When you give good Cigars to Stupid People

[Trimming]

Learning curve, don’t be shy. Know what you want, or bite your tongue. We all were once rookies...

[Ryan]

16 hours ago, GavLew79 said:

Sounds like a knob. I've met a few crass individuals, chuffing cigars that I've told them to take their time with, inhaling them, necking fine whiskies, diluting great rum with coke...

Anyway, forgive me, because I normally smoke alone, and I'm British, but I must ask...

Isn't smoking something better than you've given everyone else a bit, er, rude? Are people normally ok with it?

For example if I gave guests the 10 year old whisky while I poured myself the 21 year old, or gave them the cheap wine while I indulged in the good claret...it doesn't quite sit right. I know it's not exactly the same principle, but it's kind of close. Is it different with cigars? Different culture maybe?

No offence intended, just curious. 

Cheers. 

I understand where you're coming from, it can certainly sound mean but what if one of your guests took a sip of the 21 year old whiskey and poured the rest down the sink.Would you be as generous with him next time?

That is similar to a non-cigar smoker taking the most expensive cigar out of an offered-case and then stubbing it out after a few puffs.

A good 21 year old bottle of whiskey can be had for £200. At 20 decent sized tasting measures per bottle, that's £10 a go.

I think the vast majority of members here would be happy enough to hand over a £10 cigar every now and then and not get too upset if the guest stubbed it out after a few puffs.

It's when it's a rare or hard to find cigar which can be worth £40 to £500. But say at £40, that equates to an £800 bottle of whiskey. That's not something that non-whisky drinkers expect to be offered. 

Just as non-cigar smokers should not expect to be offered a £40 cigar when there is a good possibility that they won't like it.

But I understand how it happens. Not many people, who don't regularly smoke premium cigars, understand the value/cost of a rare cigar. Having said that, cigars are smoked by adults and, as adults, we should know that if we don't know, ask rather than just take.

[99call]

To be honest it all needs to be framed in reference to why they want the cigar. If you said to them

You can have this huge $4 NC with a genuine Cohiba band on it, or you can have this genuine Cohiba Coronas Especiales?, most would go for the first option.

I think most blokes out for a drink 'think' cigars are just an outward expression of wealth and showiness, and are unaware of the range of flavours and enjoyment they can get out of it.     99% of the time, they'll light is up, give it a chew, do the social rounds to say 'look i'm smoking a cigar' then the purpose of it is over. and the stub out.

Sit back and know that even though 'POS' wants to be 'seen' as living the life..........you actually are

[Cayman17]

Life is like a box of chocolates, and if you let everyone else pick before you, you may end up with the one filled with toothpaste.  

[GavLew79]

7 hours ago, Ryan said:

I understand where you're coming from, it can certainly sound mean but what if one of your guests took a sip of the 21 year old whiskey and poured the rest down the sink.Would you be as generous with him next time?

That is similar to a non-cigar smoker taking the most expensive cigar out of an offered-case and then stubbing it out after a few puffs.

A good 21 year old bottle of whiskey can be had for £200. At 20 decent sized tasting measures per bottle, that's £10 a go.

I think the vast majority of members here would be happy enough to hand over a £10 cigar every now and then and not get too upset if the guest stubbed it out after a few puffs.

It's when it's a rare or hard to find cigar which can be worth £40 to £500. But say at £40, that equates to an £800 bottle of whiskey. That's not something that non-whisky drinkers expect to be offered. 

Just as non-cigar smokers should not expect to be offered a £40 cigar when there is a good possibility that they won't like it.

But I understand how it happens. Not many people, who don't regularly smoke premium cigars, understand the value/cost of a rare cigar. Having said that, cigars are smoked by adults and, as adults, we should know that if we don't know, ask rather than just take.

I certainly get the value aspect. But then that prompts the question; why would you pull out the £800 whisky and offer it to someone in the actual hope that they'd say no? 

I get that this guy in question clearly flouted the group's 'etiquette', but if he's a novice, or ignorant of cigars, can he actually be blamed?

Anyway, I'm getting too philosophical. I understand the OP is pissed off with this guy, and should certainly not offer him any more Cohibas, or anything he can't appreciate for that matter.  

[Ryan]

2 hours ago, GavLew79 said:

I certainly get the value aspect. But then that prompts the question; why would you pull out the £800 whisky and offer it to someone in the actual hope that they'd say no? 

That's a fair point, people don't offer £800 whisky while hoping someone would say no, not usually anyway.

However, how would you feel if someone was at your £800 whisky tasting, eagerly took a full measure and then threw it down the sink after taking a sip? I know how I'd feel!

