Popular Post El Presidente Posted July 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 19, 2020 https://jouvertradio.com/2020/07/19/cubans-celebrate-no-local-transmission-of-covid-19-for-first-time-in-four-months/ Cuba for the first time in 130 days on Sunday said there were no new domestic cases of Covid-19 as most of the country moved into the final phase of resuming normal activities with masks and social distancing. Francisco Duran, head of epidemiology at the Ministry of Public Health, and who has updated the country daily on the pandemic, took off his mask during the national broadcast for only the second time deliver the good news. Duran, on Saturday did the same, reporting just a single domestic case in Havana. Only a handful of Covid-19 cases were reported in Cuba over the last week, all in Havana. Most of the Caribbean island, home to 11.2 million inhabitants, has been free of the disease for more than a month. “I always tell you to stay safe at home, but I know many will go to the beach today,” Duran said, smiling, before reminding his television audience about social distancing. The capital’s 2.2 million residents remain at the first phase of three stages of reopening where they can once more move around on public and private transport, go to the beach and other recreation centers, and enjoy a seaside drive just in time for the summer break. They can also dine and have a drink. Each phase allows capacity at venues to increase from an initial 60%. Interprovincial transportation begins during phase two, while phase three includes schools reopening. Social distancing and wearing masks remain mandatory in most circumstances. The country has opened a group of isolated resort keys to international tourism. Phase three broadens international travel depending on risk. The Communist-run country has been given high marks for its textbook handling of the pandemic. Cuba’s robust and free community-based health system, door-to-door search for carriers, isolation of the sick, suspected cases and contacts has allowed it to keep the number of infections under 2 500 with 87 deaths. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habana Mike Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 So that's how you do it.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcarlson Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 Sure thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taco Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 It’s great to see some normalcy being restored to parts of the world. Hope. At the rate we’re going in Texas, Cuba may never let us in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asudevil08 Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Taco said: It’s great to see some normalcy being restored to parts of the world. Hope. At the rate we’re going in Texas, Cuba may never let us in. My state, Arizona - “hold my beer” <sighs> 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NSXCIGAR Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 Textbook case... 2500 cases, 87 deaths = 0.348% death rate--nearly double the US death rate. And that's what they're reporting. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bijan Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 1 hour ago, NSXCIGAR said: Textbook case... 2500 cases, 87 deaths = 0.348% death rate--nearly double the US death rate. And that's what they're reporting. That would be 3.48% death rate for Cuba. US has 143,289 dead and 3,898,550 cases, so that's 3.67%. Although it also matters how many people get it, US has 433 deaths per 1 million population, Cuba has 8. US has 11,774 cases per million population and Cuba has 216. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NSXCIGAR Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 11 minutes ago, Bijan said: That would be 3.48% death rate for Cuba. US has 143,289 dead and 3,898,550 cases, so that's 3.67%. Although it also matters how many people get it, US has 433 deaths per 1 million population, Cuba has 8. US has 11,774 cases per million population and Cuba has 216. Forgot to move the decimal. Yes, death rate is about equal. Deaths per million higher in US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PigFish Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 Yeah... communist counties known for honesty in reporting and a free media...! -LOL This country expects tourism... yes? What then? This is a pandemic not a local flare-up of malaria. AND if they want people bringing/spending money on the island, they had better not be known as a host state. I suspect some propaganda here. If it is honest and if Cuba expects to once more welcome tourists, it is right back in the boat with the rest of the world. No country that expects to exercise trade and tourism with the rest of the world is done with this. If my choices are get the virus or live in an isolated totalitarian, less than 1st world state... I will take the virus! -the Pig 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElLoboLoco Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 The genie is out of the bottle.......she will be back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Presidente Posted July 20, 2020 Author Share Posted July 20, 2020 6 hours ago, PigFish said: Yeah... communist counties known for honesty in reporting and a free media...! -LOL This country expects tourism... yes? What then? This is a pandemic not a local flare-up of malaria. AND if they want people bringing/spending money on the island, they had better not be known as a host state. I suspect some propaganda here. If it is honest and if Cuba expects to once more welcome tourists, it is right back in the boat with the rest of the world. No country that expects to exercise trade and tourism with the rest of the world is done with this. If my choices are get the virus or live in an isolated totalitarian, less than 1st world state... I will take the virus! -the Pig Agree completely that once the gates are open they will be back to square one. Still credit where credit is due. With limited resources compared to other states, they appear to have nailed it pretty damn well. Those of us with friends/family in Cuba are hearing some awful stories currently, but they are not CV19 stories. