Partagas question

[unclepauly25]

Just wondering if there is anything that is the same as a Partagas Short, just a bit longer like 42x 5 1/2 inches? Also would a D4 be similar in flavor and strength to a short, I haven’t had a D4 since the late 90’s , thanks 

[NSXCIGAR]

At 42 RG you've got the Coronas Senior, Mille Fleurs and the Petit Coronas Especiales. All will be stronger, earthier and a bit more tannic than the Shorts. Less complex as well. 

I would consider the Shorts to be a cigar of higher quality than those others. One could say it's a more "serious" cigar.

[aphexafx]

1 hour ago, unclepauly25 said:

Just wondering if there is anything that is the same as a Partagas Short, just a bit longer like 42x 5 1/2 inches? Also would a D4 be similar in flavor and strength to a short, I haven’t had a D4 since the late 90’s , thanks 

It's annoying.  Once upon a time, there was the Partagas Coronas.  Then they vanished.

I'm a fan of the Petit Coronas Especiales (petite coronas) and the Super Partagas (cremas), but neither of them is a true corona.  More importantly, neither of them is quite up to the standards of the Shorts blend.  Maybe you'll disagree.  That isn't to say that they aren't great cigars.  Just more rough and ready.  I smoke them both regularly.  I rarely smoke Shorts because I'm just not a fan of minutos.  But when I do smoke the Shorts, I'm reminded of what a great blend they are.  Smooth and rich.

If they would make a true corona again, with the same blend and consistency as the Shorts, I would be all over them.

[El Presidente]

NSX has pretty much nailed it. 

The D4 is an evolution in smoothness beyond the Partagas Short. I find that they share DNA  but are quite different. 

Partagas Corona Senior may be your best bet. 

 

[CaptainQuintero]

Can't disagree with anything already posted.

The only thing I can think of is possibly the Culebras? Certainly not a gimmick cigar and could be an outside ringer if you end up digging the blend. Straightened out they are probably getting close to a Lonsdale?

[shrink]

Petit Coronas Especiales are strong and spicy. Good for those who enjoy "mongrels". 

[Fuzz]

2 hours ago, El Presidente said:

 

The D4 is an evolution in smoothness beyond the Partagas Short. I find that they share DNA  but are quite different. 

 

Quite true. While I really enjoy the Party Short, I don't really find the D4 to my liking.

[NSXCIGAR]

1 hour ago, Fuzz said:

Quite true. While I really enjoy the Party Short, I don't really find the D4 to my liking.

I'm with you for the most part in that. Never been a big fan of any of the Serie line. Too much cream and wood for me. FYI, I'm also not a big HdM fan. 

I think there's a big divergence with the Partagas Serie line since the early 2000s. Many may recall the PSD4 through then to be a very strong and rich cigar. As MRN put it, a mini-Lusitania with similar blend. I only had a few in 97-98, and I can tell you that they were very strong.

I almost exclusively smoke the standard Party line (classic band). Shorts, 898, Presidentes, Lusi and occasionally one of the smaller offerings like PCE or MF. 

I did sample a few of the 18 P2s Rob put up recently and has been touting as the best in a decade, and indeed they were the best P2s I've ever had. And it just reminded me why I don't like the Serie blend even though they were 92 point cigars for me. 

I think the most smokeable of the Serie line for me is the D6, but the vitola is just absurd and the value horrible for a cigar I like but don't love.

[Akela3rd]

One of my current favourite Partagas' is the Aristocrat (40x5.1"). To my taste it's quite similar to the Short but with a different sweet note. I've had two excellent boxes of them over the last year (plus won an FoH comp with one, which may be affecting my judgement) and do reach for them when I want something a little longer than a Short but want that Partagas profile. They're a little rough around the edges, but then again so am I

 

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[Fuzz]

4 hours ago, NSXCIGAR said:

I'm with you for the most part in that. Never been a big fan of any of the Serie line. Too much cream and wood for me. FYI, I'm also not a big HdM fan.

And that's the hilarious part, because I love the Le Hoyo range!

[NSXCIGAR]

14 minutes ago, Fuzz said:

And that's the hilarious part, because I love the Le Hoyo range!

If I do smoke a HdM it usually is a Le Hoyo. I have had some very good du Roi and du Depute. And I had a San Juan recently that I liked quite a bit. I did not like the Rio Seco I had about a month ago however. 

[CaptainQuintero]

  Don't be afraid of the cheap/cheerful reputation of the Mille Fleur either either, both them, the RyJ version and the RA (If you can find them) are excellent little cigars. You don't get the butterscotch richness in the same amount as the Shorts but they hint towards it

[IanMcLean68]

10 hours ago, NSXCIGAR said:

I'm with you for the most part in that. Never been a big fan of any of the Serie line. Too much cream and wood for me. FYI, I'm also not a big HdM fan. 

