Facebook Cigar Groups

[SOFLO88]

So Ive never really been one to sell any of my cigars let alone the ones I dont like, I usually smoke them. However, my last trip to Havana, I came back with some I just dont like. Where do people sell their stuff ? I know not on this forum and Ive heard of the facebook groups but apparently they either reject my request or wont trust me because Im not a flipper like all these other guys who post things on the daily.

Anybody got some ideas. Im trying to recoup some money since Im going back to Havana in September.

[Puros Y Vino]

Eventually on FOH auctions. For now?  Keep looking at FB cigar groups that are "less" about providing a revenue stream for flippers vs an open marketplace.  But, with FB's new rules, that will be over soon

[kalibratecuba]

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[Bagman]

Cigar sales are moving to mewe.com.  Cigar groups are popping up daily on that site.

 

[Habana Mike]

6 hours ago, Monterey said:

Cigar sales are moving to mewe.com.  Cigar groups are popping up daily on that site.

 

Preppers. We went through the same drill 3 years ago.

Check the posts on some of those pages. Last post 2016....

It would be awesome though if mewe got traction and Zuck got faced!

[Bagman]

2 of the largest groups where flippers thrive were shut down today.  Victory for that.  But failure for freedom of speech.  Wonder what other groups facebook will shut down for "the good of the people"

[Corylax18]

3 hours ago, Monterey said:

2 of the largest groups where flippers thrive were shut down today.  Victory for that.  But failure for freedom of speech.  Wonder what other groups facebook will shut down for "the good of the people"

Help me understand how this is a "Failure for Freedom of Speech"

Selling/Reselling cigars (Especially Cubans, which are illegal contraband) outside of the legal avenues to do so has been against Facebook's Terms of Use forever. They just decided to start enforcing their own rules now. They did it to cover their own tails, they obviously don't give a flip about "the good of the people.

Using Facebook to circumvent Federal Law and the payment of Local/State Taxes isn't free speech. If you feel your rights have been violated, I would suggest complaining to the people who've enacted the laws, rather than complaining about a company who decided to start following them. 

As I stated in the other thread on this topic, anything that makes it harder for flippers is good for the rest of us. Nobody was victimized here. 

[RickHendeson]

1 hour ago, Corylax18 said:

Help me understand how this is a "Failure for Freedom of Speech"

 

 

It's pretty simple really.

Saying what you want -- including hawking your wares -- is known as "free speech."

Action which limits that activity -- particularly on a medium whose sole purported purpose is communication -- is a "failure" of that ideal.

"But it's the law!" is no answer.  "The law" which attempts to restrict speech -- particularly in a polity which purports to enshrine freedom of communication above all else -- is also a failing on the face of it.

Is it the concept of "freedom" which is confusing to you, or the concept of "speech"?

[RickHendeson]

1 hour ago, Corylax18 said:

As I stated in the other thread on this topic, anything that makes it harder for flippers is good for the rest of us. Nobody was victimized here. 

 

This has nothing to do with free speech, but it's worth mentioning it is utterly nonsensical.

3 a.m. raids by authorities searching for contraband would be hard on the flippers.  It surely wouldn't be good to have them at your door, either.

The man whose flag you display in your avatar surely understood this.  In point of fact, they fought a war of independence over those very ideals.

[Fuzz AI]

I'm going to have to agree with Cory here. Freedom of speech has nothing to do with selling stuff.

Legal definition of "freedom of speech"

: the right to express information, ideas, and opinions free of government restrictions based on content and subject only to reasonable limitations (as the power of the government to avoid a clear and present danger) especially as guaranteed by the First and Fourteenth Amendments to the U.S. Constitution

 

The US Constitution is meant to regulate the powers of Congress, not business and individuals. The right of freedom of speech means that Congress cannot restrict somebody from saying what they want. This does not mean that a business, in this case Facebook, cannot do so. Facebook can deny anyone their right to freedom of speech. It is a misconception that the right of freedom of speech gives you the right to say what you want, whenever and wherever you want. Besides, there are a whole load of exceptions that limit freedom of speech anyways.

[JohnnyCigar]

2 hours ago, Corylax18 said:

Help me understand how this is a "Failure for Freedom of Speech"

Selling/Reselling cigars (Especially Cubans, which are illegal contraband) outside of the legal avenues to do so has been against Facebook's Terms of Use forever. They just decided to start enforcing their own rules now. They did it to cover their own tails, they obviously don't give a flip about "the good of the people.

Using Facebook to circumvent Federal Law and the payment of Local/State Taxes isn't free speech. If you feel your rights have been violated, I would suggest complaining to the people who've enacted the laws, rather than complaining about a company who decided to start following them. 

As I stated in the other thread on this topic, anything that makes it harder for flippers is good for the rest of us. Nobody was victimized here. 

How is this good for rest of us? I don’t have an issue with someone flipping a few cigars on social media. 

[El Presidente]

Tobacco and Liquor are regulated products. They will be driven from all social media sites.  3 months, 3 years, it will all end the same way. 

