This article about Cuban cigars is pitiful

[TheLiquidGator]

http://www.businessinsider.com/cuban-cigars-are-overrated-2015-1

[MahDooRow]

Let people believe that CCs are "on the decline".  That just means more for those who know better.  

[ElPuro]

Different strokes for different folks. There ARE some great non-cc out there. In my view, it's best to keep an open mind on both. 

[DBNInc]

Ain'ters gonna ain't!

[RickHendeson]

Old article is old.

[Bohn007]

This is a dumb article written by someone that probably doesn't even smoke. And they quote Nat Sherman? How good have his cigars been in the last 15 years.... LOL "Still, if you really must have the taste of a Cuban-made cigar with 100% Cuban tobacco, there's only one place to get it: Cuba."- Has this guy never been to a LCDH store? 

[El Presidente]

Throw enough mud and some will stick. So they are hoping. 

If this is the strategy going forward by Divans/NC manufacturers, then they are selling themselves short. 

Nat's will sell Cubans alongside NC's before long. What will they say then? 

In the end the USA punter will determine what they like and what the price/purchase decision will be. 

We have been supplying select US retailers for years. Many of them are at the front of these type of articles. 

The consumer will decide. Not opinion pieces. I can understand their reasoning to try and buy some time while they are precluded from selling Cubans. 

[NSXCIGAR]

Old article that there is another thread on that I'm too lazy to search for but...

Apparently a purveyor of NC cigars who has a dog in the fight is the "expert" that decides CCs are inferior...right.

And this whole paragraph is a nonsensical contradiction:

Cuban cigars aren't highly regarded in countries apart from the US, where they've always been available. In fact, in places like Europe, the Middle East and Asia, Cubans are the most common cigar around. It's merely their rarity in the US that excites the US cigar smoker, says Herklots.

So Cuban cigars aren't highly regarded outside of the US, but yet they are the "most common cigars around"? Huh? So the rest of the world simply hasn't discovered the incredible and superior NCs yet? Have they not hit the shores? Yes, in places where NCs and CCs are equally as available CCs are still the most common cigar around. Could this possibly be because the consumer is currently choosing them over NCs and always has?

Business Insider frequently has some decent articles but this looks like a paid advertisement and is disappointing. Complete lack of journalism. Let's ask one dude who has a massive dog in the fight what he thinks about his market share currently protected from competition by the government. How about a phone call to Gerard Pere, JJ Fox, Gauntleys or Sautters--retailers who sell both NCs and CCs--and who talk to actual consumers daily ask what they think? Sheesh. Journalism really is dead.

[Smallclub]

1 hour ago, NSXCIGAR said:

 Journalism really is dead.

Absolutely. Internet killed journalism.

[Akela3rd]

Absolutely. Internet killed journalism.

But has given us dancing cats. LOL. They're so cute!

Sorry, lack of sleep. This article is definitely one that wouldn't have been given space outside the current political/economic paradigm. Read, filter, read, filter, repeat until you see the wood.

Ironically, given the right education this sort of thing could improve the general critical reasoning of people. My father bought a daily newspaper whose politics he disagreed with because he liked their crossword, When I asked him about this he told me he didn't read the paper, he interpreted it. He was a history teacher.

[Fugu]

So - all good then.

[Fugu]

13 hours ago, NSXCIGAR said:

How about a phone call to Gerard Pere, JJ Fox, Gauntleys or Sautters--retailers who sell both NCs and CCs--and who talk to actual consumers daily ask what they think? Sheesh. Journalism really is dead.

Actually, I was missing a quotation of Hansotia in this article.....

[laficion]

5 hours ago, NSXCIGAR said:

 

Cuban cigars aren't highly regarded in countries apart from the US, where they've always been available. In fact, in places like Europe, the Middle East and Asia, Cubans are the most common cigar around. It's merely their rarity in the US that excites the US cigar smoker, says Herklots.

 

Hi all,

Of course Nat Sherman will never sell Cuban cigars when the embargo Is over ???  As a European I say,"WHO IS HE FOOLING".

