down to a bad stick

I will say the mag 46 is much different than the A. What I have noticed here and with some friends, if you like the mag 46 you will likely enjoy the No2 (pyramid) and maybe not get the A. If you like the Smooth classiness of the A you will enjoy the Mag 50, Connie 1 and B.


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[SCgarman]

  On 11/23/2021 at 4:46 AM, NSXCIGAR said:

I would take the A almost every time, however I've only had less than 10 sticks of the 2 and that was around May/June of this year which were early batches, so perhaps they're a tad different.

The 2, while good and high quality really lacked character. It was like generic Connie profile. The A has it's own thing going, as does the B and the 1. 

Personally, I prefer the 1 over all of them.

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For the bang for the buck the #1 is the obvious choice for myself. Considering the "A" and the #2 are in the  similar vitola size as the #1 but box price is $400usd+ that is a no-go. I won't spend that kind of coin on a box even though they "may" be a bit more premium than the #1. Heck, compared to the prices just a few years ago the #1 is $280/box which is complete insanity. Just glad I have a nice stockpile to not have to buy at these inflated prices. 

 

  On 11/23/2021 at 3:09 PM, stevenhaugen said:

Super interesting as I tried my first Connie A last night (got a box of Connie 2 on the way) and I must admit, I was pretty underwhelmed. I didn't get much flavour out of it and whilst it was a bit creamy and opened up more towards the end the overall smoke was below average. I'm a huge lover of the Mag 46 which hits all the spots for me and I didn't find any of that flavour at all...

But... that's why I buy boxes so I can see how the cigar develops over time, whether I've had a bad stick and hoping beyond hope it isn't a bad box. There seems to be a lot of positivity for the Connie A so I'm putting this one down to a bad stick

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You are not the only person to express disappointment with the "A". And at over $100usd/box more than the #1, hard to justify a box purchase. 

[Silverstix]

  On 11/23/2021 at 3:20 PM, NYgarman said:

Heck, compared to the prices just a few years ago the #1 is $280/box which is complete insanity. Just glad I have a nice stockpile to not have to buy at these inflated prices. 

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2 years ago I was getting a box here for $169 regularly.  So $100 more per box since 2 years ago.  That is an insane jump, but do you really think it will ever go down?  I personally don't, so I bought 2 more boxes recently just for that reason.

[Stevieboy]

I smoked my very first #2 just yesterday, bought her in Malaga and was really impressed by it. I don't get on with the A or B so expected the #2 to be a bit of a letdown but I was very pleased to find it is indeed a ball-tearer. I've already used up my 100 stick allowance (Brexshit) so I can't buy any more.....
Great cigar.... Two thumbs up from me!

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[ElJavi76]

I'll say this much... when I smoked my first A I was absolutely blown away. When I smoked my first #2 I thoroughly enjoyed it but it wasn't the same wow factor from the A.

[gustavehenne]

  On 11/23/2021 at 3:23 PM, NYgarman said:

You are not the only person to express disappointment with the "A". And at over $100usd/box more than the #1, hard to justify a box purchase. 

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Interestingly I read the article you posted a year or so ago as I was smoking the Connie A. As I was smoking it I related to you 100% and just couldn't connect with the smoke. Going to give it a few more things and try one every other month to see whether they pick up or not.

[Digi]

Ah this is a good thread!  I haven't smoked enough of each (minus the 1) to really note the differences.  For the end of this year, I planning to do a tasting and write up across the four sticks.  By then, each of the four boxes will have about 6 months down and the codes are all within a couple months of each other.  Am curious to see how they stack up together.

[NSXCIGAR]

  On 11/23/2021 at 3:09 PM, stevenhaugen said:

Super interesting as I tried my first Connie A last night (got a box of Connie 2 on the way) and I must admit, I was pretty underwhelmed

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From what I can tell the A has trended downwards in terms of richness since around 2017. The first few years of the A were spectacular 13-16 but I noticed around 17 that there was some inconsistency and I was getting some lighter sticks. I kind of went off of them for a bit (keep in mind they were ~$275/box then) and every time I've tried any since 18 they seem never to have recovered. They're still flavorful but just weak and less rich than they were in the early days. It's turning into the Mag 50.

The Connie 2 is definitely stronger and richer and is no doubt very high quality but to me it just doesn't have any complexity or depth to it. Again, the 8 or 9 sticks I've had were from early this year so perhaps they're a bit different now but I think the blend of the 1 is far superior, although I was surprised how much I liked the 51 RG Bohemios vitola.

  On 11/23/2021 at 5:01 PM, Silverstix said:

That is an insane jump, but do you really think it will ever go down?

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Death, taxes and CC prices never go down.

  On 11/23/2021 at 3:20 PM, NYgarman said:

For the bang for the buck the #1 is the obvious choice for myself.

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I would go further than bang for buck. I would put the 1 up--straight up--with any of them. The 13-16 As were a hell of a cigar and clearly superior but recently I don't think it has the 1 beat. The B is a wacky one. It's lighter and has some odd notes to it. Lots of people, including myself, are not fans, and of course it's a 54 RG. The 2, I think, lacks character. The 1 has it all--flavor, richness, character, consistency. I don't think it has anything to envy in the other Connies. 

[Enduin]

@NSXCIGAR what about aging? How does the 1 compare to the A?

[rcarlson]

Connie 2's are too much for too little.  

[NSXCIGAR]

  On 11/23/2021 at 10:28 PM, Enduin said:

@NSXCIGAR what about aging? How does the 1 compare to the A?

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Hasn't been around very long and the early ones were really good, so it might not be a good representation of it's performance long-term. 

[atzemis]

  On 11/23/2021 at 8:49 AM, El Presidente said:

I love the 2. 

Very different animal to the A.  The B is in a different level. 

The 2 brings a touch of mongrel that the A doesn't have. It is a rich bastard.  I am intrigued as to how they will age. Upmann DNA should make that a sound bet. 

Picked these boxes Friday. 

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Those look fantastic.

From what I'm hearing, it sounds like perhaps the 2 is closer to the 1 than the A. I'll look forward to reading Digi's comparison. 

[Chibearsv]

I’ve been loving the A and tried my first 2 this past weekend from a recent prize sampler and really enjoyed it. Upmann is delivering the twang for me lately with the exception of the mag 50 which runs a little flat for me. Smoking Noellas right now and it also pops for me. Not really a value but damn good. 

[rcarlson]

  On 11/24/2021 at 12:26 AM, Chibearsv said:

I’ve been loving the A and tried my first 2 this past weekend from a recent prize sampler and really enjoyed it. Upmann is delivering the twang for me lately with the exception of the mag 50 which runs a little flat for me. Smoking Noellas right now and it also pops for me. Not really a value but damn good. 

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I'm an HU slut.  Mag 46, Connie 1, Connie A and B , SW, No. 2, and Yes, Mag 50, all hit the sweet spot for me.  Loves 'em.  But that Connie 2?  Yawn.  

I agree with NSX's assessment of Connie 1.  Such a good smoke for the bucks.  All there.  But the Mag 50 aggression will not stand, man.   

[Bill Hayes]

Enjoy the A when PSP quality with at least 6 months down to settle. I feel there are some weaker flavoured A's around. Because they are smooth, elegant and complex at their best, I feel they need the richer, darker, shiny wrapper to bring out the flavour profile. I've had a couple of sticks with matt lighter wrappers and they seemed to lack the flavours I was looking for. I had a connie 2 on Monday when still fresh. Too much mongrel at this point. I think they will develop and settle in 12 months. Will have to get some more JL#2 and Boli PC to get over the wait.