Hoyo de Monterrey from 1977


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Hi all,

thanks for approving my membership. I'm Spanish fella living in Finland and my father in law gave me something he had in the basement. It also has the stamp of "cubatabaco" in the back side. I'm asking for some info regarding it. Are they ok after so long time? Are they just a vintage piece?

I'll attach some pics.

Thanks for your help!

EnriqueFinland.

 

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I'm assuming not stored in a controlled humidity environment? I am also going to assume you don't have any experience with cigars?

Only way to know is to open them up. Anyone who knows about cigars will quickly be able to tell if they are still in good condition or not. You will not get many buyers for an item not stored correctly. If it's opened and by fluke of nature based on your natural climate conditions still in good condition then you may be able to get rid of them in the secondary. Be very careful how you do this though. You do not want to mislead anyone regarding how these were stored.

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As this is a tubed cigar, chances that they are just fine are good. There will at least have been only slow humidity swings (assuming temp has been rather stable in the basement). But of course still depending on storage conditions over such a long period. Are you asking for getting an idea of their value for selling, just out of interest? Otherwise, if you are actually planning to smoke them yourself, why not just open them and let us partake by posting pictures of the process... :thumbsup:

Great find and great first post. Welcome to the forum!

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Finland , Finland , Finland
The country where I want to be
Pony trekking or camping or just watch T.V.
Finland , Finland , Finland
It's the country for me

Monty Python - Finland Lyrics


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2 hours ago, Homer said:

Nice to have more Finnish people here. I think you should put those in to ziplock bags and let them be in 65% humidity for 1 year. Then try one.

Why exactly?

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Welcome to the forum.  I was the one who approved your membership, so you know you can trust me.  Send the box to me.  I'll check them out for you, and will send the box back to you.  :devil2:  I promise.  :innocent:

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21 minutes ago, stogieluver said:

Welcome to the forum.  I was the one who approved your membership, so you know you can trust me.  Send the box to me.  I'll check them out for you, and will send the box back to you.  :devil2:  I promise.  :innocent:

Hey no hazing the new guy!

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12 hours ago, Akela3rd said:

Finland , Finland , Finland
The country where I want to be
Pony trekking or camping or just watch T.V.
Finland , Finland , Finland
It's the country for me

Are you pining for the fjords?  :wink2:

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1 hour ago, Homer said:

Fugu what do you mean? 

Benefit of the doubt I believe he was questioning the bit about the 65% baggie for a year, not having more Finnish people about....

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In his 2003 magnum opus, 'An Illustrated Encylopaedia of Post Revolution Havana Cigars', Min Ron Nee regularly espouses the view that tubes provide slower, yet better, long-term aging for cigars. Similarly, Adriano Martinez Rius, who co-wrote MRN's aforementioned book, mentions the following in his 2010 book, 'The Great Book of the Habano' (El Gran Libro Del Habano), "The aluminium tube began to be used in his (Francisco Fonseca) factory with the purpose of preserving the taste of the Habano by isolating it from harsh weather and handling. At the same time, the aluminium tube made it possible to embellish the presentation of the Habano. Oftentimes, a small cedar sheet is placed inside the tube to help keep sensory qualities of the vitola for a longer period of time." (p.110)

I would therefore say, that in light of such views stated above, that the idea of placing these Hoyo de Monterrey tubo cigars in a ziplock-controlled environment of 65% relative humidity may not improve their condition beyond what they are now.

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Wow, so they worth to try at least. Thanks all for your replies. I thought that  maybe because of the aluminium the had a chance to last longer. My intention is not to sell them of course not as it was a present (it brings bad luck). I just wanted to have an Idea of their condition and their value to understand what did I get.

I'll try this weekend to give a try and see how they are. I'll keep you updated.

PS: I'm living in Finland but I'm from the most beautiful city in the world: Sevilla, Spain ;)

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12 hours ago, Jerocco said:

Diversity. And because Finnish people are lovely. 

 

6 hours ago, Jerocco said:

We all know what Fugu meant, but I teased out the part where it could have been misconstrued, mainly by those who English is not there first language. 

I knew some of you blokes would pick up on that. Considered to erase that bit for clarity - the last two sentences I mean.... :P

 

8 hours ago, Homer said:

Fugu what do you mean? 

 

4 hours ago, EnriqueFinland said:

Wow, so they worth to try at least. Thanks all for your replies. I thought that  maybe because of the aluminium the had a chance to last longer. My intention is not to sell them of course not as it was a present (it brings bad luck). I just wanted to have an Idea of their condition and their value to understand what did I get.

I'll try this weekend to give a try and see how they are. I'll keep you updated.

PS: I'm living in Finland but I'm from the most beautiful city in the world: Sevilla, Spain ;)

Well, on a serious note (and by the way, I like Finns, in particular when they are of Spanish descent... :D):

  • First and foremost, we don't know where Enrique's cigars are coming from, moisture-wise that is. So, there is no avail in putting them "blindly" to rest and conditioning for another year. The sticks may be dry, but they may as well be moist and green and done (which I don't suppose from the pristine look of the box, but looks can be deceiving as we all know...).
  • Secondly, 65%rH-storage might not provide Enrique his preferred tobacco moisture for smoking.

So, if Enrique is going to smoke them himself, as he just said (good decision!), I'd propose the following:

In order to get an idea of their current condition open and check them immediately. If they are ok, visually and sensorically (how do they smell?!), you can check their moisture content by taking four or five of them out of their tubes and placing them in a just-fitting ziplock, together with a decent hygrometer (should be calibrated 'preferably', so that it gives you more than just a ball-park figure). Keep @ around 20°C (but stable!) for a couple of hours and take a few readings until stabilized. That will give you an idea whether cigars are just fine, more at the dry end or perhaps over-humidified. Go from there and then - before actually trying one - decide whether they'd need some additional conditioning for a couple of weeks (outside of their tubes).
That would be my suggestion for the approach.

On a cautionanry note: Even if they are technically ok, they might still have been overaged and be bland. That you'll only know after smoking them. The Coronations is not a cigar which is particularly known for an exceptional aging potential. But you'll never know, and that depends very much on vintage and conditions. Still good for a pleasant surprise.

Looking forward to hearing more about these in the weeks to come!

 

4 hours ago, EnriqueFinland said:

PS: I'm living in Finland but I'm from the most beautiful city in the world: Sevilla, Spain ;)

And the cradle of the modern-day cigar!

 

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