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habana Mike Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 4 hours ago, El Presidente said: Agree completely that once the gates are open they will be back to square one. Still credit where credit is due. With limited resources compared to other states, they appear to have nailed it pretty damn well. Those of us with friends/family in Cuba are hearing some awful stories currently, but they are not CV19 stories. Too true. Seems they've pretty much moved to phase 3 across most of the country though dragging feet a bit in Havana. Shopping is still a nightmare unless you're carrying USD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nino Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 17 hours ago, PigFish said: This country expects tourism... yes? What then? This is a pandemic not a local flare-up of malaria. AND if they want people bringing/spending money on the island, they had better not be known as a host state. 10 hours ago, El Presidente said: Agree completely that once the gates are open they will be back to square one. Cuba could do what the Bahamas just did : Bahamas bans tourists from US, cites coronavirus concerns Bahamas Prime Minister Hubert Minnis announced over the weekend that the country will block American tourists from entry as U.S. coronavirus numbers continue to surge. He also announced that flights to the U.S. would be stopped. The prime minister warned that without aggressive border controls, the Bahamas’ progress on the virus could be undone “because of how citizens and residents within countries are following or ignoring health guidelines.” Florida, which is about 50 miles northwest of the islands, represents one of the Bahamas’ largest tourist markets and has become a major U.S. epicenter of the virus in recent weeks, reporting 12,478 new cases on Sunday https://thehill.com/policy/international/508058-bahamas-bans-tourists-from-us-due-to-coronavirus-concerns 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PigFish Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 3 hours ago, nino said: Cuba could do what the Bahamas just did : Bahamas bans tourists from US, cites coronavirus concerns Bahamas Prime Minister Hubert Minnis announced over the weekend that the country will block American tourists from entry as U.S. coronavirus numbers continue to surge. He also announced that flights to the U.S. would be stopped. The prime minister warned that without aggressive border controls, the Bahamas’ progress on the virus could be undone “because of how citizens and residents within countries are following or ignoring health guidelines.” Florida, which is about 50 miles northwest of the islands, represents one of the Bahamas’ largest tourist markets and has become a major U.S. epicenter of the virus in recent weeks, reporting 12,478 new cases on Sunday https://thehill.com/policy/international/508058-bahamas-bans-tourists-from-us-due-to-coronavirus-concerns It still won’t matter. Asymptomatic camouflage is an earmark of this bug. It is everywhere.... Total isolation ‘appears’ to work, but without a constant test of the whole population it is uncertain. Reported cases is not absolute cases. Society will either not run due to it, or people will return to acting like people and like other viruses it is here to stay. The truth about host mortality is slowly coming out, and as long as it is ‘compatible’ with most humans, most humans will come to live with it. All MHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nino Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 19 minutes ago, PigFish said: It is everywhere.... Total isolation ‘appears’ to work, but without a constant test of the whole population it is uncertain. Agreed. The only way I see for Cuba to reopen is what they plan to do - isolated keys only, AI hotels, no contact with general population, constant medical checks and no way to leave the keys being guarded and closed off. Staff there also being quarantined and kept isolated from the gen. population. Not a vacation most of us dream of, certainly not for me, and Havana and 99,9% of Cuba closed for foreigners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PigFish Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 1 minute ago, nino said: Agreed. The only way I see for Cuba to reopen is what they plan to do - isolated keys only, AI hotels, no contact with general population, constant medical checks and no way to leave the keys being guarded and closed off. Staff there also being quarantined and kept isolated from the gen. population. Not a vacation most of us dream of, certainly not for me, and Havana and 99,9% of Cuba closed for foreigners. I would submit then, that only an authoritarian state can pull this off. And if that state is wholly independent from the rest of the world 'could' maintain it. However, Cuba must 'compete' with other venues for the same tourist. Cuba will likely figure out that if it wants tourism, it must act like a freer state acts. Freer people don't want to vacation in prison. You have eluded to that yourself. We shall see! The larger question, and we are treading some philosophical