Coolio Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 watto to 11 would be better. and surely steve smith at number 3 for the tests. Beg to differ Ken. Watson to 12 would be the best solution. Even then he'd struggle to take out the drinks due to a pulled heartledge. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnS Posted March 24, 2015 Author Share Posted March 24, 2015 Seems that way, however, after the rain delay South Africa have a big total which will make it hard on New Zealand if they lose early wickets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shikar Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 NZ slaughtering SA. Amazing batting. For now....let's see if they can sustain this. Regards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldy Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Wow just wow what a game between NZ and SA. Being Canadian I'm very new to cricket. Took an hour on the weekend to read up and learn a few basic rules of the game. Before the weekend, wouldn't know the difference from a corn field to a cricket field. At least I know now that LBW do not stand for a long boring week. Now I think I'm kinda hooked....at least on the ODI forum of cricket. One of the classiest thing I've read and heard was the post game interview by AB de Villiers on BBC's TMS commentary. Very very classy individual and I can only wish that more "professional" athlete, especially in North America, be 25% as classy as he was in a tough, painful defeat. I have a soft spot for NZ because of the All Blacks so for me go NZ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shikar Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 This is one match where there were no losers. Regards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Gargett Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 This is one match where there were no losers. Regards. the south africans might not feel that way. and agree re the comments about AB. great response in really tough situation. all class. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wabashcr Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 I've just done some reading on this D/L method used to adjust scores in the event of a weather delay. That's fascinating to me. I understand the purpose, and how statistically it makes sense, but the concept of adjusting a team's actual score based on weather delays is very difficult to grasp. I'd be especially disappointed to lose in a match where that came into play. Who's to say South Africa wouldn't have scored more than their adjusted total? And if NZ had fallen short, who's to say SA would have actually reached that adjusted total? Obviously everyone agrees on the rules ahead of time, and the system seems to work well enough. So no real room for complaints. But surely the players (especially on the losing side) would rather just play out the match? I understand it's "One Day" cricket, but in a world cup semifinal, they can't roll over into the following day to finish? Apparently even WC finals aren't immune to this either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnS Posted March 24, 2015 Author Share Posted March 24, 2015 It was a great game. The Duckworth/Lewis system takes into account projected scores if there are stoppages to play and is reliant upon wickets lost. It is based on the data of scores from previous one-day international matches and gets adjusted as more match scores are added periodically. That is why it is important to take early wickets in this type of game. South Africa didn't do so yesterday and New Zealand got over the line on the second-last ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Gargett Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 I've just done some reading on this D/L method used to adjust scores in the event of a weather delay. That's fascinating to me. I understand the purpose, and how statistically it makes sense, but the concept of adjusting a team's actual score based on weather delays is very difficult to grasp. I'd be especially disappointed to lose in a match where that came into play. Who's to say South Africa wouldn't have scored more than their adjusted total? And if NZ had fallen short, who's to say SA would have actually reached that adjusted total? Obviously everyone agrees on the rules ahead of time, and the system seems to work well enough. So no real room for complaints. But surely the players (especially on the losing side) would rather just play out the match? I understand it's "One Day" cricket, but in a world cup semifinal, they can't roll over into the following day to finish? Apparently even WC finals aren't immune to this either. this was always an issue for shorter forms of the game - which are all a bit hit and giggle anyway. but even though D/L i far from perfect, it has worked infinitely better than before. you could get situations where a side batted for 20 overs and lost no wickets even though perhaps not a lot of runs but then down comes rain and the side batting second can throw the bat at the ball and easily get the runs even though they may lose a heap of wickets. that was much more unfair. in fact, i have a feeling that it was such a weird one that got pakistan into the finals in 92 and they went on to win beating england (as a mate playing for queensland at the time said, it was the only day in australia's history where pretty much the entire nation went muslim!). there is no perfect way to deal with rain in shorter forms of cricket but the D/L system dos seem the fairest. and no, a one day game is never rolled over. in many ways, would be even more unfair. giving a side extra time to regroup. changes in the pitch. also the crowd dips out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shikar Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Aus vs India Should be a glorious match !! Aussie will have home advantage. India will carry a lot more viewership if it make the finals. Regards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Gargett Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 there is no perfect way to deal with rain in shorter forms of cricket but the D/L system dos seem the fairest. and no, a one day game is never rolled over. in many ways, would be even more unfair. giving a side extra time to regroup. changes in the pitch. also the crowd dips out. bit more on the duckworth lewis system from the guardian. South Africa’s record in the tournament, running back to the injustice of 1992. Richie Benaud’s rain rule left them needing 22 runs off one ball. Before the rains came, it had been 22 off 13. That very match led to the invention of the Duckworth/Lewis Method. Frank Duckworth was listening on the radio and heard Christopher Martin-Jenkins say “surely someone, somewhere could come up with something better.” Duckworth did. Eleven years later, Shaun Pollock’s inability to understand exactly how Duckworth’s method worked meant South Africa were knocked out of their own tournament for the want of a single run. Pollock told Mark Boucher that they needed to score 229 to qualify for the semi-finals. Boucher hit one ball for six and blocked the next. Tonight it is another D/L game. This time, South Africa’s innings is interrupted. They lose seven overs, and in the end New Zealand were set a target of 298 from 43. It felt a little like they’d got the better side of the bargain. South Africa had been heading for a total well above 300. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vortigan Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Anyone else in the northern hemisphere watching this second semi? Tough to call but I think Aus will cross the line.Just hope it's half as entertaining as the other night! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Gargett Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 as an aussie, don't care if it is the most boring game ever as long as we win. solid start but a long long way to go. and if we lose, 100% behind the indians for the final. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnS Posted March 26, 2015 Author Share Posted March 26, 2015 as an aussie, don't care if it is the most boring game ever as long as we win. solid start but a long long way to go. and if we lose, 100% behind the indians for the final. Same here...but my feelings are due to years of All Black Rugby humiliation! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coolio Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Same here...but my feelings are due to years of All Black Rugby humiliation! I guess as a Victorian I don't have the same anti Kiwi sport sentiment! If we lose today, I would far rather see the Kiwi's get up. Can you imagine how unbearably arrogant the BCCI would become if they win the WC? Not that they're not unbearable at the moment. Steve Smith has really come of age this summer. He will be a shoe in for 2015 ICC cricketer of the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Gargett Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 I guess as a Victorian I don't have the same anti Kiwi sport sentiment! If we lose today, I would far rather see the Kiwi's get up. Can you imagine how unbearably arrogant the BCCI would become if they win the WC? yes, about 1% of the unbearability of the kiwis if they won. as for smith, brilliant innings. class above. must bat three in tests. that said, still to play an awful lot of cricket before he is annointed for anything for 2015 . haddin just dropped a chance. might be very costly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnS Posted March 26, 2015 Author Share Posted March 26, 2015 With Dhoni's run out by Glenn Maxwell's direct hit, things look bleak for India...barring a miracle! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnS Posted March 26, 2015 Author Share Posted March 26, 2015 Australia defeat India in the second semi-final by 95 runs to proceed to the World Cup final against New Zealand at the MCG this coming Sunday. http://www.espncricinfo.com/icc-cricket-world-cup-2015/content/story/855539.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shikar Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Congrats my Aussie BOTLs :-) Regards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vortigan Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 IMHO India were a beaten side long before the physical end of that game and,frankly,I think they lay down in front of Australia just a bit.Australia sometimes seem to exercise some sort of voodoo on their opposition that has them never really believing deep down that they can beat them (the earlier tournament defeat to NZ notwithstanding) I think that's what happened here,India looked a bit like rabbits caught in headlights to me. As long as NZ have got the stomach for a scrap we might get a game on Sunday! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Hayes Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 yes, about 1% of the unbearability of the kiwis if they won. as for smith, brilliant innings. class above. must bat three in tests. that said, still to play an awful lot of cricket before he is annointed for anything for 2015 . haddin just dropped a chance. might be very costly. The #3 spot in tests is a real conundrum I reckon. I would love to see Smith at 4 but we don't seem to have another option that I can see. I still reckon Smith is suspect on the rising ball going away to slips. I reckon they were trying to turn Shaun Marsh into the #3 in tests because he is a left hander, thus nullifying the outswing from a right hander like Jimmy Anderson. But Marsh seems suspect flat batting to gully. Short form specialists like Finch don't seem to have taken the next step in combating early swing. So, I guess it's time for Smith. I hope he gets the gig and bats well in some difficult circumstances. It would solve the Watson problem once and for all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Gargett Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 smith 3, clarke 4. following rogers and warner. think rogers has done enough to hold his spot but coming to an end. 5 and 6 more issues. s marsh and burns would be great and have the future in mind. and get rid of watto. haddin presumably another series. lyon the spinner, though yet to be completely convinced. 3 quicks from johnson, harris, starc, hazelwood, cummins, siddle, patterson, possibly even m marsh as an all rounder. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnS Posted March 27, 2015 Author Share Posted March 27, 2015 Indian commentator Harsha Boghle is one of my favourite thinkers on the game due to his objectivity. He twitted after India's loss in the semi-finals that India did as well as they could, that there was no shame in losing to a better side, and that he couldn't believe why the Indian Media viewed the loss as shameful. Contrast this measured view to Indian fan reactions in the article below... http://www.news.com.au/sport/cricket/indian-fans-insane-reaction-to-exiting-the-world-cup/story-fnqpo3wn-1227280897795 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vortigan Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Bloody hell!! Let's hope there isn't another Andrés Escobar (RIP) waiting to happen there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnS Posted March 28, 2015 Author Share Posted March 28, 2015 Bloody hell!! Let's hope there isn't another Andrés Escobar (RIP) waiting to happen there! Well, Indians, like Colombians, treat their national sport like a religion (still, I do hope there is no reaction against the players). By the way, I think Thursday was a national holiday in India, with reports of 40% attendance in schools and 30% work attendance in government businesses. http://www.pressreader.com/india/deccan-chronicle/20150327/281539404454907/TextView Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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