Consistency question

[FOHrty9er]

A while back I bought a 6'er of PSD4 that I am thoroughly enjoying.  I want to purchase a box.  My question is will the exact same stick produced at another factory be of the same quality or do I need to try for the same factory code when I find something I like?  Thanks in advance!

[Guest Nekhyludov]

The short answer to both questions is "no." Consistency is not exactly a hallmark of Cuban cigars. If you want the closest possible smoking experience, finding the same factory and date code will somewhat increase the probability of getting a very similar cigar, but is still far from a guarantee. If it were me, I would trust Rob's grading. If the 6'er that you bought was PSP or HQ from here, look for the next time the PSD4 comes up on 24:24 with the same grade. Rob's standards are consistent, Tabacuba's are not. 

Just my two cents. 

[Chef]

In the short while I’ve been buying and smoking CCs, I’ve learned that there are no guarantees...at all.  I’ve tried smoking the revered Lusitanias (2018) that were from a highly touted box code, MSU, and all three were terribly rolled.  From the outside, the construction and wrapper looked gorgeous.  Unfortunately, no air passage through all three samples I smoked. Actually, I can’t even say I smoked them.  Couldn’t.  I really appreciate FOH’s hands on grading system.  At least you can be assured of nice, oily wrappers (depending on grade). But again, no guarantees.  Just too many variables me thinks. 

[El Presidente]

2 hours ago, FOHrty9er said:

A while back I bought a 6'er of PSD4 that I am thoroughly enjoying.  I want to purchase a box.  My question is will the exact same stick produced at another factory be of the same quality or do I need to try for the same factory code when I find something I like?  Thanks in advance!

You need to find a box with the same shade and type of wrapper. 

The rest is prayer 

Even if you were to get the identical box code it is unlikely you are going to get an identical smoking experience. 

I would do it this way. 

"Rob/Ravi/Alberto/Foxy, i am looking for a Colorado Claro box of Partagas SD4 with a little sheen and spicy/barnyard aroma at cold. Can you help me".

[alloy]

1 hour ago, El Presidente said:

You need to find a box with the same shade and type of wrapper. 

The rest is prayer 

Even if you were to get the identical box code it is unlikely you are going to get an identical smoking experience. 

I would do it this way. 

"Rob/Ravi/Alberto/Foxy, i am looking for a Colorado Claro box of Partagas SD4 with a little sheen and spicy/barnyard aroma at cold. Can you help me".

Amen brother, Amen....

[Deeg]

7 hours ago, El Presidente said:

You need to find a box with the same shade and type of wrapper. 

The rest is prayer 

Even if you were to get the identical box code it is unlikely you are going to get an identical smoking experience. 

I would do it this way. 

"Rob/Ravi/Alberto/Foxy, i am looking for a Colorado Claro box of Partagas SD4 with a little sheen and spicy/barnyard aroma at cold. Can you help me".

Rob, I am looking for a cab of PLPC with 5+ years, super-oily Colorado wrapper, and aroma of caramel, honey, spice and rainbows at cold. Can you help a brother out? ?

[El Presidente]

3 minutes ago, Deeg said:

Rob, I am looking for a cab of PLPC with 5+ years, super-oily Colorado wrapper, and aroma of caramel, honey, spice and rainbows at cold. Can you help a brother out? ?

absolutely. www.fohauctions.com  

[Jal154]

On 5/27/2019 at 5:46 PM, FOHrty9er said:

A while back I bought a 6'er of PSD4 that I am thoroughly enjoying.  I want to purchase a box.  My question is will the exact same stick produced at another factory be of the same quality or do I need to try for the same factory code when I find something I like?  Thanks in advance!

Perfect example........same factory code, same month and year. Look at the wrappers. Preferred the bottom lighter wrapper. The darker wrappers are sitting. I smoked two and decided to let them rest for a long time.

[BeerPimp]

2 hours ago, Jal154 said:

Perfect example........same factory code, same month and year. Look at the wrappers. Preferred the bottom lighter wrapper. The darker wrappers are sitting. I smoked two and decided to let them rest for a long time.

It is crazy the difference in wrapper color.   That reminds me I have a Partagas SP2 I need to smoke.

[Deeg]

19 hours ago, El Presidente said:

absolutely. www.fohauctions.com  

Actually, they may not be 5+ years old and I don't know what the cold aroma is like, but apart from that you pretty much nailed my request on the 24:24 today.  ?

[El Presidente]

1 minute ago, Deeg said:

Actually, they may not be 5+ years old and I don't know what the cold aroma is like, but apart from that you pretty much nailed my request on the 24:24 today.  ?

....they were spectacular in all respects. Congrats 

[Deeg]

5 hours ago, Jal154 said:

Perfect example........same factory code, same month and year. Look at the wrappers. Preferred the bottom lighter wrapper. The darker wrappers are sitting. I smoked two and decided to let them rest for a long time.