Build your own site and don't worry about it.  Being dependent on someone else's platform is not ideal. 

[Auspaul]

5 hours ago, Corylax18 said:

Help me understand how this is a "Failure for Freedom of Speech"

Selling/Reselling cigars (Especially Cubans, which are illegal contraband) outside of the legal avenues to do so has been against Facebook's Terms of Use forever. They just decided to start enforcing their own rules now. They did it to cover their own tails, they obviously don't give a flip about "the good of the people.

Using Facebook to circumvent Federal Law and the payment of Local/State Taxes isn't free speech. If you feel your rights have been violated, I would suggest complaining to the people who've enacted the laws, rather than complaining about a company who decided to start following them. 

As I stated in the other thread on this topic, anything that makes it harder for flippers is good for the rest of us. Nobody was victimized here. 

They did it in Australia too people ,moving to mewe

[BrightonCorgi]

I never had much luck on the FB groups with cigars.  Everyone seemed to be full of it or want to low ball.  Then they question whether they are real or not...  Luckily the humidor is down to boxes I am into smoking.  Had plenty of nice older boxes that I just wasn't into.  Fortunately have met some folks here that were into them.

[TBird55]

Have never sold (flipped) cigars and don't plan on doing it. If someone wants to sell their own cigars, that's their business, not mine. No one, that I know of, has ever been forced to purchase cigars from anyone. I  was taught long ago, Buyer Beware.

[THEMISCHMAN]

No one, that I know of, has ever been forced to purchase cigars from anyone.

Not true. Rob has forced me to buy a few things.

[TBird55]

Just now, THEMISCHMAN said:

Not true. Rob has forced me to buy a few things.

You have a point there....

[kalibratecuba]

Tobacco and Liquor are regulated products. They will be driven from all social media sites.  3 months, 3 years, it will all end the same way. 
Build your own site and don't worry about it.  Being dependent on someone else's platform is not ideal. 

Having your own site helps, but that doesn't protect you if service providers decide to not host domains selling regulated products. It's not a novel thought.

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[mbflash80]

I have bought and sold many many cigars over the years (mostly OLH) and did some on Facebook...to put it mildly the clientele that was purchasing was slightly above clueless on FB...had one dude insist that my VR Don Alejandros he bought were not real...because he didnt like the taste of them...I refunded his money and told him to keep the cigars...total loser. 

[MPS]

I find it hilarious that people complain about people who sell cigars for profit. Like where did you get your cigars from? Someone who sold it to you at cost? 

I love to have the option to sell for a profit or loss and buy things I want at whatever cost. It’s called a free market. Not sure why everyone gets so salty at “flippers”. If you don’t like it don’t buy. No one is twisting your nipples. 

[BeerPimp]

5 hours ago, THEMISCHMAN said:

Not true. Rob has forced me to buy a few things.

 

5 hours ago, TBird55 said:

You have a point there....

Maybe we should start a support group?  HAHA. ?

[Bill Hayes]

Crickey, when I was growing up, Flipper was a dolphin. ?

[Eric05]

I am apart of some groups on Facebook. I just know of one group. Which i was not apart of that closed down. 

Have i sold some on there. Yes. Never to make an extreme profit like some. Some groups there are so many people in which are  oblivious to what certain cigars sell for. That they get taken of advantage of because they are “Cuban” cigars. But whatever someone is willing to spend is their own business. Reality is eventually it’s going to end it’s just a matter of time. They have closed down liquor groups as well. 

Im not a seller by any means. I do use these groups as a source for certain things i can’t find tho 

[El Presidente]

1 hour ago, Bill Hayes said:

Crickey, when I was growing up, Flipper was a dolphin. ?

[RickHendeson]

On 7/30/2019 at 1:20 AM, Fuzz said:

I'm going to have to agree with Cory here. Freedom of speech has nothing to do with selling stuff.

Legal definition of "freedom of speech"

: the right to express information, ideas, and opinions free of government restrictions based on content and subject only to reasonable limitations (as the power of the government to avoid a clear and present danger) especially as guaranteed by the First and Fourteenth Amendments to the U.S. Constitution

 

The US Constitution is meant to regulate the powers of Congress, not business and individuals. The right of freedom of speech means that Congress cannot restrict somebody from saying what they want. This does not mean that a business, in this case Facebook, cannot do so. Facebook can deny anyone their right to freedom of speech. It is a misconception that the right of freedom of speech gives you the right to say what you want, whenever and wherever you want. Besides, there are a whole load of exceptions that limit freedom of speech anyways.

 

Maybe because you're not American (right?) but you're conflating freedom of speech with constitutional rights.

If the guy who originally made the comment said "a blow to our First Amendment rights" then yeah, there's no First Amendment rights on Facebook.

But this country was founded by dissidents, and the notion of freedom of speech writ large goes far beyond what the First Amendment guarantees.  It's a generalized ethos that we have a free and open society where freedom to say what you will is to be encouraged and never discouraged -- whether guaranteed by law or not.  It's part of being a Good American.

At least, it was, until the PC cancer started spreading in the last 2 decades or so.