I think there's a big divergence with the Partagas Serie line since the early 2000s. Many may recall the PSD4 through then to be a very strong and rich cigar. As MRN put it, a mini-Lusitania with similar blend. I only had a few in 97-98, and I can tell you that they were very strong.

I almost exclusively smoke the standard Party line (classic band). Shorts, 898, Presidentes, Lusi and occasionally one of the smaller offerings like PCE or MF. 

I did sample a few of the 18 P2s Rob put up recently and has been touting as the best in a decade, and indeed they were the best P2s I've ever had. And it just reminded me why I don't like the Serie blend even though they were 92 point cigars for me. 

I think the most smokeable of the Serie line for me is the D6, but the vitola is just absurd and the value horrible for a cigar I like but don't love.

I would agree there has been a blend change. I have always been a huge fan of the standard line. Whilst I am also a big fan of the D4, primarily because it was the first good cuban cigar I ever smoked, I am still chasing ones as good as those I had from the very early 2000's. They had a rosado wrapper unlike any I have seen in more recent years - a real pink hue to the wrappers. 

[Hutch]

I’m into a box of D2s that have the flavors of the Shorts, but milder at the beginning. From 1/3 on they are even more similar, but lots more smoke

[NSXCIGAR]

2 hours ago, Hutch said:

I’m into a box of D2s

I don't think Rob's putting those up anytime soon. 

[earthson]

There is nothing like the Short, that I've found.  The cigars aren't completely consistent stick to stick, but they have a level of quality I have not found in any of the petit coronaish sizes 

[NSXCIGAR]

6 hours ago, earthson said:

There is nothing like the Short, that I've found.  The cigars aren't completely consistent stick to stick, but they have a level of quality I have not found in any of the petit coronaish sizes 

No, the Shorts are definitely their own animal. A unique cigar in the Habanos catalogue and unique among Partagas models. 

[ohbob976]

Oh man, all this talk about shorts is getting me super excited to crack into this box of psp’s that just came in the mail. I’ve only had one, don’t remember exactly how it smoked, just remember enjoying it. 

[koosh]

1 hour ago, NSXCIGAR said:

No, the Shorts are definitely their own animal. A unique cigar in the Habanos catalogue and unique among Partagas models. 

In flavor delivery and profile, do the shorts soar head and shoulders above the mass-produced PSD4 for the general populace or is it the format that makes them very special?

[NSXCIGAR]

1 hour ago, koosh said:

In flavor delivery and profile, do the shorts soar head and shoulders above the mass-produced PSD4 for the general populace or is it the format that makes them very special?

Different cigars entirely IMO. If the band didn't say Partagas one would never guess they were in the same marca to my mind. I just think that's a function of the Serie line blends being so fundamentally different than the classic line.

That being said they're not everyone's cup of tea. The Shorts are actually my least favorite Minutos. Not to disparage the Shorts--it's mostly due to all the Minutos in the catalogue being exceptional. But personally, given the choice between a great D4 and a great Shorts, I'll take the Shorts. I'm just not a fan of the Serie line blends anyway.

[koosh]

1 hour ago, NSXCIGAR said:

Different cigars entirely IMO. If the band didn't say Partagas one would never guess they were in the same marca to my mind. I just think that's a function of the Serie line blends being so fundamentally different than the classic line.

That being said they're not everyone's cup of tea. The Shorts are actually my least favorite Minutos. Not to disparage the Shorts--it's mostly due to all the Minutos in the catalogue being exceptional. But personally, given the choice between a great D4 and a great Shorts, I'll take the Shorts. I'm just not a fan of the Serie line blends anyway.

In your opinion, what is the strongest current representative of the Serie line and the Classique line?

[NSXCIGAR]

18 hours ago, koosh said:

In your opinion, what is the strongest current representative of the Serie line and the Classique line?

The classic line is cranking out some good product across the board lately. Couldn't pick a winner between the 898, Presidentes and Lusi. All three are great at the moment.

As for the Serie line, my personal preference from a blend standpoint is the D6. I simply can't stand the vitola and won't buy them. I'd say the P2s are very good right now as the ones Rob put up last month were the best I've ever had. In fact I had never had a good one until those. The E2 is usually a good bet as well, but I don't smoke many. My least favorite would be the D4. 

[koosh]

1 hour ago, NSXCIGAR said:

The classic line is cranking out some good product across the board lately. Couldn't pick a winner between the 898, Presidentes and Lusi. All three are great at the moment.

As for the Serie line, my personal preference from a blend standpoint is the D6. I simply can't stand the vitola and won't buy them. I'd say the P2s are very good right now as the ones Rob put up last month were the best I've ever had. In fact I had never had a good one until those. The E2 is usually a good bet as well, but I don't smoke many. My least favorite would be the D4. 

I'm going to sample the P and E2s in the coming years but I liked the D4s I've tried so far. Perhaps my palate isn't as refined and attuned to the nuances of CCs, coming from NCs. Maybe with added stress, my palate will change over the years. ?