grounds now, is that the first 'free' state to have the majority of its population exposed and 'safe' will actually have an immune advantage over those that don't. An immune advantage becomes an economic advantage. Their kids will go to school. Their business will run. Their doctors will work. Their economies will grow. Their worries will subside. Their society normailzes. Like it or not, the economics of self interest will again take control, or one's country will be disadvantaged when compared to the country that is largely immune. My guess, and I am just spouting off here, is that about the time 1/3 of any country has had it, those folks will clearly exploit their advantage and it will be damn the torpedos... full speed ahead. All again... MHO! Fear only works on those that can be kept in fear. It can be argued either way, but counties cannot run with huge numbers out of work. The work of the few cannot support the consuming of all. The 'locked down' state becomes a weakened state. All forms of things could happen to the state that finds itself economically weak. History proves that! I submit, viewing the revolutionary powers at work in my own country as it has become weakened economically. Fear is power. That is all that I have to say about it lest I get myself in some hot water! Alas, I have gone too far already! Cheers! -R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nino Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 3 hours ago, PigFish said: I would submit then, that only an authoritarian state can pull this off. And if that state is wholly independent from the rest of the world 'could' maintain it. However, Cuba must 'compete' with other venues for the same tourist. Cuba will likely figure out that if it wants tourism, it must act like a freer state acts. Freer people don't want to vacation in prison. You have eluded to that yourself. We shall see! The larger question, and we are treading some philosophical grounds now, is that the first 'free' state to have the majority of its population exposed and 'safe' will actually have an immune advantage over those that don't. An immune advantage becomes an economic advantage. Their kids will go to school. Their business will run. Their doctors will work. Their economies will grow. Their worries will subside. Their society normailzes. Like it or not, the economics of self interest will again take control, or one's country will be disadvantaged when compared to the country that is largely immune. My guess, and I am just spouting off here, is that about the time 1/3 of any country has had it, those folks will clearly exploit their advantage and it will be damn the torpedos... full speed ahead. All again... MHO! Fear only works on those that can be kept in fear. It can be argued either way, but counties cannot run with huge numbers out of work. The work of the few cannot support the consuming of all. The 'locked down' state becomes a weakened state. All forms of things could happen to the state that finds itself economically weak. History proves that! I submit, viewing the revolutionary powers at work in my own country as it has become weakened economically. Fear is power. That is all that I have to say about it lest I get myself in some hot water! Alas, I have gone too far already! Cheers! -R Ray, I fully agree with your comment. Cuba is an authoritarian state, let's be clear about it and call it what it is - a dictatorship, so, yes, they can pull it off if enough tour operators ( and tourists ) are dumb/keen enough to want to book it. But Cuba has never acted rationally so don't expect it to act rational now. And no - there is no "economic advantage" of Cuba being Covid-19 free as Cuba produces nothing of international interest except cigars, rum and tourism. Nice to have but useless in the general context of economics or finance. My hunch is they'll expect a "positive" outcome next US elections ( they failed miserably 4 years ago ) and the revolutionary "experiment" can go on ( the only ones profiting from that are the armed forces and the Nomenklatura ). Who knows, might happen. One of the contenders has already proclaimed he will retract all sanctions against Cuba. In the meantime they are busy catching all the foreign currency sent by ex-pat Cubans, friends and family into state "credit cards" that will buy necessary foodstuff and basic hygiene stuff but will not deliver that money in cash if requested. We are talking about a minority of Cubans having access to foreign currency. And if you send US$ or any other hard currency via WU your friends/family in Cuba will receive worthless CUC and no US$ that they need to purchase in the new gvmt. run stores that sell ONLY in MLC ( Freely Convertible Currency ). It's a mind-f#ck ... Imagine being Cuban and be paid in worthless CUP, but so far needing tourist CUC to buy necessities and suddenly now needing hard Greenbucks, Euros or Swiss Francs to buy essential stuff and CUC's being as worthless as CUP. Fear is well present in Cuban society. It works to keep people down. Cuba runs quite well with huge numbers of people out of work. They just adapt and "manage" - be it by having Friends & Family outside of Cuba, or by having a job where they can steal or by just "inventing" and getting by on a 30 US$ salary. Has worked so far. Remember Cuba fired some million state employees a few years back and there was no safety net in the private sector. I agree with you - Fear is Power. So far all I have seen in Cuba is that the population arranges itself with the Power-that-Is and is too fearful of moving their asses to change the situation. Cheers ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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