prodigy Posted October 20, 2018 Posted October 20, 2018 I know people who have been smoking and driving for 50+ years. No accidents, no tickets, no lives endangered. I'm not saying everyone can smoke and drive, but there are people out there that not only can, but are probably better drivers high than most sober people. There's a lot of false/negative stigma associated with marijuana. The whole "dumbing down the population" is a complete joke. The smartest kids I knew in school went on to be computer programmers and code writers for fortune 500 companies. They smoke all day, every day, and have done so since high school. When Obamacare was behind schedule, they couldn't get qualified coders to help get them on track because none of the good ones could pass drug tests. Do some people turn dumb and waste away, yes. Do some people explode with creative genius and become exponentially more productive/creative, yes. If you want to smoke, go for it. If you dont, then dont. Why do we have to tell other people what they can and cant do?Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G891A using Tapatalk 3
cigcars Posted October 20, 2018 Posted October 20, 2018 1 hour ago, BeerPimp said: I think most people know the scene with the super high character driving super slow thinking they are speeding is a trope. Cannibus does impair you while driving just like alcohol. I am not sure as much but you are still impaired. With it becoming more legalized we will have more studies. I find it super disingenuous that that this article uses a crash where the person is not only under the influence marijuana but also sedatives as an example where it is discussing higher rates of car crashes in states that legalized recreational marijuana. Also the fact that this crash took place in a state where recreational marijuana is illegal. In the end most crashes are from people distracted/impaired be it alcohol, prescription drugs, marijuana, or using a smart phone. *Yes...that was what I had emphasized in my earlier statement - people who are high on the cannibus ONLY...NOT with other substances in the blood system like alcohol, and Oh My God - sedatives too!? Uhn unhh I know there are no absolutes in "studies" or "experience", etc. But on the whole Marijuana smokers are safer to deal with, period, than violent drunks, passed out opioid pill users...dummies putting makeup on looking in the rear view mirror instead of looking ahead, folks with too little sleep...ad infinitum.
bpm32 Posted October 20, 2018 Posted October 20, 2018 2 hours ago, prodigy said: Do some people turn dumb and waste away, yes. Do some people explode with creative genius and become exponentially more productive/creative, yes. If you want to smoke, go for it. If you dont, then dont. Why do we have to tell other people what they can and cant do? Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G891A using Tapatalk I don’t know, man—I’d have a hard time agreeing that any of the hardcore potheads I knew growing up actually became more productive from smoking weed. Mostly the smart guys stayed smart and the dumb guys stayed dumb. Unless they started smoking weed or drinking booze pretty young, in which case they all took a hit cognition-wise. 1
prodigy Posted October 20, 2018 Posted October 20, 2018 I don’t know, man—I’d have a hard time agreeing that any of the hardcore potheads I knew growing up actually became more productive from smoking weed. Mostly the smart guys stayed smart and the dumb guys stayed dumb. Unless they started smoking weed or drinking booze pretty young, in which case they all took a hit cognition-wise.Many NFL players have come out saying that they would smoke multiple blunts before games, artists and inventors have used it regularly to boost creativity. I agree that "dumb" people aren't going to magically get creative or smarter, but for many people it boosts a lot of skills/abilities. It's a multifaceted issue that definitely has many pros and cons. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G891A using Tapatalk
BinBin Posted October 20, 2018 Posted October 20, 2018 It’s funny how that is legal but its almost illegal to have cigars 1
LLC Posted October 21, 2018 Posted October 21, 2018 10 hours ago, BellevilleMXZ said: You think so? I haven't heard of any talk other than supermarkets? More likely now with Doug Ford; he likes beer and free enterprise. I think eventually but probably not too soon. 1
canadianbeaver Posted October 21, 2018 Posted October 21, 2018 19 hours ago, BellevilleMXZ said: You think so? I haven't heard of any talk other than supermarkets? Depends where you live? In any town north of Toronto, the corner store may have an LCBO, a Beer Store and a Canada Post in it. The first two open seven days sometime twenty four hours. CB 1
Baccy Posted October 21, 2018 Posted October 21, 2018 Of course I want all motorists to be 100% SOBER, but if I had to pick I'd much rather be on the highway with stoners as opposed to drunks. The stoners will drive slower and be more cautious. I think adults should be allowed to choose. Just like we choose whether or not we wish to smoke cigars, drink alcohol, etc. Of course some of these pot advocates are misinformed though, there's a group out there that thinks smoking reefer is just as safe as drinking water. They actually just released a study that showed how cannabis damages the developing brain if kids/teens smoke it regularly.
LGC Posted October 21, 2018 Posted October 21, 2018 What will this do to the healthcare load long term?
shlomo Posted October 21, 2018 Posted October 21, 2018 3 hours ago, Brandon said: What will this do to the healthcare load long term? Why would there be a change at all? Its not like those who wanted to smoke marijuana weren't doing so before... 1 1
BeerPimp Posted October 21, 2018 Posted October 21, 2018 1 minute ago, shlomo said: Why would there be a change at all? Its not like those who wanted to smoke marijuana weren't doing so before... To your point I think in states that have legalized it the people who regularly smoked marijuana keep smoking it and have a legal place to buy it and get better quality. The stigma is pretty much gone. The people that won't ever smoke it still don't smoke it. Lastly the people in the middle smoke it every once and a while. The first states to legalize get the people who smoke it on vacation from banned states. 1
KnightsAnole Posted October 21, 2018 Posted October 21, 2018 Taking the criminal element out of society is perhaps the best argument for legalizing pot. Liberty and freedom of a countries citizens being the next. The most dangerous, harmful result of smoking pot in ones life, is getting caught and going through the judicial system. That is a ridiculous, unethical circumstance.
