Belinda cigars.......why such a tragic fall from grace??

[99call]

The core of this topic is to pose the question,,, why aim from mediocrity? .    One of the striking things in looking at some of the Belinda cabinets of the past is, that they seem to have been one of the more luxurious brands.  Why then did they decide the use such a prestigious name of yesteryear, and in 1989 convert it into a multitude of dirty tasting demi-tasse's?.   It seems like such a needless destruction of a once great brand.  

A few images of some stunning cabinets, and their Dunhill seleccions.........and then modern day, slightly sad looking coronas.............still a corona mind you!!

[BarryVT]

They are just trying out a unique new marketing approach, plastic tubos! Lol

[99call]

  On 4/28/2019 at 12:06 PM, BarryVT said:

They are just trying out a unique new marketing approach, plastic tubos! Lol

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This is the second resurrection, or the second sullying, whichever way you want to look at it. 

[nKostyan]

This is often the case when managers do not know the history and do not have respect to marcas, when they makes marketing decisions ‍

 

[99call]

  On 4/28/2019 at 1:29 PM, nKostyan said:

This is often the case when managers do not know the history and do not have respect to markas, when they makes marketing decisions ‍

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Or maybe its just the marca they still had loads of box branding plates for....

[Akela3rd]

I've got a mate called Belinda who was stunning in 1986 and still looks bloody good today - does this help? I'd put up pictures but that would be weird.

 

 

[99call]

  On 4/28/2019 at 4:49 PM, Akela3rd said:

I've got a mate called Beilinda who was stunning in 1986 and still looks bloody good today - does this help? I'd put up pictures but that would be weird.

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being wrapped in cello truly does wonders

[Akela3rd]

  On 4/28/2019 at 5:00 PM, 99call said:

being wrapped in cello truly does wonders

That's a whole different forum...

Sent from 47171 Lempo 

[nKostyan]

  On 4/28/2019 at 4:49 PM, Akela3rd said:

I've got a mate called Belinda who was stunning in 1986 and still looks bloody good today - does this help? I'd put up pictures but that would be weird.

 

From the love of a woman born all the beautiful things on earth, including cigars Belinda. The Cuban brand, whose Foundation dates back to 1882, is named after the beloved woman of Francisco Menendez – the man who stood at the origins of these magnificent cigars

[Vortigan]

Wonderful photos! That #2 cabinet...?

[earthson]

I have always wondered about this.  Rumor is Groucho Marx himself smoked this brand - did he have wine tastes with a champagne purse, or has the quality slid into oblivion?

For those that have had access to vintage Belindas were they worth a snot?  The recent production is far from unique.

[99call]

  On 4/28/2019 at 9:18 PM, earthson said:

For those that have had access to vintage Belindas were they worth a snot?  The recent production is far from unique.

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As the CCW mentions they were discontinued in the 1960,  but when they returned in the 1989 it was in a very different guise. i.e.  super low value, cheap cheroots. 

This 50 cab of Belinda 'Belindas' gives an idea of the quality they used to put out

[earthson]

  On 4/28/2019 at 9:28 PM, 99call said:

As the CCW mentions they were discontinued in the 1960,  but when they returned in the 1989 it was in a very different guise. i.e.  super low value, cheap cheroots. 

This 50 cab of Belinda 'Belindas' gives an idea of the quality they used to put out

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They look beautiful.  Will have to scare one up, if Providence allows...

[99call]

  On 4/28/2019 at 9:39 PM, earthson said:

They look beautiful.  Will have to scare one up, if Providence allows

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Sorry not sure what this means?

[earthson]

  On 4/28/2019 at 9:45 PM, 99call said:

Sorry not sure what this means?

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From time to time, I come across vintage cigars available by the singles and fivers.  Perhaps good fortune will allow me to try a classic, long-filler Belinda someday!

[99call]

  On 4/29/2019 at 1:00 AM, earthson said:

From time to time, I come across vintage cigars available by the singles and fivers.  Perhaps good fortune will allow me to try a classic, long-filler Belinda someday!