Taking a cigar, without knowing or asking its value and stubbing it out after a few puffs, that's "throwing the whisky down the sink."

It depends who you're smoking with, so there's kind of a case-by-case basis in this. I'm happy to give my rarest cigars to people who I know like cigars.

If I'm out with people who don't appreciate cigars but will always take one if offered (we all know some of those), even if some of those people might be coming along, I don't offer a cigar case that has any rare cigars in it. But that was a lesson I had to learn the hard way, as Toledo I think did before he started this thread.

I'm also of the opinion that if someone takes my most expensive cigar out the case, and they love it, well that's great.

It's not always the taker's fault, most people just don't know that a cigar could be worth £40, or £100 or whatever. But as I said, if you don't know, ask.

[BinBin]

Nothings going to stop me from being generous but sometimes I wonder

[wineguy]

On 8/28/2018 at 4:42 PM, Kitchen said:

I have never had this happen with cigars, but have with wine.  At a family event, we decided to open a pretty good bottle of wine.  Another family member who was not a wine drinker approached us and asked if she could have some.  Being family, we kind of could not refuse and poured her a glass.  Turned around and made a spritzer with it.  

I have had many wine stories like this.  My ex father in law would add ice cubes to the red so I learned to have a bottle for him and a bottle for me open and played a shell game with them.  Or there is my cheap Centi-millionaire friend who brought a 7.99 sparkling Lambrusco to a dinner party at my house.  I made him drink it... and he is forgotten on the invites now. 

[anjimj]

Hand them a Gurkha they will never ask for a cigar  from you again. I stopped bringing cigars to parties for everyone because it was a waste and they never really appreciate it. Now, I will bring  my cigars and two extra cheapies. If someone asks me for a stick I will give them one. Once I run out I'm done. Imho if they really want a cigar they will bring their own to smoke.

[Lotusguy]

Hand them a Gurkha they will never ask for a cigar  from you again. I stopped bringing cigars to parties for everyone because it was a waste and they never really appreciate it. Now, I will bring  my cigars and two extra cheapies. If someone asks me for a stick I will give them one. Once I run out I'm done. Imho if they really want a cigar they will bring their own to smoke.

Or give them a RG88 - that should cure them once and for all.

[Derboesekoenig]

1 hour ago, Lotusguy said:

Or give them a RG88 - that should cure them once and for all.

Shiiiiii. Are those really that bad?? Because I think I have 5 boxes that I haven't touched. 

[Lotusguy]

Shiiiiii. Are those really that bad?? Because I think I have 5 boxes that I haven't touched. 

They are worse.

[Derboesekoenig]

8 minutes ago, Lotusguy said:

They are worse.

Well you know what that means! I will open a box sometime around 2040 lol

[wineguy]

On 8/28/2018 at 11:42 PM, Kitchen said:

That would certainly work.  I have better solution though; let him get into a fight with my cousin in law and invite my cousin in law to every party I have so he wont show.  

Actually this already happened, three days before my wedding.  He offered out Steve, my cousin and 40 years younger, in the courtyard of a hotel while on vacation.  My cousin had the better sense not to get in a fist fight.  The next day he told Steve that he felt that he should not go to my wedding; Steve told him to get over it and that he was going.  My uncle did not show.  Initially I was a little disturbed, but out of everyone I invite he was the only one I feared would start a fight, so it kind of worked out.  

It's been more then a year and my uncle is still pushing this faux feud; Steve meanwhile just laughs it off.  

He sounds very charming.

[JY0]

On 8/28/2018 at 4:39 PM, Brandon said:

Had a good cigar friend that let me down once. I left several boxes at his place that I was picking up at a later time because I forgot them... 1996 Monte Especial, 2001 Cab SLR DC, 2001 RyJ Cazadores, 1998 Cab RyJ TPC.

His wife grabbed some 1996 Montes to smoke with girlfriends, he smoked the full box of Cazadores, smoked a bunch of the SLR DCs, and used the RyJ TPCs for a speed smoking competition at his place.

I don’t give ANYONE the benefit of the doubt anymore... PERIOD

Ex friend?

[joshhooper7]

One of my best friends loves to come over and smoke cigars with me, and every time he does he finishes it in a quarter of the time that I smoke mine. He's a cigarette smoker so he's used to taking puffs a lot more frequent than I, but he powers through a cigar and the ash has a curve to it since it doesn't have time to solidify. It pains me to watch, however, he always finishes and always enjoys the cigars immensely. I guess to each their own, but if only he'd take my advice and slow down and take it all in.