When will they tell the American peeple that all N.C.'s are looked at as the Dutch cigars were looked at some years ago. This article Is

what would be called,"Marketing B.S."  from a supporter of N.C. makers .

Guy

[irratebass]

So, a NC retailer is dismissing Cubans? Shocking, I believe David Garofalo of 2 guys smoke shop(cigarauthority.com) did the same thing, and even went to Cuba to make his point.....smh

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[TheMonk]

Old news, but still one I'm happy to read.

[clutch5150]

15 hours ago, El Presidente said:

Throw enough mud and some will stick. So they are hoping. 

If this is the strategy going forward by Divans/NC manufacturers, then they are selling themselves short. 

Nat's will sell Cubans alongside NC's before long. What will they say then? 

In the end the USA punter will determine what they like and what the price/purchase decision will be. 

We have been supplying select US retailers for years. Many of them are at the front of these type of articles. 

The consumer will decide. Not opinion pieces. I can understand their reasoning to try and buy some time while they are precluded from selling Cubans. 

What I've been saying to my local tobacco lounge who and others state "Cubans are over hyped, they suck" etc. My fear if somehow the QA does go down, I would hate to hear "I told you so".

[Bohn007]

4 hours ago, clutch5150 said:

What I've been saying to my local tobacco lounge who and others state "Cubans are over hyped, they suck" etc. My fear if somehow the QA does go down, I would hate to hear "I told you so".

I hope every person that smokes NC thinks that CC are not as good. All the more for us. 

[shlomo]

Why do others' opinions matter to you?

Smoke whatever you like, but stop being sheep who blindly follow, and decide for yourself.

[Blazer]

 I participate in a few other forums that represent my other interests and this statement inevitably comes up anytime someone asks for a cigar recommendation. Usually, its a fan of Black & Milds or Swisher Sweets dishing out the advice. I like both, I will always like both and my experience tells me that no one else's OPINIONS matter, except all of your's of course.

[Smallclub]

38 minutes ago, Blazer said:

 no one else's OPINIONS matter, except all of your's of course.

Except that this article has nothing related to “opinions”. It is more part of a (rather pathetic) attempt to defend some business interests.

[PigFish]

I don't take it personally. I understand cigars!

The NC makers, IMHO put out 100% garbage! They are soft, look nice, draw like straws and taste bad! Just my assessment...

On the other hand Cuban cigars are better. They are still highly flawed, they sell a lot of trash, have tons of issues with construction but are more to my liking.

Running down the Cuban cigar is not hard for me. Running down NC cigars is not hard for me either! The Cubans have killed a large number of superior cigars for inferior ones and the cigars appear to be becoming more like NC cigars in many ways. With that said, I frankly don't care if another party runs them down... They generally deserve all that they get.

Yet, they are still my cigar of choice and will remain that way until someone (or their own management) knocks them off the highest rock.

Cigar makers throwing stones at each other amuses me. I have no vested interest beyond the cigars I own an my own tastes. If one does not like what I smoke I could care less. I would think that others would feel the same about my opinion.

Someday I would like to see someone who is truly visionary about cigars have access to all the necessary raw materials to make really good cigars again. I can dream, can't I? Until then I will pick though the Cuban vitolas and try to match my tastes to what they make. Seeing that I likely have enough cigars to get me through the rest of my life, my interests in the future of the cigar is mostly academic... if not downright delusional!

Cheers all! -Piggy

[cigcars]

     * I've said it before and I'll emphasize it again...the very NC manufacturers running down Habanas no doubt own a good sizable stash of them at home in their private archives!  And of all manufacturers to refer to -- NAT SHERMANS!???? C'mon, gimme a break!  Not to say they're terrible cigars, but IMHO very terribly "ordinary" cigars, and absolutely NOTHING terribly special!  I have more regard for Gurkhas and Cuban Guantanameras than Nat Shermans. I was reading an article about counterfeit cigars some time back, but instead of talking about Cubans, they were referring to Arturo Fuente's Opus X's (okay, understandable), but then they added Cusano cigars to possibly counterfeited bunches -- Cusanos!!??? Really???