mjc92 Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 PUNCH PUNCH 48 EMERGES http://halfwheel.com/punch-punch-48-emerges/140559 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nathankwok Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 Awesome! They look gorgeous! I look forward to trying one! Thanks for sharing! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oliverdst Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 I talked to him yesterday. There is no date to be released yet. At least no date confirmed. The outer LCDH stamp box is different too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post PigFish Posted February 3, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted February 3, 2017 Alright, my negativity is perhaps not well placed...! As we obviously did not need the SS2, or the RS11, or even the Black Prince... why in God's name do we need a stretched Hermosos 4, with a Punch Punch moniker and additional band? ... enjoy your overpriced double-banded smokes my friends! I see this has little more than a joke. -Piggy 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave001 Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 sweet something under 50 RG something I will probably give a try Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NSXCIGAR Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 World is a crazy place when HSA has us excited about anything under 50 RG. Now, where are the Monte Dantes, Partagas Capitols and Hoyo Elegantes? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fugu Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 4 hours ago, PigFish said: why in God's name do we need a stretched Hermosos 4, with a Punch Punch moniker and additional band? You already implied the answer, Piggert: Because of the additional band. (and that really IS a nice one....) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLB03TT Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 Rather dark wrappers, unlike standard issue Punch Punch. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominattorney Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 To Piggy, whose opinion I have admired for a year before joining this forum. I bet you ten bucks that these wind up being pretty good. They look like the h upmann royal robusto, which carries the dubious second band, but is a cigar I love. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LandCruiser Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 Not usually one to buy into the double band hype, but these caught my eye when they were announced, and to be honest they look absolutely delicious.... Dont see how anyway could hate on what little has been seen so far... Im betting these end up being pretty damn good... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dmpotocek Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 To Piggy, whose opinion I have admired for a year before joining this forum. I bet you ten bucks that these wind up being pretty good. They look like the h upmann royal robusto, which carries the dubious second band, but is a cigar I love. That's what I thought too, and if it's anything like the royal robusto I'm going to have to buy yet another humidor. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Fugu Posted February 4, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted February 4, 2017 You're missing the point, gents. It is not about these not being expected to be good, which nobody can say at this time. It is about a policy of killing off a variety of long-standing, well-proven, solid vitolas within the Punch line, with the agrument that those formats didn't sell, just to then find HSA come up with special releases with a format along +/- the same lines. The good thing, for HSA, people pretty quickly seem to forget about those classic smokes, and the novice smoker, at which HSA seems to aim at more and more, mostly hasn't even had a chance to experience those classics in his time. But granted, pricewise, we haven't seen any info so far. Let's just hope they will be scheduled within the range of the Superiores and the Royal Robusto... perhaps they will be good and be good value! 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post PigFish Posted February 4, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted February 4, 2017 20 minutes ago, Fugu said: You're missing the point, gents. It is not about these not being expected to be good, which nobody can say at this time. It is about a policy of killing off a variety of long-standing, well-proven, solid vitolas within the Punch line, with the agrument that those formats didn't sell, just to then find HSA come up with special releases with a format along +/- the same lines. The good thing, for HSA, people pretty quickly seem to forget about those classic smokes, and the novice smoker, at which HSA seems to aim at more and more, mostly hasn't even had a chance to experience those classics in his time. But granted, pricewise, we haven't seen any info so far. Let's just hope they will be scheduled within the range of the Superiores and the Royal Robusto... perhaps they will be good and be good value! ... ding, ding, ding.... Give that man a kewpie doll! To the readership: Gentlemen and ladies! Believe it or not, I do actually scan through threads and often chose not to post negativity. Negativity is really not much fun...! We'll... okay we will skip that! Yet one thing that one might glean from reading my stuff, is that I generally post from the position of aggregated information and past experience. No, not 'aggravated.' -LOL Steadfastness, consistency and perhaps even stubbornness can often be viewed by the onlooker as the same thing! It is true that it is not easy to change my opinion. Yet, that is due to experience and not stubbornness. So when I miss cigars such as the Punch Coronas, or the RS12, SS1 and others, i am speaking from a position of destruction of some great cigars, not just one of viewing a new cigar. This is one such case. We obviously did not need the Upmann PC any longer according to Tabacuba. Did you guys read the discontinuation for the year? An yet we obviously need this worthless cigar, one with overlap, the same overlap that was the ostensible reason for deleting cigars such as the Black Prince, RS11 and SS2. To kill those and give me this! I have to ask (Tabacuba), do you think I am stupid? You are right, it could be a great cigar. I don't care! Fuck it and other overpriced, two banded garbage and give me back the Punch Coronas x25 at $99.00 a box... My experience tells me, they will smoke the crap out of these 'Benie Baby Collector' cigars. My friend Goo, pretty much nailed it. Lastly... I am not here to court opinion. Yes, i appreciate that I have folks that follow what I read and respect it. Yet, you all need to experience much of this yourself, as you will do regardless of what I write. I am a bit of an anachronism, especially amongst the many newer to the forum and to the cigar smoking experience. I don't wish to rain on your parade... but I do believe that cigars like this will be the downfall of the Cuban cigar. Cuban cigars are becoming fractured and are beginning to look like cereal boxes for kids (MHO). These