[CaptainQuintero]

On 8/29/2018 at 1:45 AM, FatherOfPugs said:

My maddening experience similarly happened at a neighbor's party. I brought my travel humidor with some nice cigars I had picked out for my neighbor and I to choose from since he is a cigar aficionado like myself and enjoys a good smoke. I placed my humidor under my towel (we were outside at his pool) and about 30 minutes later I see 2 guys that I don't know lighting up cigars........at first I thought, well, more people brought cigars to smoke, then as I walked over by them, it was apparent they were smoking cigars from my humidor! F^*ckers didn't even ask, just opened it up and took what they wanted, a HdM Le Hoyo de San Juan and my one and only freaking H.Upmann Connie B! I was livid, and yet still managed to be nice to them, asked them where they got the cigars from and if they were enjoying them......then I made them feel like total damn heels for just going into a humidor that was covered. 

Lesson learned, I'm keeping my humidor well within arms reach. Thank God they did not take the '14 Esplendido I had in the humidor. Who the f^ck does that?

I had something similar a few years ago, it was a fancy dress birthday party, all adults, in the summer so outside. I had brought a ziplock bag with half a dozen or so cigars in, a cutter and lighter, just in case anyone wanted to join me. After a while I lit one up and offered them around to the half dozen people I was currently chatting to, a few accepted and everyone carried on enjoying themselves and the cigars were even all nubbed! I just put the bag under a chair and went off to mingle.

An hour or so later I went back to where I had left the bag and someone, I'm guessing an anti tobacco fascist type, had thrown the bag complete with 3 or 4 cigars and lighter/cutter into the ice+water bucket for the beers...

  I mean, their spiteful plan was completely undone by the miracle that is ziplock plastic bags, but it really makes you realise that outside your circle of friends the can be some real nasty pieces of work who are so absorbed in their own self worth that they can, and will, spoil anyone else's day if it gets in their way. You can get caught out with your defenses down by thinking that friends of friends will be similar to you

[mt1]

On 8/29/2018 at 8:45 AM, FatherOfPugs said:

My maddening experience similarly happened at a neighbor's party. I brought my travel humidor with some nice cigars I had picked out for my neighbor and I to choose from since he is a cigar aficionado like myself and enjoys a good smoke. I placed my humidor under my towel (we were outside at his pool) and about 30 minutes later I see 2 guys that I don't know lighting up cigars........at first I thought, well, more people brought cigars to smoke, then as I walked over by them, it was apparent they were smoking cigars from my humidor! F^*ckers didn't even ask, just opened it up and took what they wanted, a HdM Le Hoyo de San Juan and my one and only freaking H.Upmann Connie B! I was livid, and yet still managed to be nice to them, asked them where they got the cigars from and if they were enjoying them......then I made them feel like total damn heels for just going into a humidor that was covered. 

Lesson learned, I'm keeping my humidor well within arms reach. Thank God they did not take the '14 Esplendido I had in the humidor. Who the f^ck does that?

Are you sure you live in Texas?  How was he not shot?  I am so confused.

1 hour ago, CaptainQuintero said:

I had something similar a few years ago, it was a fancy dress birthday party, all adults, in the summer so outside. I had brought a ziplock bag with half a dozen or so cigars in, a cutter and lighter, just in case anyone wanted to join me. After a while I lit one up and offered them around to the half dozen people I was currently chatting to, a few accepted and everyone carried on enjoying themselves and the cigars were even all nubbed! I just put the bag under a chair and went off to mingle.

An hour or so later I went back to where I had left the bag and someone, I'm guessing an anti tobacco fascist type, had thrown the bag complete with 3 or 4 cigars and lighter/cutter into the ice+water bucket for the beers...

  I mean, their spiteful plan was completely undone by the miracle that is ziplock plastic bags, but it really makes you realise that outside your circle of friends the can be some real nasty pieces of work who are so absorbed in their own self worth that they can, and will, spoil anyone else's day if it gets in their way. You can get caught out with your defenses down by thinking that friends of friends will be similar to you

Wow...that's just...wow.  I hope I'm not in the minority but I would never do that to anyone's stuff.  At the end of the day, they had no right to touch your things, much less try to ruin them.

[CaskStrength]

15 minutes ago, mt1 said:

Are you sure you live in Texas?  How was he not shot?  I am so confused.

Wow...that's just...wow.  I hope I'm not in the minority but I would never do that to anyone's stuff.  At the end of the day, they had no right to touch your things, much less try to ruin them.

If you're in the minority, I'll join you.  Interfering with someone's personal property is never ok.