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I get you.  Happy hunting

[nKostyan]

“It was a pre-revolution Habanos SA brand established in 1882 and lapsed early to mid 1960s.
It was reintroduced in 1989 and was deleted from Habanos portfolio circa 2005.”
One girl last year found a cigar in the closet of his grandfather, who was a Soviet specialist who worked in Cuba during the Caribbean crisis.
As I understand it, it is Belinda who made some howling after the revolution. I wonder what those cigars were. I asked her to take good photos, but she disappeared from the forum.

[99call]

  On 4/29/2019 at 7:40 AM, nKostyan said:

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Love this,   A casual box of Henry Clay Diamantinos in the background.   why is there nothing in my loft apart from bat shit!??

Yep, looks like a good deal of love and care has gone into making those Belindas,  what a find!

[nKostyan]

  On 4/29/2019 at 7:52 AM, 99call said:

A casual box of Henry Clay Diamantinos in the background. 

If it is interesting for you, http://www.mycigars.ru/forum/index.php?topic=6197.0

[99call]

  On 4/29/2019 at 8:00 AM, nKostyan said:

If it is interesting for you, http://www.mycigars.ru/forum/index.php?topic=6197.0

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OMG, I cannot believe that nobody offered to buy them from her!!???  surely they are not still for sale?  thats insane

[nKostyan]

  On 4/29/2019 at 8:05 AM, 99call said:

OMG, I cannot believe that nobody offered to buy them from her!!???  surely they are not still for sale?  thats insane

I think the most wily negotiated through PM and already bought. In Russia, the problem with humidity in the winter, so cigars are stored for a long time without a humidor need to be restored by a special technique. Even the cigars in the tubes...

[99call]

  On 4/29/2019 at 8:09 AM, nKostyan said:

I think the most wily negotiated through PM and already bought. In Russia, the problem with humidity in the winter, so cigars are stored for a long time without a humidor need to be restored by a special technique. Even the cigars in the tubes...

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HHmmm!? I hear you...but with Diamantinos....glass tubed sealed cigars in a fully sealed box......surely these have to have the best chance of surviving the poor climate. 

The glass tubed cigars I've owned (bauza, cifuentes, partagas) have all been in the best condition i've seen in vintage cigars.....and best aroma.

[CaptainQuintero]

  Those cigars look amazing, almost fresh! 

  Re Belinda, I'm guessing when the revolution hit the government suddenly realised just how many brands they were now responsible for and made huge cuts. Even going by the sales Rob posted HSA only really deals with maybe a half dozen cigars in significant numbers, looking at it I'm surprised we anything much beyond the top 7/8 cigars even being made. I'm glad they do but it probably doesn't make a huge amount of business sense considering the economic trouble the island is in

[99call]

  On 4/29/2019 at 10:50 AM, CaptainQuintero said:

  Those cigars look amazing, almost fresh! 

  Re Belinda, I'm guessing when the revolution hit the government suddenly realised just how many brands they were now responsible for and made huge cuts. Even going by the sales Rob posted HSA only really deals with maybe a half dozen cigars in significant numbers, looking at it I'm surprised we anything much beyond the top 7/8 cigars even being made. I'm glad they do but it probably doesn't make a huge amount of business sense considering the economic trouble the island is in

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Yep I completely get you.  I guess my point was, if in 1889, there is a real likelihood there will have been a lot of smokers that may have still been Belinda fans.  

To me is would be like someone discontinueing Upmann, then 18short years later, bringing the brand back as a portfolio of ugly machine made minutos. 

to me it's like taking a massive dump on your own doorstep..........but as you've pointed out, doing this kind of stuff makes perfect sense in Habana

[ATGroom]

I've been wondering about the status of Belinda for a while, actually. Does anyone know if they're still available anywhere? As far as I can tell, I think they were discontinued around 2014. Be keen to hear about it if anyone has a more recent box date than that.