shlomo Posted October 22, 2018 Posted October 22, 2018 4 hours ago, KnightsAnole said: Taking the criminal element out of society is perhaps the best argument for legalizing pot. Liberty and freedom of a countries citizens being the next. The most dangerous, harmful result of smoking pot in ones life, is getting caught and going through the judicial system. That is a ridiculous, unethical circumstance. Don't kid yourself, no Gov't has ever legalized marijuana to give the people more freedom. In fact it is the absolute opposite. Control and money. 4
canadianbeaver Posted October 22, 2018 Posted October 22, 2018 14 hours ago, shlomo said: Why would there be a change at all? Its not like those who wanted to smoke marijuana weren't doing so before... Bingo. And a kid, “Hey mom, I can do this and it is legal”. The issue there is, try and get that kid to do his homework. Don’t ask me how I know. Lolol! A second issue I have is with non qualified, kind folks who think weed can treat various illnesses. Insisting we should try it. Really. Really. I have epilepsy and have had brain surgery. I do not have it now. My neurologist does not prescribe it and does not believe it works for brain disorders. In adults. He is one of a team of ten specialists at the particular Western hospital in Toronto. I go with that. A cousin of ours is in the pharma weed biz. He said he can get a doctor for me if I want. No thanks is what I say to that. CB 1
prodigy Posted October 22, 2018 Posted October 22, 2018 Some people with severe seizures have completely changed their life by using CBD oil. My brother is a chemist and started his own business manufacturing CBD oil. He has received hand written letters from doctors all over the US saying that his product has changed the lives of many patients. Kids that were having hundreds of seizures a day haven't had a single one in months. There's a lot of people that use the "medicinal" aspect as a scapegoat to justify being able to legally get high. However, there are legitimate medical issues that can be greatly improved with CBD, and it has none of the psychoactive properties that get you "high".Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G891A using Tapatalk
shlomo Posted October 22, 2018 Posted October 22, 2018 1 minute ago, prodigy said: Some people with severe seizures have completely changed their life by using CBD oil. My brother is a chemist and started his own business manufacturing CBD oil. He has received hand written letters from doctors all over the US saying that his product has changed the lives of many patients. Kids that were having hundreds of seizures a day haven't had a single one in months. There's a lot of people that use the "medicinal" aspect as a scapegoat to justify being able to legally get high. However, there are legitimate medical issues that can be greatly improved with CBD, and it has none of the psychoactive properties that get you "high". Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G891A using Tapatalk Correct 100%. I would add pain management as well. 1
prodigy Posted October 22, 2018 Posted October 22, 2018 The issue my brother sees in the CBD realm is that anyone can process CBD oil and sell it as whatever they want, making ridiculous claims along the way. He uses state of the art refining practices that require a lab and extensive knowledge of chemistry to make it all come together. His product is currently sold in a bottle 1/4 the volume of his competition, and is 4x as concentrated. Unless big pharma gets in the way, he is really on to something that could be huge in the near future. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G891A using Tapatalk
KnightsAnole Posted October 22, 2018 Posted October 22, 2018 10 hours ago, shlomo said: Don't kid yourself, no Gov't has ever legalized marijuana to give the people more freedom. In fact it is the absolute opposite. Control and money. Control and money is why the governments made it illegal in the first place. It was only through people demanding their rights that it has become legal again.
mtd057 Posted October 22, 2018 Posted October 22, 2018 1 hour ago, KnightsAnole said: Control and money is why the governments made it illegal in the first place. It was only through people demanding their rights that it has become legal again. Sorry to say but it is 100% about money. More money for the government. The tax revenue it raises is just too much for them to pass on. In my state, the tax revenue is 5X greater on cannabis than alcohol. Through Sept it is over $200 million. It's just a matter of time now in the US before it is legal in all states.
shlomo Posted October 22, 2018 Posted October 22, 2018 32 minutes ago, mtd057 said: Sorry to say but it is 100% about money. More money for the government. The tax revenue it raises is just too much for them to pass on. In my state, the tax revenue is 5X greater on cannabis than alcohol. Through Sept it is over $200 million. It's just a matter of time now in the US before it is legal in all states. Not the case so far in Quebec. Prices are FAR lower than the black market and they have run out of stock at several locations on more than one occasion so far....and it's only the first week. If it was all about money, they would make sure there would be enough for everybody and not impose strict personal and household limits.
BrightonCorgi Posted October 22, 2018 Posted October 22, 2018 4 hours ago, shlomo said: Not the case so far in Quebec. Prices are FAR lower than the black market and they have run out of stock at several locations on more than one occasion so far....and it's only the first week. Where's the best stores to pick up something in Montreal? Staying a couple nights at the Ritz next month.
mtd057 Posted October 22, 2018 Posted October 22, 2018 6 hours ago, shlomo said: Not the case so far in Quebec. Prices are FAR lower than the black market and they have run out of stock at several locations on more than one occasion so far....and it's only the first week. If it was all about money, they would make sure there would be enough for everybody and not impose strict personal and household limits. I guess time will tell my friend, same thing happened in Colorado and Nevada (2 states that I work in) when we went recreational. Both states ran out quite quickly. And we have limits here as well but they aren't very enforceable. The limit in CO is 28 grams per day but there is nothing stopping anyone from purchasing at multiple shops in a single day. I'm not against legalization, just pointing out what I believe to be the biggest motivator to get any government to make changes like this! 1
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