A few questions on Cohiba

[Ken Gargett]

11 minutes ago, JoeKitchen said:

I would say this makes sense and does not necessarily contradict what I am saying.  Although some people are better at learning flavors better then others, I feel much of the time the reason some do not perceive certain flavors is because they never learned what they are. 

Same thing with color.  As a photographer, I stare at color all day.  I am constantly studying it, and the amount of colors I can detect are far more then most.  I kind of think most people could get to that level with constant practice, but, really, unless you do it day and day out, who has the time. 

i think we are reasonably close. i think that i am perhaps leaning more to there being more differences from the start - everyone is not created equal - but then we are very similar on the learning/practice etc.

[dominattorney]

26 minutes ago, JoeKitchen said:

I find it interesting, and ironic, that you picked blue.  Did you know that blue is always the last color to be named in every culture, and, until it is named, you can not perceive it nor differentiate it from many other colors.  

Humans didn't even ...

I feel taste are similar.  Just like the color blue, many flavors are part of everyday life.  However, many of us just do not learn what they are or how they taste.  (I'm not saying this is a bad thing, just something that happens.  People are busy and dont have the time to learn all the nuances of flavor.)  So they just do not perceive them when they are present. 

Blue I chose, perhaps ironically, because to me it is the chicken of colors. Apparently there was good reason for that. Interesting stuff. 

[Ken Gargett]

had a cohiba LE 06 pyramide the other evening (will be in kenfessions). absolutely spectacular. not many houses make much that good!

[Corylax18]

On 1/23/2018 at 3:25 PM, El Presidente said:

Or the fact that money is no object. If you have to worry if you can afford them or not....and you still buy them at that price, then I agree with you. 

I wouldn't be lining up to purchase a box at those prices....or half those prices. Not for me. 

Then again I have mates who would. One in particular would buy a dozen boxs because he misses them so much!. Then again he is a squillionaire who has never had an alcoholic drink in his life.  I can only imagine what I have spent on booze over the years. Who am I to question what he spends his money on. 

Along similar lines....for all thosewho purchased a Porche Macan......the are really only volkswagons with a body kit. Suckers. 

 

 

If money is no object, you could, and I would strongly argue should, be flying to cuba on a regular basis and sitting with your favorite roller as they roll your custom commissioned cigars. I can do it and money is not something I have more of than brains. You want a "Behike 52" WITH Medio Tiempo? No problem. You want custom, shaggy foot coronas, half with a quarter MT leaf, and half without? Great! "Behike" 54s, 56s, 58s, and all other assortment assortment of whatever you can imagine. All in whatever quantities you are comfortable taking off the island. Just an ask away. 

You can have all this done for you, in front of your eyes, on one of the farms that provides wrapper leaf for Cohiba. Many of you know the mythical place of which I speak, I know so, because I've been there with you. You can have all this for FAR less (50%) than $120 a stick, 2 week vacation included. 

So I say again, weather you have more money than god, or not. $120 a stick for Behike 54 is firmly, deeply into SUCKER territory. If anyone wants in on the below, PM me. I'll cut you a deal, only $80 a stick! 

 

[El Presidente]

For some, the most expensive commodity in the world is "time".

A week in cuba would cost a bomb in opportunity cost. They would think it madness to give up earning and managing X  to save on cigars?  They would indeed be suckers to do it! Maybe when there is internet and reliable phone coms.

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Everyone is in a different space 

[Cubadust]

On 2018-01-23 at 10:15 PM, Philc2001 said:

"If these are expensive then they must be good and I should like them"    I've come across folks who rate wine and restaurants by what they cost too, rather than what they actually taste. 

That's a really odd and backwards way to rate something. . I'm the total opposite, the more I pay the harsher the review. I expect more from a $200 tasting menu than $4 burger.

[Philc2001]

2 hours ago, Cubadust said:

That's a really odd and backwards way to rate something. . I'm the total opposite, the more I pay the harsher the review. I expect more from a $200 tasting menu than $4 burger.

I agree, but there are people who fall victim to the hype. Whether it is the allure of a fancy double band, or some kind fancy label, it seems labels tend to bias opinions. Blind tasting has proven it many times over. 

Using the menu analogy, I know you expect more from the $200 menu and you should, but it doesn't always work that way. In fact, blind tasting at restaurants has also proven the same sort of bias. 

I've never been to Sweden, so it may be different there, but over here in the US many restaurants have two menus;  a lunch menu and a dinner menu. In many places, the dinner menu has the same items as the lunch menu, but at twice the price. Go there for lunch and have a decent steak for $15, then go back after 6:00pm and the same steak is $30. Furthermore, the tipping is also greater for dinner than for lunch.

For lunch with a soda your bill comes to $20 and you leave a $4 tip. For dinner with a martini your bill comes to $40 and you leave an $8 tip. Was the service at dinner worth twice as much as the service at lunch? Probably not, in fact most people demand faster service at lunch then at dinner because they have to get back to work, yet the tip is not at all commensurate to your waiter's quality of service, it is almost always a percentage of the total bill. But do we demand more because we are paying more? No we're just conditioned by social norms.

[shaffer22]

I do find they’re worth the premium in the sense that they are unique. That said, I wouldn’t want to smoke only COROs. They aren’t better than RASS or BRC or PSD4 or HdM Epi2, etc. Just different. And I find that difference worth paying for from time to time. 

[Danimalia]

On 1/21/2018 at 8:50 PM, MooseAMuffin said:

While I haven't had that many CoRos, I have enjoyed the ones I've smoked. But at the same time, I have thoroughly enjoyed some JLPs just as much!

Maybe I need to see someone about this....

Absolutely not, you don't need to see anyone. Count that one as a blessing, and buy a few bundles of JLP. In fact, I need to try a bundle to try, along with some Quinteros. Do you have a favorite size? I feel like the Petit Cazadores would be a great size for a cup of coffee or as a nightcap cigar.

[ErikB]

Now that you mention Colour ... this is another subject but I’ve always had the feeling that the colour of the bands can play a suggestive part in identifying flavours - cohiba yellow in citrus , romeo red in cherries , montecristo brown in coffee , vegueros green jn grassy notes and so on. Or have the bands been designed because of the blends ? And I’ve always found blue bands wrong. But then I think of january as white and december as brown ........


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[MooseAMuffin]

11 hours ago, Danimalia said:

Absolutely not, you don't need to see anyone. Count that one as a blessing, and buy a few bundles of JLP. In fact, I need to try a bundle to try, along with some Quinteros. Do you have a favorite size? I feel like the Petit Cazadores would be a great size for a cup of coffee or as a nightcap cigar.

I have enjoyed a few different JLP. Petite Cetros, Nacionales and Brevas are all good. I think the Petite Cetros seem to be the most consistent in flavor for some reason. I have never had one that disappointed. 

 The Nacionales and Brevas are pretty similar to me in terms of flavor. Not sure I could tell you a difference. Cazadores are hit and miss to me, so much so that I haven't had one in a while. Then again, I don't get to smoke as often as I'd like which may be part of the reason for that.

In the end, can't go wrong with one of the first three I mentioned! Let me know what you think next time you fire one up!

[stunod]

The question “is it worth the price”. I answered no but with an explanation. 

Its not, IMO, worth twice what a Monte PE sells for out of the box. But, if that box of Cohiba sit around for 5 years, now they are.

Its just a painfully long time to wait for a cigar to transform.