I think cigar wrappers are like bourbon or scotch in this sense.  Instinctively, we always want to go for the darker, richer-looking specimen (which is one reason some scotch distilleries use caramel coloring in their whisky, since unlike bourbon makers they’re allowed to).  And there is a probabilistic element, where darker will tend to be better (with whisk(e)y, implying more oak influence or less dilution).  But not always - sometimes the lighter, duller-looking specimen is actually the better performer.

Now, when you’re talking about a situation where rather than just a visual you have an expert giving you a full analysis of the wrapper - aroma, sheen, everything else - that’s another kettle of fish of course.  

[Ritch]

I had a Bolivia Royal Corona today, didnt look special, rough wrapper, dull and uninspiring.

What a lovely cigar, burnt well and tasted beautifully.

Never judge a book by its cover.

[Vortigan]

22 hours ago, Jal154 said:

Perfect example........same factory code, same month and year. Look at the wrappers. Preferred the bottom lighter wrapper. The darker wrappers are sitting. I smoked two and decided to let them rest for a long time.

Those dusky maidens above a b-e-a-utiful!!! 

[SCgarman]

3 hours ago, Ritch said:

I had a Bolivia Royal Corona today, didnt look special, rough wrapper, dull and uninspiring.

What a lovely cigar, burnt well and tasted beautifully.

Never judge a book by its cover.

I myself place little credence in pretty dark wrappers. I have smoked claro matte wrapped cigars that were beyond fantastic.

[Ritch]

In short your gonna have to smoke a lotta cigars to find the gems in the rough..

[El Presidente]

My preference generally is for Colorado Claro wrappers with sheen on Upmann. Colorado maduro on Monte. Rosado on R&J. 

Dark wrappers have to be thin and tensile. Most people can't tell the difference and just go for dark wrappers. 

Colorado suit some cigars more than others. Colorado maduro suit some cigars more than others.  Again, most people don't smoke enough cigars or variety in cigars to know what goes with what best. 

Overlay the above with your own palate preference. It's a decade pursuit to nail your preference.....but that doesn't mean someone else will share your preference.  Get to know your taste and be cautious around people who talk in blacks and whites. 

[Dilligaf]

On 5/27/2019 at 6:52 PM, El Presidente said:

You need to find a box with the same shade and type of wrapper. 

The rest is prayer 

Even if you were to get the identical box code it is unlikely you are going to get an identical smoking experience. 

I would do it this way. 

"Rob/Ravi/Alberto/Foxy, i am looking for a Colorado Claro box of Partagas SD4 with a little sheen and spicy/barnyard aroma at cold. Can you help me".

Does this mean the same cigar can have different types of wrappers and you don't know what you may get? i.e. if I get a box of Partagas SD4, it's a shot in the dark on what wrapper it may have on it?

[RicoIsHere]

On 5/27/2019 at 7:52 PM, El Presidente said:

You need to find a box with the same shade and type of wrapper. 

The rest is prayer 

Even if you were to get the identical box code it is unlikely you are going to get an identical smoking experience. 

I would do it this way. 

"Rob/Ravi/Alberto/Foxy, i am looking for a Colorado Claro box of Partagas SD4 with a little sheen and spicy/barnyard aroma at cold. Can you help me".

I hope I get a response by Veterans Day!!

Rob/Ravi/Alberto/Foxy I'm hoping to get one box each of Talisman and Behike 52. Can you help me out??

*While praying and holding a bottle of Michters*

[RijkdeGooier]

On 5/30/2019 at 11:49 PM, Dilligaf said:

Does this mean the same cigar can have different types of wrappers and you don't know what you may get? i.e. if I get a box of Partagas SD4, it's a shot in the dark on what wrapper it may have on it?

Yes. 
 

Remember cigars are a natural product and dependent on the crop for the tabacco available. 
 

It’s the same as growing a vegetable patch in your garden at the same spot with the same veggies. Each year they will have variances based on genetics, climate and feed. 

[IanMcLean68]

On 5/31/2019 at 7:49 AM, Dilligaf said:

Does this mean the same cigar can have different types of wrappers and you don't know what you may get? i.e. if I get a box of Partagas SD4, it's a shot in the dark on what wrapper it may have on it?

Trends yes, absolutes, no way. PSD4 will generally have wrappers that range from colorado to colorado-rosado, but that doesn't mean that they don't come in colorado-claro or colorado-maduro. As mentioned, it will depend on many factors. Its a natural product, so the leaf is never identical from one batch to the next let alone from the same factory, brand or vitola.

IMO, the best wrappers on PSD4 like on any other non-Maduro Partagas are colorado-rosado.

[Vito]

2 hours ago, crking3 said:

I go for light wrappers any day !


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I’m the same in that respect. In fact the be been meaning to ask Rob if he ever comes across any boxes of Montes 1,3, or especiales  that are candella (sickly green looking wrapper, like what was called AMS back in the day) as I’ve had good luck with the lighter wrappers and even the sickly green ones believe it or not.