are not 'special' cigars! There is no such thing. These are a cigar, especially made to market to those who have forgotten about the Punch Coronas, and the RS12, RS11, SS1, SS2... the Black Prince and the many other fine, better (yes, I believe better, value and taste) than these double banded monstrosities... If you want them buy them. Some will undoubtedly be good or even great cigars. But for me, they will harken back some memories of cigars lost and rekindle a hatred for Tabacuba and certainly not stimulate new 'excitement.' This is like putting a toy in a meal for kids... or dressing up a talking Teddybear to sell something on TV to children... This is not the Cuban cigar that I know. This is marketing kid's stuff, like Matchbox cars! Me, they won't get my cigar money... not on this shit they won't... I will buy a Punch marevas in a tube, but I won't buy this hyped, dolled up, 10 to an over-priced shiny boxed crap...! Buy 'em up people. And when they kill the Punch Punch, to sell them in a double banded 10x box, 1RG larger, and 10mm shorter, remember, you heard the clarion call long ago. If it were up to me, I would tell you all to buy the PP in a cab of 50 and let this crap rot on a vendors shelf... -the Pig 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGC Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 Sadly enough, an increasing number of smokers are drawn in by marketing and packaging. The bling is perceived as indicators of a superior product (all years from being revealed as junk or treasure). Does 2-tone leather seats and new emblems improve the performance of a car? On the bright side, the way things are going, I will only have to decide between a handful of cigars if I choose to purchase. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarveyBoulevard Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 I bet you guys all walked up hill in the snow to school...and back home. Aahhhh, the good ole' days. I kid, I kid... ?? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
in0gravity Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 15 minutes ago, HarveyBoulevard said: I bet you guys all walked up hill in the snow to school...and back home. Aahhhh, the good ole' days. I kid, I kid... ?? you forgot barefooted 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PigFish Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 16 minutes ago, HarveyBoulevard said: I bet you guys all walked up hill in the snow to school...and back home. Aahhhh, the good ole' days. I kid, I kid... ?? ... play the ball, not the man!!! -LOL ... and yes, I did walk to school, you wanna' make something of it??? -LOL -the Pig 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarveyBoulevard Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 (edited) No. I love you guys. I just can't help poking a Pig and/or Fish once in a while. Edited February 4, 2017 by HarveyBoulevard Animal correctness :) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PigFish Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 ... now I an eff'n bear... Damn it man, that is over the line!!! -the PIG 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGC Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 Don't bears drool and stink really badly?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PigFish Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 24 minutes ago, HarveyBoulevard said: No. I love you guys. I just can't help poking a Pig and/or Fish once in a while. ... if the ball is made from a pig, this does represent a problem! The play the ball stuff, is sexist, racist, pigofobic... If Soros would write me a check, I would go out and protest... something! -the Pig 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLB03TT Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 Be careful Piggy- when Tabacuba completes this downward spiral and offers to put ones name, logo, or other affectation on Mahogany 10 ct. boxes of Custom, L.E., S.E. Mega Gordo 62RG donkey dick throat missles they're going to put razor blades in your sticks! Your long post above was epic- you're on the top of your game there. Don't disagree with a word of it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post NSXCIGAR Posted February 4, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted February 4, 2017 Clearly, things are changing. HSA is obviously seeing whatever their definition of success is with special releases that they can sell for 3 times the money of regular production and use up a bunch of surplus volado while rotating in new cigars every year that can never be pinned down on blend or quality consistency year-over-year. Regular production continues to see heavy losses. I thought the worst was over a few years ago, but I see now that every 47 RG or below has a target on it's back. I think modern cigar marketing (which is really the last 25 years of NC marketing) assumes that consumers as a whole buy what is essentially higher-priced limited-run special production with larger RGs, and a lot of it. Notice I said "consumers" and not "connoisseurs" because every connoisseur I know, and many here, including myself, generally prefer regular production, the old classics, and RGs under 50. Perhaps this would have been the result if Cuban cigar marketing had been controlled by a private entity sooner instead of in 2000 or if Cuban cigars had been privately produced this whole time. Perhaps Cubatabaco/HSA preserving vitolas assiduously for 40 years was central planning foolishness that no real modern cigar company CEO would have pursued. Perhaps we (the connoisseurs) were the accidental beneficiaries of poor decisions by communist central planners for decades. You can't really blame any company for focusing exclusively on their bottom line. But I do believe that if Cuban tobacco production were in totally private control, you'd see more options for those who prefer different cigars. Or not. I really don't know. Is there really any decent "regular production" NC cigar? It seems all the "good" NC cigars are new "lines" from the big brands. Always a new line, or special release. Regular production as we know it for Cuban cigars may simply be fading into the past as an outdated marketing approach. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planetary Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 Lots of great points here, and I will only add this: regular production would mean more to me if the flavor profiles for various marcas and individual cigars were more differentiated, and more consistent. I'm not in Piggy's "everything is the same!" [paraphrased!] camp by any means, but there are quite a few cases when things get blurry. To me. I'm sure people with more expert palates have a different view. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnS Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 1 minute ago, planetary said: Lots of great points here, and I will only add this: regular production would mean more to me if the flavor profiles for various marcas and individual cigars were more differentiated, and more consistent. Indeed, well said! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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